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Me too! Since they sole the trophy from the Rams in '01!
Marshall Faulk is that you!?!
But on a serious note, I can't believe how spoiled I/Boston sport fans have been the last 12 years. Patriots refuse to lose, bruins won the cup, Red Sox got 2 after almost 100 years of never winning, and even the celtics won a championship!!!
Now the patriots are going to their 7th AFCC in 12 years under Brady/Belichick. With a shot of having gone to an average of every other Super Bowl the last 12 years as well. I get to watch the greatest QB ever to play coached by one of the best coaches ever, the list just goes on and on.
Me too! Since they sole the trophy from the Rams in '01!
Marshall Faulk is that you!?!
But on a serious note, I can't believe how spoiled I/Boston sport fans have been the last 12 years. Patriots refuse to lose, bruins won the cup, Red Sox got 2 after almost 100 years of never winning, and even the celtics won a championship!!!
Now the patriots are going to their 7th AFCC in 12 years under Brady/Belichick. With a shot of having gone to an average of every other Super Bowl the last 12 years as well. I get to watch the greatest QB ever to play coached by one of the best coaches ever, the list just goes on and on.
LOL...
Perhaps the greatest multi-back EVAR! Friggin awesome to witnessed the "Greatest Show on Turf". Only contention from that '01 Superbowl was how the Pats corner got away with blatant "fondling" of the Rams recievers.
Boston sports has been spoiled lately... I just want the NFC team to win the Super Bowl.
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Me too! Since they sole the trophy from the Rams in '01!
Marshall Faulk is that you!?!
But on a serious note, I can't believe how spoiled I/Boston sport fans have been the last 12 years. Patriots refuse to lose, bruins won the cup, Red Sox got 2 after almost 100 years of never winning, and even the celtics won a championship!!!
Now the patriots are going to their 7th AFCC in 12 years under Brady/Belichick. With a shot of having gone to an average of every other Super Bowl the last 12 years as well. I get to watch the greatest QB ever to play coached by one of the best coaches ever, the list just goes on and on.
LOL...
Perhaps the greatest multi-back EVAR! Friggin awesome to witnessed the "Greatest Show on Turf". Only contention from that '01 Superbowl was how the Pats corner got away with blatant "fondling" of the Rams recievers.
Boston sports has been spoiled lately... I just want the NFC team to win the Super Bowl.
Marshall Faulk was amazing on the colts and rams.
And yes the pats DBS and LBS mauled the rams in that game. Thankfully everything they did was 100% legal at the times and you gotta be prepared for it. Outside of Warner the rams had no balls.
Edit:and piston I'm really glad your broncos took the ravens 80 minutes. They are gonna be beat to crap for a beating by the pats.
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Me too! Since they sole the trophy from the Rams in '01!
Marshall Faulk is that you!?!
But on a serious note, I can't believe how spoiled I/Boston sport fans have been the last 12 years. Patriots refuse to lose, bruins won the cup, Red Sox got 2 after almost 100 years of never winning, and even the celtics won a championship!!!
Now the patriots are going to their 7th AFCC in 12 years under Brady/Belichick. With a shot of having gone to an average of every other Super Bowl the last 12 years as well. I get to watch the greatest QB ever to play coached by one of the best coaches ever, the list just goes on and on.
LOL...
Perhaps the greatest multi-back EVAR! Friggin awesome to witnessed the "Greatest Show on Turf". Only contention from that '01 Superbowl was how the Pats corner got away with blatant "fondling" of the Rams recievers.
Boston sports has been spoiled lately... I just want the NFC team to win the Super Bowl.
Marshall Faulk was amazing on the colts and rams.
And yes the pats DBS and LBS mauled the rams in that game. Thankfully everything they did was 100% legal at the times and you gotta be prepared for it. Outside of Warner the rams had no balls.
Edit:and piston I'm really glad your broncos took the ravens 80 minutes. They are gonna be beat to crap for a beating by the pats.
It's not like this is hockey where one team has had a week of rest vs another team that played a long bloody 7 games series.
It was an additional 15 and some change minutes to a game in a league where they do this for 17 weeks.
If anything, it works in the Ravens favor being battle tested, seems to have been the trend in the NFL as of late.
Me too! Since they sole the trophy from the Rams in '01!
Marshall Faulk is that you!?!
But on a serious note, I can't believe how spoiled I/Boston sport fans have been the last 12 years. Patriots refuse to lose, bruins won the cup, Red Sox got 2 after almost 100 years of never winning, and even the celtics won a championship!!!
Now the patriots are going to their 7th AFCC in 12 years under Brady/Belichick. With a shot of having gone to an average of every other Super Bowl the last 12 years as well. I get to watch the greatest QB ever to play coached by one of the best coaches ever, the list just goes on and on.
I have a question for you, what's Bill's record without Tom Brady?
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Flacco has done something no other QB in NFL history has....
He has won a playoff game in each of his first five years as a starter.
Even Brady didn't do that.
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helgrenze wrote: Flacco has done something no other QB in NFL history has....
He has won a playoff game in each of his first five years as a starter.
Even Brady didn't do that.
No Brady didn't do that. He only won 3 SB.
And alf Belichicks record is 1-1 without Brady in the playoffs, and like 500 as well in the regular season not sure entirely what his record was with the browns.. What does that matter? They're record together is what is getting them into the hall of fame.
Also too piston yah it sort of is. This is a game of simulated car crashed and the ravens got old bones that have been rattled for longer than a young and hungry pats team. The pats have also OWNED the ravens historically. 2 losses in 9 meetings?
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Looks like Gronk is out til next year. Given he is Brady's "go to" guy, this could affect the game with Balti....
Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
helgrenze wrote: Flacco has done something no other QB in NFL history has....
He has won a playoff game in each of his first five years as a starter.
Even Brady didn't do that.
No Brady didn't do that. He only won 3 SB.
And alf Belichicks record is 1-1 without Brady in the playoffs, and like 500 as well in the regular season not sure entirely what his record was with the browns.. What does that matter? They're record together is what is getting them into the hall of fame.
Billy's record in Cleveland is 37 and 45 (taking into account his 1 post season win and 1 post season loss in the ole 216. His record in New England is 5 and 11 in 2000, and they lost the season opener in 2001 while Bledsoe was QB, he gets injured and Brady becomes the starter. From there yes, the patriots have done amazingly well with their "dominance" of the post season, only missing 3 times since Belichick has taken over as head coach. But I'm more inclined to give Brady the better bit than Belichick. Is he a good coach? yes, but one of the greatest? Highly Doubtful. I'd love to see what happens once Tom retires.
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Patriots have also had one of the easier divisions to get out of,
the Bills had their heyday in the 90s with those 4 SB appearances in a row, and haven't had a winning season since 2004 (9-7)
the Jets got to the AFC championship in Sanchez's first two seasons but he's regressed since then as has the team since as a whole
the Dolphins were great with coach Shula and Dan Marino but haven't really since either (best Season since 2010 when they were also 7-9)
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helgrenze wrote: Flacco has done something no other QB in NFL history has....
He has won a playoff game in each of his first five years as a starter.
Even Brady didn't do that.
No Brady didn't do that. He only won 3 SB.
And alf Belichicks record is 1-1 without Brady in the playoffs, and like 500 as well in the regular season not sure entirely what his record was with the browns.. What does that matter? They're record together is what is getting them into the hall of fame.
Billy's record in Cleveland is 37 and 45 (taking into account his 1 post season win and 1 post season loss in the ole 216. His record in New England is 5 and 11 in 2000, and they lost the season opener in 2001 while Bledsoe was QB, he gets injured and Brady becomes the starter. From there yes, the patriots have done amazingly well with their "dominance" of the post season, only missing 3 times since Belichick has taken over as head coach. But I'm more inclined to give Brady the better bit than Belichick. Is he a good coach? yes, but one of the greatest? Highly Doubtful. I'd love to see what happens once Tom retires.
Billy has on of the highest win % of any coach that are widely considered the best, and we know what he's gonna do once Brady retires. Go 11-5 with a backup QB... And be the first team in 25 years to miss the playoff with that record DOH!
Edit:And hilaine you play the games on your schedule. They can't magically move to a tougher division so that means nothing. Do you blame the colts from coming out of the pitiful afc south for so many years? Why havent Baltimore and the steelers one more superbowls coming out of arguably the toughest division over the last few years or any other team.
Look I can understand people not agreeing with what I'm saying, but the proofs in the pudding. The patriots over the last 12 years have put up numbers and wins at a pace no one in history has...
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I know that it's just it gives 6 easier games, the Brady/Bilichick combo has been pretty dominant in the AFC
And they still beat good teams like the Texans but did lose to Baltimore in the regular season.
Brady's success also helps my personal theory of QBs starting as a backup enhances their abilities than if they started straight away, provided they backed up a solid enough QB. Other QBs in this catergory being Aaron Rodgers (Brett Farve) Eli Manning (Kurt Warner) Tom Brady (Drew Bledsoe)
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Chancetragedy wrote:Billy has on of the highest win % of any coach that are widely considered the best, and we know what he's gonna do once Brady retires. Go 11-5 with a backup QB... And be the first team in 25 years to miss the playoff with that record DOH!
Edit:And hilaine you play the games on your schedule. They can't magically move to a tougher division so that means nothing. Do you blame the colts from coming out of the pitiful afc south for so many years? Why havent Baltimore and the steelers one more superbowls coming out of arguably the toughest division over the last few years or any other team.
Look I can understand people not agreeing with what I'm saying, but the proofs in the pudding. The patriots over the last 12 years have put up numbers and wins at a pace no one in history has...
I'm not arguing that Belichick has great stats, but you have to look at his stats when Brady is not on the field. Brady is great QB, and can do wonders on the field with very little to work worth. 2008 was the last time Brady was majorly injured if I remember correctly. The patriots went 11 and 5 with a backup quarterback and missed the playoffs. Is that a winning record? Feth yeah it is, but again look, no playoff spot for the Patriots without Brady. Belichick = Good Coach, Brady = Great QB, Belichick + Brady = Damn good combination.
The Steelers make plenty of Super Bowl games, and have 6 wins, twice the number of New England, with three of those happening in the past decade, so on that front they're even on that front, they also missed 3 playoffs since 2004, and 5 times since 2000. And while the Steelers are just as dominant in the post season as the Patriots, they're old and aging. Many of their players have been playing for at least 7 years. In the AFC north, that's a long time. It's a wonder that Ray Lewis is playing as well as he has, considering his long career with Baltimore. The Ravens I don't consider as elite as the Steelers, and if you want to know why? Look at their fall from grace this season. Battling the Texans for that #1 spot and they just crumpled, but managed to stay in because everyone else was doing just as poorly, and did better against their division rivals.
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You can't pick and choose stats alf. You can't say Belichick without Brady. You take the entire sum. If you go down that road I can rip to shreds any and every single coach you can argue for.
Take the sum of the parts in GOAT discussions.
Picking and choosing stats is rediculous, what would Walsh be without Montana and rice? What would Lombardi be without Starr, what would Shula be without Unitas and Marino? Landry without Unitas? Brown without graham or brown. Come on man.
Chancetragedy wrote: You can't pick and choose stats alf. You can't say Belichick without Brady. You take the entire sum. If you go down that road I can rip to shreds any and every single coach you can argue for.
Take the sum of the parts in GOAT discussions.
Picking and choosing stats is rediculous, what would Walsh be without Montana and rice? What would Lombardi be without Starr, what would Shula be without Unitas and Marino? Landry without Unitas? Brown without graham or brown. Come on man.
Picking out stats would be if I said, well on September 24th, 2008, the patriots lost without Brady, see look my point has been made. Besides, you're the one that said that without Brady, Belichick would probably go 11 and 5 with a backup QB and still miss the playoffs, you went even so far as to say that he would be the first guy within the past 25 years to do so. I simply went back into Belichick's season to season wins, looking for a time when Brady was injured. I won't lie, I was specifically looking for a 4 week period or so where Brady was out to compare their win/loss record with a similar time period where he was in. Luckily for me, I found an ENTIRE season that was missing Brady that fit your predictions. Was it a winning season? yes, but did they make it to the playoffs? No, they didn't make it, even though they had a worse record the following year and made it into the playoffs.
Yes, Belichick will most likely be let into the Hall of Fame because of his 12+ years with New England, but just like no one will ever mention Ray Lewis killing a guy when he gets into the Hall of Fame, Bill Belichick will ONLY be remembered for his winning years in New England with the awesomeness that is Tom Brady, and not with his six crap years in Cleveland. I'm merely saying that Belichick is a good coach, but not Greatest of All Time. I'll go out and say that Bill Walsh is a good coach as well, again not GOAT, considering that Joe Montana was not a starting QB for the 49ers until 1981, and their record reflects that during the Walsh years. Yes 1982 was a bad year for Joe, but his season stats were amazing considering that there were only 9 games. From 1981 (when Montana started) to 1988 when Walsh left, the 49ers had only 1 losing season, and that was the only time they failed to make it to the playoffs.
Bart Starr was also a backup quarter back taking over full time during Lombardi's first year, and they only failed to reach the playoffs 3 times while Vince was coach at Green Bay, and non of those seasons were losing seasons. So while it might have been a combination of Lombardi and Starr, Lombardi went to show he could win elsewhere with his single season at Washington where he went 7-5-2 and came in 2nd place. Albeit I don't know much of his tenure in Washington. Lombardi I would say is probably the Greatest of All Time, but who am I? Just some average joe.
All I'm saying is that without Brady, Belichick is just average, just like many of great coaches in the NFL. If you give them a good QB, they'll give you great results.
If nothing else can be taken from my little foray into the records of these coaches is that whoever said that backups with good training become great qbs was right as just looking at Starr, Montana, and Brady are all proof.
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Belicheck has 3 rings and 5 superbowl appearances. He'll likely get numbers 4 and 6 this year. You don't "let" someone like that into the Hall of Fame. He earned his way in.
Is he the greatest coach ever? No. Certainly not. Top 10? Maybe.
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kronk wrote: Belicheck has 3 rings and 5 superbowl appearances. He'll likely get numbers 4 and 6 this year. You don't "let" someone like that into the Hall of Fame. He earned his way in.
Is he the greatest coach ever? No. Certainly not. Top 10? Maybe.
Chancetragedy wrote: Uhh your clearly cherry picking stats but ok I don't really feel like arguing anymore because of your style, so you win.
and don't forget Rodgers started as a backup as well.
Not sure how I'm cherry picking stats, perhaps you can explain that one to me. I took coaches you named with quarterbacks you named, and compared their winning seasons to their losing seasons as well as season in which they had winning records and failed to make the playoffs. There is a pretty clear fact that those coaches (except Lombardi) had losing seasons before they had their killer QBs.
I'm just saying that it'll be interesting to see how Belichick performs WITHOUT Brady. And I never said Aaron Rodgers was a bad quarterback, again that's another spot of a backup being groomed to take over and performing well.
Sure there are backups that came in, did well initially and have sucked since... Matt Cassel is a decent example of that, 10 and 5 as Brady's replacement in 2008. He went 10 and 5 in games started (finished out the first game win after Brady's injury). What has he done since then? went 4 and 11, 4 and 5 (he may have had a better season had he not been injured, can't say), and 1 and 4 in 2012 before being injured. Maybe Brady is a damn fine qb, but a terrible teacher. It wouldn't really surprise me, since several of Belichick's ex-staff have gone off and not had much success in the NFL, but whatevs.
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helgrenze wrote: Flacco has done something no other QB in NFL history has....
He has won a playoff game in each of his first five years as a starter.
Even Brady didn't do that.
Here I am a Ravens guy and didn't put that together. Thanks!
Just popping in as I'd like to note my Peyton comment earlier in the thread was a little harsh, or came out so in the moment immediately after the loss.
Not so much he folded under pressure, but threw the ball in a way he really knew he shouldn't have, poor fella willl be kicking himself for weeks.
Was a great weekend overall though, enjoyed every game. Can't wait for the Championship games now,
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The championship games are gonna be intense. I'm really interested to see if the weight has really been lifted from the falcons and if smith can out coach Harbaugh. Atlanta definitely has the weapons and balance to hold the 9ers at least in check and keep it close, especially with a rookie at QB in that dome. But ultimately I think the 9ers squeak out a close game. Which stinks cause I think the pats are gonna eek out a close one against Baltimore and I'd rather they play the falcons in the SB ;p
No Niner fans in here? We gonna be feasting on dirty bird this Sunday! I predict a massive blowout. I was super impressed by Kaep's composure, minus the taunting penalty
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