Daemons of Chaos Rumours (Fantasy & 40k) - First post updated with release list, prices, and pics!

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**Swara**

pretre wrote:@Swara: They have It Will Not Die! And Very Bulky and Poisoned (4+), I believe.

CleverAntics wrote:Basically, a Beast of Nurgle unit that is unengaged can charge in the enemy's assault phase that assaulted ANY friendly unit of your's that is within 12", against that unit. So, you get a free charge in THEIR Assault Phase, and resolve the charge.

This goes for multiple other Beast units too, so if you have 2x within 12", they can both charge.

Thanks guys, my eyes aren't what they used to be.

That seems pretty awesome.. hopefully their point cost is competitive. Though that would mean buying more beasts of nurgle.. time to get some plague toads I think..

**CleverAntics**

Yep! If their point cost is reasonable - awesome that you can still take multiple - they seem 100x better than before. And they're Beasts now! But who DIDN'T see that coming? 4 Wounds is really rocking it too.

Also excited to see we have OPTIONS...can't wait for this.

**Swara**

CleverAntics wrote:
Yep! If their point cost is reasonable - awesome that you can still take multiple - they seem 100x better than before. And they're Beasts now! But who DIDN'T see that coming? 4 Wounds is really rocking it too.

Also excited to see we have OPTIONS...can't wait for this.

Me too, i've always wanted to used beasts, but they always suffered from the same problem as spawn.. they were just terrible.

**Leech**

I the cover of the 40K one more. Same thing with Chaos Marines and Chaos warriors the 40K cover was better. The fantasy ones seem a bit faded or something where the 40K ones have more intense colours.

One more thing, PLEASE WILL PEOPLE RESIZE THE IMAGES THEY POST, WE GET BIG SPERAD OUT THREADS AND HAVE WAIT FOR THE DOWNLOAD OTHERWISE.

**El-Torrminator**

Are my eyes playing up or have fantasy Bloodletters gained BS5 for some reason?

**blood reaper**

It looks like Plaguebearers will require a Herald for Feel no Pain from the look of the White Dwarf page. Unless the Plague Bearers have a 4+ save, this is a massive blow to Plaguebearers.

Also note what Matt says about a double 1 wiping out you're entire army....

*Sigh*

I'll go first

*Cocks gun towards head*

**CleverAntics**

Nope...they're BS5 for some reason.

**Hulksmash**

blood reaper wrote:
It looks like Plaguebearers will require a Herald for Feel no Pain from the look of the White Dwarf page. Unless the Plague Bearers have a 4+ save, this is a massive blow to Plaguebearers.

Not if they are only 10pts each. Not that they are just throwing it out there.

We know it's Kelly writing the book. He ripped CSM's down to bare bones and gave options to build them back up. I'd expect something similar here. I would toward now being a deploy normally style of army. Which has positives and negatives.

And as for the chariot I think it's the chariot that's bs5, not the bloodletters.

**blood reaper**

10 points each? Sounds fine then.

**CleverAntics**

Not if they are only 10pts each. Not that they are just throwing it out there.

We know it's Kelly writing the book. He ripped CSM's down to bare bones and gave options to build them back up. I'd expect something similar here. I would toward now being a deploy normally style of army. Which has positives and negatives.

And as for the chariot I think it's the chariot that's bs5, not the bloodletters.

Is what I'd assume as well. Nurgle without FnP...? I can't see it being taken away from Nurgle units, that would be completely absurd. I'd like to speculate that the 'Daemon of Nurgle' would have it as universal rule rather than allowing a Herald to grant it; I hope he just improves it.

Under Core, with the other three, Bloodletters are BS5.

**Hulksmash**

Not saying they are but if they are SnP, have plague swords (3+ poison), and just a 5++ at T5 I can see 10-12pts each. And we dont' know what a herald will cost so it's possible it'll be cheaper to include on with a FnP power than a full unit used to be, or equivelant costs.

Just throwing stuff out. I know nothing!!!!! And am still nervous and trying to make myself feel better

**Swara**

blood reaper wrote:
Also note what Matt says about a double 1 wiping out you're entire army....

*Sigh*

I'll go first

*Cocks gun towards head*

He said wipe your own army, which might just mean they hit themselves with whatever they are shooting with.

**-Shrike-**

The WD pages from Faeit say that the Nurgle Locus carried by the Herald gave FNP. So Daemon of Nurgle will not have FNP as standard.

**matphat**

I can't wait to see what they have done to Fiends.

**Mohoc**

matphat wrote:
I can't wait to see what they have done to Fiends.

And I am dreading to see what they did to my beloved Nurgle Army.

**Azreal13**

What a weird 24 hours. .

I've never played Daemons before, although I decided I wanted an army when I came back to 40k 2 years ago. I decided to start getting models together a few months ago, trusting Harry and Hastings to have the release date right.

Now I've gone from excitement, to utter disappointment, to cautious optimism to excitement again.

Can't wait for the Codex! Still not sure about the flies though..

**Evileyes**

Mohoc wrote:
matphat wrote:
I can't wait to see what they have done to Fiends.

And I am dreading to see what they did to my beloved Nurgle Army.

Originally, I was extremely excited. Now i'm really really worried. It allready seems the nurgle army will suffer horribly by the fact daemon princes are HQ's (Meaning you can't take, epidemius, great unclean one, and 3 princes in one force org)

**undertow**

Evileyes wrote:
Mohoc wrote:
matphat wrote:
I can't wait to see what they have done to Fiends.

And I am dreading to see what they did to my beloved Nurgle Army.

Originally, I was extremely excited. Now i'm really really worried. It allready seems the nurgle army will suffer horribly by the fact daemon princes are HQ's (Meaning you can't take, epidemius, great unclean one, and 3 princes in one force org)

I loved the Flying Circus build, and it looks like that's dead.

Leaving aside the unconfirmed changes, just what I've seen from the leaked WD pages has me very worried.

**Savageconvoy**

Not sure what makes people feel better about those flies. Flying they look just silly to me, the head was just the tip of the iceberg.

Honestly though, if they just modeled the fly on it's lets with a slightly smaller abdomen and wings extended, I think it would look from decent to very good. But currently it just looks odd due to the flies disproportionate body (in a cartoony way), the rider's awkward stance, and the... um... odd pertuberances from the mouth and rear.

Honestly now i'm very intrigued to hear more about these units. Describing the chariot as the best shooting unit in the army and yet very fragile. This very odd mechanic that makes your units disappear. Honestly I thought that we saw the last of the "Give one, take one" mentality of unit buffs when Necrons lost the phase out rule.

I'm very curious, because if the demonic instability is like what's speculated, then it means that the Deamons are balanced so that several units can still disappear and the army can hold it's ground. Time will tell.

**Mohoc**

undertow wrote:
Evileyes wrote:
Mohoc wrote:
matphat wrote:
I can't wait to see what they have done to Fiends.

And I am dreading to see what they did to my beloved Nurgle Army.

Originally, I was extremely excited. Now i'm really really worried. It allready seems the nurgle army will suffer horribly by the fact daemon princes are HQ's (Meaning you can't take, epidemius, great unclean one, and 3 princes in one force org)

I loved the Flying Circus build, and it looks like that's dead.

Leaving aside the unconfirmed changes, just what I've seen from the leaked WD pages has me very worried.

Well, if PBs lost FNP, they better dropped in point cost to about 10 points. Otherwise they will be way overpriced. I wonder how they nerfed Epi. I have the feeling he will only affect Daemons of Nurgle when the codex comes out.

**-Shrike-**

From Fundaemons.blogspot.com

GW is releasing limited edition Chaos Codexes and Army Books this weekend for presale. They will be $90 each USD and there will be 4 of each available, one dedicated to each of the Chaos Gods. Sounds cool if you have the money and a strong preference for a particular Chaos God.

However, an email from GW to resellers says, "will go up for pre-order on the Games Workshop website this weekend. because of the extremely limited nature of these itms we are expecting them to sell out this weekend. Please do not take preorders or prepayments for these products, [customers] best chance to secure one of these items is to visit the website and purchase it themselves."

I can also confirm that this list of items for sale otherwise is what has been posted elsewhere (all USD/CAN) and is for sale for delivery on March 2:

Codex - 49.50/59.50
Army Book - 49.50/59.50
Battle Magic - 11/13
Psychic Cards - 7.50/9
Burning Chariot of Tz - 40/50
Plague Drones (3) - 60/70
Blood Throne - 40/50
Herald of Nurgle - 25/30
Herald of Khorne - 22.25/30
Herald of Slaanesh - 22.25/30
Battalion/Battlefoce - 115/140
Limited Edition Codex - 90/110 (available in Khorne/Tz/Nurgle/Slaanesh)
Limited Edition Army Book - 90/110 (available in Khorne/Tz/Nurgle/Slaanesh)

**Savageconvoy**

Oh god. "Best chance is to purchase it from the website"

That's a great message to give retailers to tell their customers especially after the whole DFtS ordeal.

**Plokoone**

The last book was written by Ward and filled with Blanche's scribbles. Why are they doing it again?!

**-Shrike-**

It makes me wonder whether the artwork we have is actually for the Khorne Limited Edition version.

**Verd_Warr**

All of the unit entries I can make out have the Daemonic SR, but looks like only a couple of them have Daemonic Instability?

NM, the two with DI are from the codex, rest from WFB.

edited 'cause I looked closer.

**Swara**

When will the codex be for sale on their website? I have to say I have a bit of a thing for Nurgle, as long as its not JUST a different cover

**Experiment 626**

blood reaper wrote:

...Also note what Matt says about a double 1 wiping out you're entire army....

*Sigh*

I'll go first

*Cocks gun towards head*

Well, this fits perfectly with Ward's established Fantasy books pattern; WE's were brokenly OP ---> O&G's were brokenly underpowered to the point of being laughably bad ---> Daemons were so brokenly OP they had to blow-up the game itself and write a new edition!

Looks like it's time for our next 'uber underpowered book to keep things consistant!

**Chad Warden**

So daemonic upgrades are random now?

If double 1 wipes out your army I hope double 6 wipes out theirs.

**Slaanesh-Devotee**

I gotta say, that new angle on the Tzeentch Coral Chariot looks a lot better.

Still not really that great, but a hell of a lot better.

I really don't know what's going on with Daemons. I just want some fun allies for my CSM really, so I hope they are at least fun to use.

**Verd_Warr**

Swara wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
Also note what Matt says about a double 1 wiping out you're entire army....

*Sigh*

I'll go first

*Cocks gun towards head*

He said wipe your own army, which might just mean they hit themselves with whatever they are shooting with.

The context is rolling on the "Warp Storm Table." So, is that a psychic power, an army rule, a daemonic gift...?