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Oh wait was he being sarcastic? I thought he meant the warmahordes minis.were mercedes to GWs Honda...

Dreamforge games will.be the pinnacle of the hobby soon, of that I am certain.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Firstborn you have too much faith in the minis. The last few waves of min .releases have been every bit as bad and uninspired as the leaked photos, though there were a couple decent releases hidden.in there.

If you are referring to the Chaos Space Marine miniatures, you are mistaken.

The Heldrake, Chosen, new Lord, new Sorcerer, Raptors, and Cultists were all killer. The Heldrake is one of my favorite models in the game.
The only models in the entire release that I don't care for model or rules wise are the mutilators. Not enough for me to start bitching and complaining.

I wouldn't leave for that WH\Hordes crap if PP gave me a free, pro-painted army.

The Dark Vengeance Chosen, Lord, and Cultists were great, too bad none are multipose plastics or available in a format other than that set... the rest of the minis were pretty meh, the heldrake s pretty meh otherwise, i call it the iron butterfly., if it had a longer tail or was stretched out a bit more itd have been great.

Does the front of the skull cannon remind anyone else of this?

The Heralds look great, including the Tzeentch Herald on Chariot, but the rest of these models are a bit of a miss for me.

While I like what they're going for with the Flamer chariot and know it will look great when painted by the truly skilled, I generally think that flames, smoke, and similar "effects" should be left off models simply because these effects are very difficult for most people to make look good. Have I seen these effects used well? Definitely. But they require a really high level of control, technique, and attention to detail to really ace and for that reason they make painting a model much more difficult than it would be otherwise. I'd prefer such effects be optional rather than a core element of the model.

The Plague Drones would be awesome without riders, but unfortunately the riders look very silly. Hopefully they will be easy to remove.

I can see how maybe the seaweed chariot might be better with a different paintjob, but the elephant flies? No. Even without the riders.

Pretty much everything GW has put out since Dark Vengeance has been mediocre at best, except for the Dark Angel Deathwing kit.

"Pinnacle of the wargaming hobby" indeed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Firstborn wrote:
... 40K is the pinnacle of the wargaming hobby.

...

Or go play WH\Hordes. The models and game system over there are spectacular! (like comparing a Honda to a Mercedes).

Are you for real? If so, then this might just be the funniest post of the year. And you were the first person to mention Warmahordes. Insecure/projecting much?

Where is your weekly post trying to be funny about "GW Skulls". I haven't seen it yet, but I am sure it is coming.

Why don't you go back to playing DOW or WH\Hordes, instead of bitching about GW's models?

You want me to be blunt, I will: WH\Hordes is a "poor man's" 40K. Quite frankly, I think it is poop.

That Slaanesh herald kind of looks familiar.

I'm hoping that with the removal of demonic assault we will getkind of demon horde feel to them....


Oh excited i am!!!

Fast demon horde..... To much wish listing???

well, i like PP's aesthetic a lot...
i also like a lot of what GW does...
it doesn't have to be one against the other, since they are totally different...

i like the Herald of Khorne, and the Herald of Slannesh, from this release...
the rest are not doing it for me, though i like that the Herald of Nurgle is plastic...

what i don't like, is Finecast and restic, so neither company gets my money at the moment, except for metals and plastics...
hopefully the two Heralds listed as Finecast are really plastic...
why do one in plastic, and not the other two???
strange...

cheers
jah

 Ehsteve wrote:
[Go look up the sheer wall of editorial mistakes in the $83, 104 page rulebook, alongside recycled artwork in the Dark Angels Codex.

Not just Artwork, also fluff ( The Asmodai piece is from 2nd Edition)

Plus some of the new artwork was hideous. Being in colour actually works against it.

Yeah, I have played it. I would rather remove a hemroid with a heated pair of tongs than go thru it any further.

The models are meh, I hate the way the game plays, the steampunk background doesn't do it for me, and I don't like PP for several reasons. It is an inferior game to 40K on many different levels. You realistically can't even compare the 2 systems.

WH\Hordes fans that try to tell you the system is supremely balanced, are snorting pewter lines. The game is no more balanced than 40K, in fact, I would argue with the extreme complexity\abilities of all the different units,
is more unbalanced.

EDITED: I noticed you asked me about PP "Games" in general. While I think WM\Hordes is a waste of time (you are better off sticking with 40K), I do own and love Monsterpocalypse. In fact, I have virtually every Monsterpocalypse miniature ever made.
PP has treated the game in the same manner GW has treated it's specialist games. But it is an awesome game, and I will never sell it.

Firstborn: This is completely uncalled for. There was no mention of Privateer Press until you brought it up. If I did not know any better I would say you are purposely trying to turn this thread into a flame-war. This is a thread for people to discuss the News and Rumors in regards to the Chaos Daemons eventual release. If you do not cease and desist and return to topic I will contact a moderator.

That said; please tell me why you think the models are good? What is positive about them? Argue your points logically and people will tend to follow. Be courteous though and remember that others will differ in their opinion. This is normal.

You guys realize you can play both Warmahordes and 40K, if you so wish? I have a feeling that come the summer price hikes over at GW, the Exodus will continue, however.

On topic: Most of these are 'meh'. None of them are awesome. I was seriously taken aback when I saw models like the Necrosphinx/Warsphinx, the Flyrant and the whole line of DE.

These just seem like another Deamon wave. Ho hum.

Nightwolf829 wrote:
That said; please tell me why you think the models are good? What is positive about them? Argue your points logically and people will tend to follow. Be courteous though and remember that others will differ in their opinion. This is normal.

The Skull Cannon is obviously the best, because it has a piranha plant!

I am not going to tolerate the GW bitching and complaining. If you don't like GW products\company, as I said, GTFO. You can go complain about GW in a rant forum or somewhere else.

How dare people voice dissenting opinions about a wargames company on a wargames forum! The nerve! The gall! The gumption!

Firstborn wrote:
The models: Honestly, I don't know yet. Because, those pictures don't do them justice. They are extremely small and were captured with poor lighting. I want to see some full size pictures and look at the range as a whole.
My "sense", I love the new Khorne Chariots and all of the heralds. I think they are awesome. The nurgle fly riders and Khorne cannon I am "neutral" on, until I can see some better pictures\angles.

The pictures were captured in poor lighting? From the company's own marketing department? The ones that are supposed to make them appear from the best angle and best light to promote sales? These are probably the best you'll get, size won't really help cover up those flaws.

 Savageconvoy wrote:

Firstborn wrote:
The models: Honestly, I don't know yet. Because, those pictures don't do them justice. They are extremely small and were captured with poor lighting. I want to see some full size pictures and look at the range as a whole.
My "sense", I love the new Khorne Chariots and all of the heralds. I think they are awesome. The nurgle fly riders and Khorne cannon I am "neutral" on, until I can see some better pictures\angles.

The pictures were captured in poor lighting? From the company's own marketing department? The ones that are supposed to make them appear from the best angle and best light to promote sales? These are probably the best you'll get, size won't really help cover up those flaws.

Harharharhar Those little JPEGS are the best we will get? Are you kidding me?

You can't even really see the nurgle fly riders in those pictures. Give me a break.

Hm, some of the models look ok, and some look uninspired, and some I just pray will look compleatly different in real life (as many of the "really bad stuff" lately have, IMO).

But these models look like the new rules will be interresting. The throne of blood looks immovable and perhaps ad some great perks to Letters instead of OP the actual unit stats/wargear (it might have Epidemus qualities even, just think about it). Plague jetbikes will most likely be useful (as most new jetbikes lately are).

And I wonder, can the front head of the skull cannon fire anything; if not, its a really stupid model.

Had another look at the models to see if i can find anything nice to say about them,

Slaanesh herald/Cheerleader - Awful pose. stupid hair. Sculpt is otherwise competent. 2 Dimensional and flat
Khorne Herald -Ok Pose. Again very flat. Will disappear in a unit.
Nurgle Herald - Fails to be better than the champion out of the plastic unit. Would need to see better angles but seems to be better of the bunch of characters
Tzeenctch Chariot - Its ok. Seems to work on most levels. The picture is too small to make out much but there seems to be something wrong with the rider.
Tzeentch Kelpmobile - Awful. bad paint Fairly sure that model is unsalvagable. Just really horrible.
Khorne Blood throne - The best thing i can say about it is it looks quirky in a RT kind of way. Very awkward, will need to see better pics but looks porr.
Khorne Cannon - More of the same. Quirky and mental but doesnt really scream carnage and blood to me.
Nurgle plague drones. - Beyond redemption, all they had to do was copy Adrian Smiths artwork and if might have been ok. The riders look ridiculous and the mounts are blocky and horrifically designed. They actually look like Bagpipes.

Not good enough. I hope the mooted plastic GD are better.

Firstborn wrote:


My opinion; 40K is where it is at.

And that is your opinion. Not a fact, like the way you are treating it so.

Remember Opinion doesnt = fact! :-D

Firstborn wrote:


Harharharhar Those little JPEGS are the best we will get? Are you kidding me?

You can't even really see the nurgle fly riders in those pictures. Give me a break.

I'm not sure how you're having trouble seeing the pictures. Yes they are small, but the human eye is pretty good at understanding even low resolution images. The pictures are small, but still show enough to know the model is bad. Are you honestly defending the silly look of the kelp-wagon, the khorne big wheel, or the... Well I can't think of anything for the flies. They just look bad. When bigger pictures pop up, it'll just be the same ugly on a larger scale.

I don't mind the Slaanesh herald, although as others have pointed out she probably won't stand out on the tabletop as much as she probably should.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Dark Vengeance Chosen, Lord, and Cultists were great,

Indeed, I finally picked up one of those Lords on ebay the other day. It's a triumph of the hobby, and I wish they could sustain those levels of creativity. I especially love the antlers\horns.

I am totally unimpressed with the slaanesh herald...

the khorne one looks boss, though.

What is this I don't even...???

Firstborn wrote:
Where is your weekly post trying to be funny about "GW Skulls". I haven't seen it yet, but I am sure it is coming.

Why don't you go back to playing DOW or WH\Hordes, instead of bitching about GW's models?

You want me to be blunt, I will: WH\Hordes is a "poor man's" 40K. Quite frankly, I think it is poop.

1. Kroot and Kyoto have the skull joke market covered. I leave it to them.
2. I don't play Warmahordes. I never have. The aesthetic never appealed that much to me. But really none of that matters, because the first (and only) person to bring up Warmahordes in this thread was you. That, to me, sounds like you've just got some half-arsed axe to grind against the game. I don't really like it, but you don't see me bringing it up every 10 seconds. And what have you got against Dawn of War (I haven't played it in about 2 years, and I've never played DoWII)?
3. Ok... great? What has this got to do with a seriously poor showing of the new Daemon releases?

You're... a very strange person. I actually don't think you're trolling. I believe that you believe all the silly nonsense you're spouting, and that's kinda scary.

And tragic.

@savageconvoy

Models have been much better in hand than presented with White Dwarf photos. The WD department is pretty horrible at taking pictures for their models. Been that way for 4 releases now (CSM, DA, WoC, and now Daemons). I'll reserve judgement until I see them in person or get better photos ala the GW site itself.

@firstborn

Dude, I love GW but you need to scale it back. Welcome to Dakka where it's cool to hate on GW. Just let it ride. And definitely don't start ripping on other games in a GW thread. It's petty and silly.

I'm not a fan of PP's aesthetic so I've never played the game. I do however have a ton of Sedition Wars stuff for jumping into that universe, enjoy a large collection of X-Wing miniatures, a Federated States fleet for Dystopian Wars, and will likely pick up some of the new Warzone models not to mention my giant walkers from Dream Forge. You can enjoy GW while enjoying other games. It's not all or nothing.

I like the new models, and in general everything I see people complaining about online they tend to look awesome in person. In general even the haters tend to like them once they are seen in person.

Now obviously there are exceptions but I would recommend holding off on solidifying opinions until some more detailed pictures are seen from different angles.

Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"

Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.

One thing I know for certain, though, is that I will be buying everything from the US/UK as normal

 Leth wrote:
Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"

Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.

Someone probably will take you up on that, but not me. I agree. It's not a race for 'most over the top statement of dislike'. If someone doesn't like them, cool. No worries. Say so. Doesn't have to include a debate on artistic or modelling merit if they don't like . Even just a "I know what I likes, and this isn't it."

As it happens, I'm not really liking what I've seen so far for this release. It just doesn't work for me, yet. I know I shouldn't expect Forgeworld Plague Drones, but that's kind of what I was thinking for those Plague riders.

Plastic Nurgle Herald is full of win!