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Orlanth wrote: How did you work that out? Jedi mind reading powers?
No, I worked it out by hearing what he said and using my ability with the English language.
You can give a try as well if you want, by reading his sentences;
"First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare, if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,"
There's no context that makes that anything other than what it is. He said the body had ways of shutting pregnancy down. It doesn't, and Akin is just an idiot who made up some scientific nonsense to avoid a tough moral question.
And you're some guy who's decided to defend an odious comment because this is the internet, and there'll always be someone ready to defend anything, no matter how indefensible it is.
Can you point to anything where Akin goes on record saying this is what he believes. If you can provide a fair citation I will agree with you and concede the argument. I am only going by what I read about this case, I dont know this mans electoral life history. Has he a certain notoriety for his opinions on rape (prior to embellishments on the interview refered to in the OP)?
And I'd be more than happy to concede the argument if you were able to provide just one alternative meaning to the above sentence that might make even the slightest amount of sense. Because what's happening here is not very hard to figure out at all - this guy voiced an opinion that was not only odious but also scientifically ignorant. He's been called on it by the media at large, and knowing when to cut his losses he's made some non-statements to back away from it as fast as possible.
And then you've decided to come in here and whiteknight for some random senator, and you've done this by pretending a very simple sentence could possibly have had some mysterious second meaning.
Except there's no possible second meaning for that sentence.
Does he now?
Does he also believe that Obama is a Moslem and illegible to be president because he is not a US citizen.
Yes, he does. It's why he said 'if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down".
I don't know what his opinion on Obama is. I also suspect you've completely and utterly lost the plot in this rather simple thing, and are trying to draw in all kinds of vague notions of leftist attacks on Republican senators, when the actual events here are very simple.
Akin said this; "First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare, if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," It has only one meaning, and while that meaning is very stupid and very ugly, it is not out of the ordinary for a particular wing of the Republican party.
And yet you're acting like its the most unbelievable thing in the world and must have had some secret other meaning.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/08/21 08:39:28
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Amaya wrote:I know people are typically stupid, but can people seriously not look at both sides of the argument and see that each one has merit?
Sometimes it's hard to see the merit in a hateful, misogynistic discourse.
Yes, because being against abortion on the basis that one is against the killing of human life is obviously rooted in hate not love.
And now we do a wonderful two-step dance:
1. Do you believe a woman should have complete control over her own body?
2. If yes, then you are tacitly accepting a pro-choice stance. If no, then you prove my statement correct.
Orlanth wrote: Citation for Akins belief in magical anti-pregancy defence from rape needed.
Hint. Twisting the words of the interview in the OP is not a citation. There is a simple logical alternative, he had a far less irrational opinion but mispoke in the interview..
There's no twisting. It's a really fething simple sentence he stated. Stop being ridiculous.
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Orlanth wrote: Indeed, he mispoke, he said he mispoke, and yet you still try and find extra hidden meaning in the words. Are you with Sebster in thinking Akin believes in magical anti pregnancy protection that cuts in during a genuine rape?
There's no hidden meaning. It's the straight up, plain as day don't be fething ridiculous because this could only mean one thing meaning. He said the female body has defenses against that sort of thing. That's it. It's that simple.
It looks ok so far.
Occams razor:
- Akin mispoke, like he plainly said he did, he liklely meant to refer to the phenomena reported by the medical profession that women under emotional strain can miscarry and that rape can cause such a strain. The alternative being a new world view on rape that is not reported anywhere, including by the person who supposedly 'believes' in it.
No, that's a load of gobbledigook from a guy who's being ridiculous.
Occam's razor would be that when the topic of conversation is pregnancy through rape and a guy says 'women have defenses against that sort of thing', it mean's he believe woman have defenses against pregnacy from rape.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/08/21 11:25:09
Subject: Re:Idiot Poltician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Orlanth wrote: Indeed, he mispoke, he said he mispoke, and yet you still try and find extra hidden meaning in the words. Are you with Sebster in thinking Akin believes in magical anti pregnancy protection that cuts in during a genuine rape?
There's no hidden meaning. It's the straight up, plain as day don't be fething ridiculous because this could only mean one thing meaning. He said the female body has defenses against that sort of thing. That's it. It's that simple.
It was ridiculous only if you insist on reading it as it was stated. Something is odd there, a level headed man would ask for clarity at this point, hot howl for blood.
Sure enough it was retracted, plain as day. He said he misspoke, so he misspoke.
Occams razor:
- Akin mispoke, like he plainly said he did, he likely meant to refer to the phenomena reported by the medical profession that women under emotional strain can miscarry and that rape can cause such a strain. The alternative being a new world view on rape that is not reported anywhere, including by the person who supposedly 'believes' in it.
No, that's a load of gobbledigook from a guy who's being ridiculous.
Occam's razor would be that when the topic of conversation is pregnancy through rape and a guy says 'women have defenses against that sort of thing', it mean's he believe woman have defenses against pregnacy from rape.
Akins said he misspoke. There was a logical alternative to what he said based on assuming he misspoke, which happened to be correct as he did misspeak.
That cannot be ridiculous because the original comment you quote doesn't make sense in literal terms as there is no such thing as legitimate rape.
Being rediculous is insisting there is direct meaning when it made no sense to bein with unless modified..
Being completely ridiculous is insisting there is direct meaning even after the person speaking the comment withdrew it saying it was misspoken.
And you're some guy who's decided to defend an odious comment because this is the internet, and there'll always be someone ready to defend anything, no matter how indefensible it is.
The bile is all your own,
As for why I defend him, its because its just to do so. Too many people like to pour the hate on because its the internets. Dogma of course assumed that as I was defending him I must agree with him, and that I wouldn't if I didn't. To give him some credit he accepted my reasons for defending him were not personal, that leaves you still barking.
As things heat up I still call for understanding, far from being ridiculous, its the pattern of the voice of reason. Which often must stand alone against the braying. So be it.
I defend him, in part, as in what he spoke, not his policy per se, because he misspoke, he said he misspoke and that isn't being accepted. Here in the UK this sort of error occurs all the time, now we have a fairly vicious media and party political system, but if someone misspeaks, its taken advantage of in a joking way and the person is allowed to retract and business carries on as usual. Its more common with some MP's than others, some get tongue tied often to a point that people wait for their next fethed up comment, and I have heard even good orators like Thatcher and Blair make statements in the house, get tongue twisted and though an unfortunate reversal say something completely different to what they meant to say. Under no circumstances are any of them forced to keep their words. We are human, politics is a nervous business and every word is analysed, feth up an interview, make a retraction, retraction is heard, everyone moves on.
The media is full of his initial commentary. Only one source so far has bothered to include his contraction, and that just isn't honest journalism. His own party have vocally abandoned him, including politicians who have opinions of abortion similar to or even exceeding his own, like the Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan. I find that harder to stomach than anything Akin says. Ryan should have said nothing, its looks far less shallow and hypocritical.
This whole issue is highly partisan, something leveled at me oddly enough even though I am defending him solely on a point of human decency. The entire thread started off with 'Republicans are idiots' theme to it athen took a look at the harsh abortion laws in Missouri and related them specifically to Akin to back and assumption that he really did mean things as extreme as what he misspoke Yet if you scratch the surface on that you will find that the harsh anti-abortion laws of Missouri were bi-political and instigated by the Democrats.
I feel deeply sorry for Akin, we don't know if he would have made a good senator, and now we might never know. Whoever replaces him need not end up being any more pro-choice than Akin, as its plain as day that pro-life is the ticket in that state and both parties play to that tune when in power. He didn't turn up for an interview last night and the program felt it was savvy to run the slot and display an empty chair in his stead. Did he bottle, or has he been asked to take one for the team? We won't know that either.
Its not the first time I have heard politicians say something as nonsensical as what Akin said, its however rare for a retraction to a nonsensical comment to be drowned out Anyone thinking that this situation will automatically end up a win for pro-choice, or even place a smarter person in the Senate ought to look twice.
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2012/08/21 12:07:01
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
The people defending the fether are entitled to their opinion, but lets not pretend its fair and sensible and has nothing to do with support for the party.. or you guessed it, the Religious preferences.
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2012/08/21 12:08:58
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Orlanth, what happened to "I'm done with this thread"?
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2012/08/21 12:12:47
Subject: Idiot Poltician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Orlanth wrote: Indeed, he mispoke, he said he mispoke, and yet you still try and find extra hidden meaning in the words. Are you with Sebster in thinking Akin believes in magical anti pregnancy protection that cuts in during a genuine rape?
There's no hidden meaning. It's the straight up, plain as day don't be fething ridiculous because this could only mean one thing meaning. He said the female body has defenses against that sort of thing. That's it. It's that simple.
It was ridiculous only if you insist on reading it as it was stated. Something is odd there, a level headed man would ask for clarity at this point, hot howl for blood.
Sure enough it was retracted, plain as day. He said he misspoke, so he misspoke.
It was ridiculous only if you insist on listening to the words that came out of his mouth. Just because he retracted it doesn't mean he didn't say it and he didn't mean it.
Here is how it works.
Politician: Says something incredibly stupid and ignorant.
Public: Is outraged
Politician: "crap, the people realize that I'm an idiot. Let me pretend I didn't say that."
Saying "I misspoke" is about as sincere and legitimate as a 3 year old saying he is sorry because mom took away his toys and won't let him have them back until he apologizes.
2012/08/21 12:17:42
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Its wrong to keep still when a dog is biting your ankles.
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2012/08/21 12:21:21
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
d-usa wrote: If what you said is so stupid that it qualifies as a legitimate mind-rape then the Republican body can shut down the election and prevent a campaign.
Or something like that...
Heh... something like that...
The weird thing was that in "local news", this was barely discussed... seems the furor is more on a "national" scale than anything.
Weird.
But, he's done since his fundings has been pulled.
He may be making an announcement soon about leaving the race, but his annoying campaign adverts are still playing on the morning news. According to a survey done for news stations in St. Louis & Springfield 54% of likely voters in MO think he should drop out......Local news hasn't gone bat-gak crazy covering this, but I actually prefer that to non stop talking heads on the national programs.
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2012/08/21 12:22:30
Subject: Idiot Poltician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
d-usa wrote: Just because he retracted it doesn't mean he didn't say it and he didn't mean it.
Here is how it works.
Politician: Says something incredibly stupid and ignorant.
Public: Is outraged
Politician: "crap, the people realize that I'm an idiot. Let me pretend I didn't say that."
Saying "I misspoke" is about as sincere and legitimate as a 3 year old saying he is sorry because mom took away his toys and won't let him have them back until he apologizes.
However what he said went beyond stupid, to nonsensical, to the point that it needs translating. It doesn't really have a direct meaning, it needs interpretation however one looks at it because there is no such think as legitimate rape. I cannot accept that Akin is forced to keep the words by which he claims there is a form of 'legitimate rape', even a 10 year old knows there isn't let alone a serving Congressman.
At least we disagree nicely.
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2012/08/21 12:37:25
Subject: Idiot Poltician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
d-usa wrote: Just because he retracted it doesn't mean he didn't say it and he didn't mean it.
Here is how it works.
Politician: Says something incredibly stupid and ignorant.
Public: Is outraged
Politician: "crap, the people realize that I'm an idiot. Let me pretend I didn't say that."
Saying "I misspoke" is about as sincere and legitimate as a 3 year old saying he is sorry because mom took away his toys and won't let him have them back until he apologizes.
However what he said went beyond stupid, to nonsensical, to the point that it needs translating. It doesn't really have a direct meaning, it needs interpretation however one looks at it because there is no such think as legitimate rape. I cannot accept that Akin is forced to keep the words by which he claims there is a form of 'legitimate rape', even a 10 year old knows there isn't let alone a serving Congressman.
At least we disagree nicely.
So are Romney and the entire Republican Party leadership dumber than a 10 year old? Because they all seem to disagree with what you are saying...
2012/08/21 12:37:38
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
mattyrm wrote: The people defending the fether are entitled to their opinion, but lets not pretend its fair and sensible and has nothing to do with support for the party.. or you guessed it, the Religious preferences.
Actually matty you couldn't be further from the truth there. I was more interested in critiquing the feeding frenzy.
Besides I actually am pro-choice for the most part. I disagree heavily with New Labours upgrade of abortion from a grey area to a 'human right' in the late nineties, it made the issue too casual, but I have no problems with abortion clinics
I still havent bother to read up about Akin's own religious tilt, I wouldn't be surprised if he is a form of Christian, but to be honest it hadn't crossed my mind, nearly all the popliticians in the US are some sort of 'Christian' and most just use the term. I take very low store on politicians declarations of faith in most circumstances, especially in the US. If a politican in the UK stood up and decklared themselves a practicing Christian I would look at that differently to some extent, though it would also depend on what rthety do and how they behave. I do think there is a difference though. A politician who declares themselves a practicing Christian in the UK is taking a risk, and is probably telling something close to the truth, unless they are obviously Jewish most politicans in the US like to claim to be Christian it brings in the votes.
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2012/08/21 12:40:15
Subject: Idiot Poltician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
d-usa wrote: So are Romney and the entire Republican Party leadership dumber than a 10 year old? Because they all seem to disagree with what you are saying...
Shh, you'll offend Orlanth by making him actually look at reality instead of some weird fantasy.
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2012/08/21 12:52:42
Subject: Idiot Poltician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
So are Romney and the entire Republican Party leadership dumber than a 10 year old? Because they all seem to disagree with what you are saying...
They weren't saying it. Only Akin did. No-one was agreeing with the words at face value, even Akin.
They would only be 'dumber than 10 year olds' if they literally agreed with the original comments. No-one does, including Akin, even though most are pro-life, many as much or more so than Akin.
Even Ryan, who openly calls for abolition of abortion even in cases of rape has decried Akin's comments. This makes sense because of the controversial aspect not from the point of disagreement.
Politically Akin cant distance himself from the words, but that is purely the medias doing. We know this to be true because the retraction hasn't been reported in the articles critiquing Akin. If the media thought the retraction bollocks they might have reported it and critiqued it, similar to the way you attempted, no-one has yet tried this even now to my knowledge, yet the orginal story is still rolling. Akin is being denied the opportunity to retract, this isn't 'conspiracy', its because it makes much better headlines if he cant.
If Akin is being strung up it behooves the rest of the Republicans to stay away, especially in election year. I can accept this, but people like Paul Ryan should have just remained silent rather than take open opportunity to disagree. As dfor Democrats crowing, its a meal ticket, why not eat. After all its 'Republicans' who like to take away womens rights and deny abortions yes. However that depends actually on the individual state and its ethnic and religious mix. Got a mostly Catholic state and the Democrats are all for very tough anti-abortion laws.
Stamping on Akin may look like an exposure of and consequent a victory over ignorant fanatics. It isn't.
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2012/08/21 13:13:20
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
So you are simply saying that the media is taking the statement that a "legitimate rape" (whatever he meant by that) would cause the woman's body to shut down and prevent pregnancy out of context.
And why shouldn't the entire Republican Leadership disagree with him?
2012/08/21 13:37:05
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Amaya wrote:I know people are typically stupid, but can people seriously not look at both sides of the argument and see that each one has merit?
Sometimes it's hard to see the merit in a hateful, misogynistic discourse.
Yes, because being against abortion on the basis that one is against the killing of human life is obviously rooted in hate not love.
And now we do a wonderful two-step dance:
1. Do you believe a woman should have complete control over her own body?
2. If yes, then you are tacitly accepting a pro-choice stance. If no, then you prove my statement correct.
*jazz hands*
So it is a impossibility to both recognize that it is a woman's choice while simultaneously feeling that it would be better if the fetus is brought to term. I think that both the pro-choice and pro-life movement over-trivialize the emotional impact of an abortion and turned into nothing more then a political statement.
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2012/08/21 14:00:12
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
It's a douchey tactic, but it might work if Akins continues to make himself a clown.
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2012/08/21 15:19:31
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Republican Todd Akin has until 5:00 PM to withdraw from the US Senate race.
And, it’s clear that the National Republican Senatorial Campaign want him gone. They already cut funding to the Republican – an estimated $5 million. Then this morning the NRSC sent out this email this morning.
Just a quick background update on the situation in the Missouri Senate race. While much of the press coverage has understandably focused on the statements by Republican leaders yesterday regarding Congressman Akin, I wanted to point out for your background that they have been joined by leading conservatives across the country who have called on Congressman Akin to step aside for the good of the party and the pro-life movement he cares so deeply about.
Below are just a few examples for your consideration:
· Radio/TV Host Sean Hannity urged Akin yesterday to reconsider running and reminded him that “elections are bigger than one person”
· Radio Host Mark Levin similarly urged Akin to step aside saying this race is far too important to risk losing to the Democrats.
· National Review’s Jim Geraghty observes, Who Isn’t Calling for Akin’s Withdrawal? Claire McCaskill & Planned Parenthood.
· Columnist/Radio Host Dennis Prager penned a column for Townhall.com calling on his fellow pro-life leaders to join him in disavowing Akin’s remarks.
· Columnist Charles Krauthammer on Fox News last night called Akin “toxic” and said “he’s got to go”
· Radio Host Hugh Hewitt tweeted – “If Akin drops out and GOP wins Senate, he has career. If he stays in and GOP doesn’t win Senate, infamy and injury to prolife cause”
· Author Ann Coulter penned a column in Human Events calling on Akin to do the right thing and step aside for the good of the pro-life movement
· National Review editorial board called on Akin to step aside, writing in part, “Akin is a stalwart conservative and an honorable man, we regret to say that he inspires no such confidence”
· Wall Street Journal editorial board also called on Akin to step aside, writing in part, “Having uttered one of the more offensive and ill-informed comments in recent years, Mr. Akin could cost his party a seat it is favored to win this November and thus possible control of the Senate.”
· The Tea Party Express called on Akin to step aside saying “It is critical that we defeat Senator Claire McCaskill in November, but it will be too difficult to achieve that with Todd Akin as the conservative alternative.”
That’s brutal.
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http://minx.cc/?post=332101
Since PPP decided it can't help itself, I've done you all a service.
I went through their ridiculous R+9 sample and ONLY changed the D/R/I proportions to match previous elections, and an even turnout.
With R+9, PPP's headline screams Akin up by 1. It is an obvious, sick ploy to get this delusional Bio101 flunkie to stay in and cost us a seat.
Here are the real numbers:
If turnout in November matches 2008 (it won't):
McCaskill 49.25% Akin 39% (this is a D+6 turnout model)
If turnout in November is even, an incredible feat for the GOP considering heavy turnout in St Louis and Kansas City during an election year:
McCaskill 47% Akin 40%.
If turnout in November matches the best we have ever seen in the state (R+3 during 2010):
McCaskill 45% Akin 41%.
McCaskill is a dead duck if we dump Akin. The other candidates from the primary were crushing her up and down. To trail her by four in a best-case scenario is inexcusable at this point.
The fact that PPP had to triple the best R margin ever just to get Akin over McCaskill screams agenda polling, but they will never admit to that, so I'm calling them out on it, and it's time for you to spread the word. PPP's "Akin still leads" poll is garbage, the approval rating for Akin with this huge R spread is a God-awful 24%, and McCaskill hasn't cut one rape ad yet.
Akin.
Must.
Go.
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2012/08/21 15:22:30
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Well, that's one opinion. I think the other is, regardless of what PPP reported, if you carefully parse their exact words, it's possible to come to an alternate and totally reasonable interpretation of what they said and we should give them the benefit of the doubt despite all their past history of identical antics.
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2012/08/21 16:02:43
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/08/21 17:16:10
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
I hate this whole 'misspeaking' nonsense. It's a fething slimy thing to say, and can be used to defend all sorts of shocking statements.
You didn't 'misspeak', you said something ignorant and stupid.
You didn't 'misspeak', you said something which was factually incorrect, because you were to lazy to research it.
You didn't 'misspeak', you Just. fething. Lied.
Grr!
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Isn't that what you call it when you realize that you said something that you shouldn't have?
Nah misspeaking is letting your emotions get the better of you in my book. You misspeak if you go "feth off!" instead of saying something civilised.
Saying "Doctors have told me that rape victims self abort a foetus" is either a full on lie, or he has the worst doctor ever, and considering in North America they actually have to pass exams to be doctors, I go for full on lie.
A full on lie isn't misspeaking. Its fething lying.
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2012/08/21 17:56:08
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Isn't that what you call it when you realize that you said something that you shouldn't have?
Nah misspeaking is letting your emotions get the better of you in my book. You misspeak if you go "feth off!" instead of saying something civilised.
Saying "Doctors have told me that rape victims self abort a foetus" is either a full on lie, or he has the worst doctor ever, and considering in North America they actually have to pass exams to be doctors, I go for full on lie.
A full on lie isn't misspeaking. Its fething lying.
But misspeaking doesn't have to be a lie. What if your girlfriend asks you if this dress makes her butt look big, and you accidentally say "no, your butt makes your butt look big". You know you said the truth and you really think her butt is big. But you misspoke because you know you shouldn't have said it .
I think you are giving him too much credit with lying. I am going to guess that he really thinks that what he said was true..
2012/08/21 18:14:08
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Amaya wrote:I know people are typically stupid, but can people seriously not look at both sides of the argument and see that each one has merit?
Sometimes it's hard to see the merit in a hateful, misogynistic discourse.
Yes, because being against abortion on the basis that one is against the killing of human life is obviously rooted in hate not love.
And now we do a wonderful two-step dance:
1. Do you believe a woman should have complete control over her own body? 2. If yes, then you are tacitly accepting a pro-choice stance. If no, then you prove my statement correct.
*jazz hands*
So it is a impossibility to both recognize that it is a woman's choice while simultaneously feeling that it would be better if the fetus is brought to term. I think that both the pro-choice and pro-life movement over-trivialize the emotional impact of an abortion and turned into nothing more then a political statement.
Not at all. You can totally feel that it would be better if the foetus is brought to term. Feel whatever you like. Just so long as you recognize that the decision is the woman's choice.
EDIT: Dammit. stupid multi-quote mishaps
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2012/08/21 19:13:30
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
