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Is that D6 shots per Horror?

When you throw it to 4d6 that can be seriously scary depending upon that answer.

Deep Strike them down on something and just evaporate them off the board.

And of course Soul Grinders seem expensively fun. Much like my defilers :*(

GW did the grand swap ..."Here are some really broken units. Followed by, "We have a codex coming out that will nerf them and force you to buy another unit."

Well, looks like my wrack 'em and toast 'em Chaos/daemons list no longer works. (Used Pavaine to line up/squish together units and then toast with Baleflamers and Doom sirens).

I'm not so sure about how well daemon allies are going to work anymore. If damonettes are 9 points I've just saved a ton of points. Unless they lost rending in which case they get to sit on the shelves.

ALL Daemons of Slaanesh have rending.

 airmang wrote:
ALL Daemons of Slaanesh have rending.

Thats good to hear. I have 18 pretty ladies who just became a whole lot cheaper to field.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 airmang wrote:
ALL Daemons of Slaanesh have rending.

Thats good to hear. I have 18 pretty ladies who just became a whole lot cheaper to field.

They just run away like girly guardsmen and take wounds like they're still in 5th ed though...

I personally just gained a new USR, Hatred Kelly. It stacks with my I PVP IRL special rule.

This crap is a joke.

Khorne deliver this eldar loving puke into my hands and I'll handle the rest.

I mean seriously wtf!!??? I've been in this hobby for 18 years now, the blood thirster is the first model i ever saw, kharn the first model i bought. It's had it's ups and downs playing khorne armies, but this limey maggot had completely ruined the demon dex from where i sit.

Fire this twerp, and bring Pete Haines back...

 WarOne wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 airmang wrote:
ALL Daemons of Slaanesh have rending.

Thats good to hear. I have 18 pretty ladies who just became a whole lot cheaper to field.

They just run away like girly guardsmen and take wounds like they're still in 5th ed though...

Eh. They always took wounds like mad if people shot at 'em. That's why you don't run small squads.

 newbis wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 airmang wrote:
ALL Daemons of Slaanesh have rending.

Thats good to hear. I have 18 pretty ladies who just became a whole lot cheaper to field.

They just run away like girly guardsmen and take wounds like they're still in 5th ed though...

Eh. They always took wounds like mad if people shot at 'em. That's why you don't run small squads.

Hey, just like IG meatshields.

Anyone sense these cheaper point costs mean they want you to buy more models?

Trying to get Dakka karma here. Link to actual pictures of the army book (fantasy :( ) http://imgur.com/a/Oulir

Not my pictures btw, credit goes to Pingualoty from reddit.

 newbis wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 airmang wrote:
ALL Daemons of Slaanesh have rending.

Thats good to hear. I have 18 pretty ladies who just became a whole lot cheaper to field.

They just run away like girly guardsmen and take wounds like they're still in 5th ed though...

Eh. They always took wounds like mad if people shot at 'em. That's why you don't run small squads.

And get them safely into HTH as soon as possible. This is why dirge casters for everything that can take them in CSM.

 zachwho wrote:
I personally just gained a new USR, Hatred Kelly. It stacks with my I PVP IRL special rule.

This crap is a joke.

Khorne deliver this eldar loving puke into my hands and I'll handle the rest.

I mean seriously wtf!!??? I've been in this hobby for 18 years now, the blood thirster is the first model i ever saw, kharn the first model i bought. It's had it's ups and downs playing khorne armies, but this limey maggot had completely ruined the demon dex from where i sit.

Fire this twerp, and bring Pete Haines back...

Its always best to reserve rage until you can actually get a full look at the rules. No sense raising your blood pressure on something that turns out to be totally wrong. Once you play a few games and realize everything actually has gone to hell, then you go ahead and rage.

Rage now, ask questions later!!!

 zachwho wrote:
Rage now, ask questions later!!!

I asked questions all over the place, and every rumor mill says absolutely nothing about Blue Horrors being added back in. If they were going to be added back in, GW would have advertised it in the first wave with the other new units. Instead, we get flies and models for units that were already there in the first place.

Blue horrors are added on as a rule from the rumors I've heard, extra attacks when the horror dies

I'm not talking about blue horrors, I'm talking about the red ones, blood!!! Kill!!! Maim!!! Burn!!! All of that to Phil Kelly!! LOL

lots of Khorne worshipers here today...

Always so angry over the smallest of things.

THe new leaks are making me really glad imma going to just use my Daemons as well a meatsheild.

I can't say I'm happy with the changes to Slaanesh's units as I run Mono-slaanesh:

- Everyone except the KOS, Daemon Prince, and Heralds are -1 iniative.
- Daemonettes & Seekers: gained +1 WS, and +3" to run. But are - 1 initative, -1 attack, while losing offensive and defensive grenades.
Sure they're 5 pts less they lost 5 pts of rules! Noise marines should not have the same initative as a daemonette.
- KOS: gained +1 wound, +1 strength, and +1 WS; but lost her offensive and defensive grenades, along with access to Hit & Run, and Pavane.
- Fiends: gained +1 wound, but are -1 str, and lost Hit & Run. Their musk now grants a -1 LD bubble to enemy Psykers.
- +3" to run moves is no replacement for Hit & Run. The KOS needed to beast movement like WF.


I not quitting the Army or putting my models up on Ebay. But none of those unit changes were necessary. I've never met anyone who that Slaaneshi daemons were broken.

How are Plaguebearers not T5?
How are Bloodletters only S4?

This is kinda silly.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How are Plaguebearers not T5?
How are Bloodletters only S4?

This is kinda silly.

Why?

S4 is superhuman Strength...Space Marines are S4 so why is it crazy that Bloodletters are as well (they were S4 in the last codex as well).

T4, again is superhuman Toughness, and combined with Feel No Pain & a 5+ invulnerable save still represents a very tough base-level creature, especially considering that they're cheaper in points now.


Seems fine to me, personally.

I'll will wait to see the actual codex before passing judgment as some of the rules and units cost seem bizarre, though atm I am not liking what I am seeing.


Nerd Rage

Flamers that don't Flame anymore. ಠ_ಠ

I think if its true that Plague Bearers are T4 without FnP, then Phil Kelly needs to stop making codexs. Cool there are cheap, but I didn't take Plague Bearers because they were cheap, I took then because they were tough and didn't die in droves to shooting like all the other Daemon troops.
On the Fluff side it makes me quite sick that Nipple Power Armour dudes get FnP for being a tad angry yet Plague Bearers,lesser Daemons of Nurgle, don't. Even Zombies get FnP! I mean look at the model do you think they look like hey care about being shot up or stabbed?

Fateweaver & Epi nerfs make me sad.

Well there goes the idea of CSM joining Daemon units, sure we can't do it now but that of helped out each codex because as it stands they are both middle tier at best (Yes Helldrakes are good but 1 dimensional)
Daemonic Instability:
Units with this USR may not be joined by units without this USR. Unit passes all Fear, Pinning and Moral tests. If a Unit with this USR looses in Close Combat, it must test for Instability on 2D6.

 yakface wrote:


Why?

S4 is superhuman Strength...Space Marines are S4 so why is it crazy that Bloodletters are as well (they were S4 in the last codex as well).

T4, again is superhuman Toughness, and combined with Feel No Pain & a 5+ invulnerable save still represents a very tough base-level creature, especially considering that they're cheaper in points now.


Seems fine to me, personally.

Then why are Daemon Princes only Toughness 4?

 yakface wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How are Plaguebearers not T5?
How are Bloodletters only S4?

This is kinda silly.

Why?

S4 is superhuman Strength...Space Marines are S4 so why is it crazy that Bloodletters are as well (they were S4 in the last codex as well).

T4, again is superhuman Toughness, and combined with Feel No Pain & a 5+ invulnerable save still represents a very tough base-level creature, especially considering that they're cheaper in points now.


Seems fine to me, personally.

Plaguebearer's don't have Feel no Pain anymore (they need a Herald for that).

 Quarterdime wrote:

 yakface wrote:


Why?

S4 is superhuman Strength...Space Marines are S4 so why is it crazy that Bloodletters are as well (they were S4 in the last codex as well).

T4, again is superhuman Toughness, and combined with Feel No Pain & a 5+ invulnerable save still represents a very tough base-level creature, especially considering that they're cheaper in points now.


Seems fine to me, personally.

Then why are Daemon Princes only Toughness 4?

DPs are toughness 5 dude...

I do not mind unit stat or points changes at all, as they can be taken into account when making your armylist. The one thing i don't like is the warpfire table... What were they thinking? That throws all possibility to do well in competive play right out the window. It is basically there just to screw the daemon player. Either lose models or gain models (which means people will be carrying bucketloads of spare daemons with them just in case they generate new units. That kind of gameplay sucks. But then again GW makes more money by selling more models... Again they prove that they only want to sell more stuff to people.

The prices on the lesser daemons are incredibly low o.O Bloodletters going back to 10p would be major for any khorne army, even if they're only t3... The charts look like fun, but they could cost you a game that should normally be in the pocket

Haha S6 Bloodthirsters...

A shame that Hellblades aren't Power Weapons... Oh well, no need to buy new Bloodletters.

 Requiem wrote:
The prices on the lesser daemons are incredibly low o.O Bloodletters going back to 10p would be major for any khorne army, even if they're only t3... The charts look like fun, but they could cost you a game that should normally be in the pocket

Am I missing something? bloodletters not only lost 1 toughness, but also attacks? I mean attack 1? WTF

Im playing a khorne only and the 2 units that make up 80% of my army just got NERDED to hell if this is true. Toughness 4 Bloodcrushers? Screw the 3rd wound they get! For 45 points they are just a sad waste of points. Really.

Hell blades are AP3 and don't forget bloodletters have rage and can re-roll their charge distance.