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2012/08/23 04:33:54
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
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Can everyone take a deep breath? Please?
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You back? You relaxed?
...bet ya didn't read it did ya?
Newsflash: If you read that link, you'll know that this "pastor" isn't doing the "scientific study".
Yes, it certainly is unscientific since it constantly references the 'unborn child' as a victim, and how terrible the pro-abortion mantra is considering a fertilized egg is merely a collection of cells (heaven forbid we use scientific terminology, this is a child with a soul!). Next you'll be quoting the soundness of Dr. Wilke's methods in determining 'legitimate rape' rarely results in pregnancy.
Members in my familiy want MORE socialism... and I'd always get snooker'ed in good ol'fashion family debate that no one wins.
How... HOW DARE THEY!?
Wanting more social services and safety nets? BOOTSTRAPS!
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...bet ya didn't read it did ya?
Newsflash: If you read that link, you'll know that this "pastor" isn't doing the "scientific study".
Yes, it certainly is unscientific since it constantly references the 'unborn child' as a victim, and how terrible the pro-abortion mantra is considering a fertilized egg is merely a collection of cells (heaven forbid we use scientific terminology, this is a child with a soul!)
Thanks for proving my point!
Members in my familiy want MORE socialism... and I'd always get snooker'ed in good ol'fashion family debate that no one wins.
How... HOW DARE THEY!?
Wanting more social services and safety nets? BOOTSTRAPS!
I KNOW!!!
Maybe I'll start a new thread on this topic since folks are interested... let's stop here and not muck up Melissia's thread.
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
2012/08/23 05:25:06
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Well, this is what the ignore feature is for I guess.
Awww... don't be like that...
Here's what I said previously:
What's driving me bonkers is what I said earlier... Akin doesn’t want to confront that this happens, which is why he put forth his dumb rape-doesn’t-cause-pregnancy theory [weaslely politican answer] . Pro-choicers, for the most part, don’t want to confront that an abortion that happens after a rape is still just as much an abortion as one that happens because nobody bothered with birth control.
BOTH sides should own it... otherwise, this is all we're going to hear... "Republicans haaaaaaaaaaaate women!" or "Democrats are baby KILLERS!".
So... you jumped on the article because a PASTOR believed that those "collection of cells" is a baby. He's a PASTOR for feth sakes? That's controversial from him?
And you totally ignored his criticism/recommendation for the whole thing.
and yes, I'm sure tons of people here are totally interested in discussing bootstraps with you, and how we should let sick people die or go bankrupt.
And why does everything think when one says "I dislike socialsm" is equivalent to believing that there shouldn't be any safty net. D'oh... MUST.NOT.RESPOND.FURTHER.
Sorry Melissia!
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2012/08/23 05:32:39
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Chicago, Illinois (CNN) -- When I was in law school, my criminal law professor introduced us to the crime of rape by reading us a quote from Lord Chief Justice Sir Matthew Hale, a 17th-century English jurist: "In a rape case it is the victim, not the defendant, who is on trial."
It was not merely a history lesson. I had lived it.
While a student in my final year of college, at age 21, I was raped. I have dissected that moment -- the horrifying moment that I became a "victim" -- from every possible angle. I have poked and prodded, examined and re-examined. Regrettably, I have even suspected myself in a desperate, ultimately futile attempt to understand how I became a victim.
But blaming myself was neither my idea nor my first inclination. I thought such 17th-century notions were long dead. I was wrong. People who did not even know me were quick to comment or speculate on my rape. What were you wearing? Did you scream loudly? Did this occur in public?
As my history lesson said, I found myself on trial, facing the most fierce judge and jury: ignorance.
Defiant Akin still in Senate raceRep. Akin's controversial claimsEight years after my rape, I find myself on trial against ignorance again. Rep. Todd Akin's recent comments that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy not only flout scientific fact but, for me, cut deeper. Akin has de-legitimized my rape.
You see, nine months after my rape, I gave birth to a beautiful little girl. You could say she was conceived in rape; she was. But she is also so much more than her beginnings. I blissfully believed that after I finally had decided to give birth to and to raise my daughter, life would be all roses and endless days at the playground. I was wrong again.
It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child.
When faced with the choice between a lifetime tethered to her rapist or meaningful legal redress, the answer may be easy, but it is not painless. For the sake of her child, the woman will sacrifice her need to see her once immensely powerful perpetrator humbled by the court.
I know it because I lived it. I went to law school to learn how to stop it.
Having fought this injustice for the past several years, I have come to believe that ignorance is to blame for this legal absence. Opponents argue no woman would ever choose to raise the child she conceived through rape. The only two studies to analyze the choices made by pregnant raped women indicate otherwise -- at least 30% of women who conceive by rape make this choice.
Others argue that no rapist would ever seek parental rights. Not only does my experience and that of others I know prove otherwise, but it is not surprising that a man who cruelly degrades a woman would also seek to torture her in an even more agonizing way, by seeking access to her child.
Today, it seems we may face a new and unbelievable challenge: convincing legislators that women can conceive when they are raped.
Make no mistake, my efforts and the efforts of others to persuade legislators to pass laws restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape will be directly impacted by Akin's recent comments. Whether these efforts will be helped or hurt, however, depends upon us as a society.
Either we will fight ignorance and take steps to legislate for raped women based upon reason and facts, or we will be led by ignorance and continue to make bad laws. Or fail to make good ones.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Shauna Prewitt.
....I... I lack words. I am /trembling/ with rage.
I just deleted a massive rant that was going to be here.
I have calmed down a little. I am still very very angry.
I also have my new personal cause to rally, fund raise and do whatever the hell needs to be done for. Rape is the second most disgusting crime I can think of and the only thing that beats it is the same act when perpetrated against a child. That such... things, and things these criminals are because when you violate the social contract like that you may as well turn in your human being card... but that those things can possibly assert parental right on the women they raped, basically impose themselves on them again, control them again....
I'm going to stop or I will go off on another twelve paragraph rage trip. It's disgusting. It's wrong and as a civilized society we should not tolerate this gak.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Chicago, Illinois (CNN) -- When I was in law school, my criminal law professor introduced us to the crime of rape by reading us a quote from Lord Chief Justice Sir Matthew Hale, a 17th-century English jurist: "In a rape case it is the victim, not the defendant, who is on trial."
It was not merely a history lesson. I had lived it.
While a student in my final year of college, at age 21, I was raped. I have dissected that moment -- the horrifying moment that I became a "victim" -- from every possible angle. I have poked and prodded, examined and re-examined. Regrettably, I have even suspected myself in a desperate, ultimately futile attempt to understand how I became a victim.
But blaming myself was neither my idea nor my first inclination. I thought such 17th-century notions were long dead. I was wrong. People who did not even know me were quick to comment or speculate on my rape. What were you wearing? Did you scream loudly? Did this occur in public?
As my history lesson said, I found myself on trial, facing the most fierce judge and jury: ignorance.
Defiant Akin still in Senate raceRep. Akin's controversial claimsEight years after my rape, I find myself on trial against ignorance again. Rep. Todd Akin's recent comments that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy not only flout scientific fact but, for me, cut deeper. Akin has de-legitimized my rape.
You see, nine months after my rape, I gave birth to a beautiful little girl. You could say she was conceived in rape; she was. But she is also so much more than her beginnings. I blissfully believed that after I finally had decided to give birth to and to raise my daughter, life would be all roses and endless days at the playground. I was wrong again.
It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child.
When faced with the choice between a lifetime tethered to her rapist or meaningful legal redress, the answer may be easy, but it is not painless. For the sake of her child, the woman will sacrifice her need to see her once immensely powerful perpetrator humbled by the court.
I know it because I lived it. I went to law school to learn how to stop it.
Having fought this injustice for the past several years, I have come to believe that ignorance is to blame for this legal absence. Opponents argue no woman would ever choose to raise the child she conceived through rape. The only two studies to analyze the choices made by pregnant raped women indicate otherwise -- at least 30% of women who conceive by rape make this choice.
Others argue that no rapist would ever seek parental rights. Not only does my experience and that of others I know prove otherwise, but it is not surprising that a man who cruelly degrades a woman would also seek to torture her in an even more agonizing way, by seeking access to her child.
Today, it seems we may face a new and unbelievable challenge: convincing legislators that women can conceive when they are raped.
Make no mistake, my efforts and the efforts of others to persuade legislators to pass laws restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape will be directly impacted by Akin's recent comments. Whether these efforts will be helped or hurt, however, depends upon us as a society.
Either we will fight ignorance and take steps to legislate for raped women based upon reason and facts, or we will be led by ignorance and continue to make bad laws. Or fail to make good ones.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Shauna Prewitt.
....I... I lack words. I am /trembling/ with rage.
I just deleted a massive rant that was going to be here.
I have calmed down a little. I am still very very angry.
I also have my new personal cause to rally, fund raise and do whatever the hell needs to be done for. Rape is the second most disgusting crime I can think of and the only thing that beats it is the same act when perpetrated against a child. That such... things, and things these criminals are because when you violate the social contract like that you may as well turn in your human being card... but that those things can possibly assert parental right on the women they raped, basically impose themselves on them again, control them again....
I'm going to stop or I will go off on another twelve paragraph rage trip. It's disgusting. It's wrong and as a civilized society we should not tolerate this gak.
Right there with ya man. My solution... Firing Squad... and even then, that's not good enough.
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2012/08/23 05:47:47
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
No... there were several local polls (historically more accurate than national ones) that Atkins was up like 18% over McCaskill. The other two (R) primary candidates were over 20%.
Local polls actually tend to be much less accurate than their national counterparts due to poor funding and therefore poor methodology. Of course by "local" I assume you mean "funded by a local organization".
This survey is actually a good example. Public Policy Polling conducted a survey of 500 Missouri residents in a single evening, all via the same method (automate phone calls), while the SurveyUSA data used in the local poll was collected over 3 days using 2 separate methods (pre-recorded interview and electronic questionnaire). The first method is generally more accurate because it features less variation according to collection methodology, but also more expensive because all responses need to be acquired in a relatively short frame of time. The PPP survey found Akin to be ahead by a point, compared to the 11 point lead indicated by the SurveyUSA data.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
2012/08/23 05:56:27
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
That PPP poll just seems weird, I think they over sampled the (D)s in that poll making it closer... McCaskill is easily over 10% now...
Edit again:
Since PPP decided it can't help itself, I've done you all a service.
I went through their ridiculous R+9 sample and ONLY changed the D/R/I proportions to match previous elections, and an even turnout.
With R+9, PPP's headline screams Akin up by 1. It is an obvious, sick ploy to get this delusional Bio101 flunkie to stay in and cost us a seat.
Here are the real numbers:
If turnout in November matches 2008 (it won't):
McCaskill 49.25% Akin 39% (this is a D+6 turnout model)
If turnout in November is even, an incredible feat for the GOP considering heavy turnout in St Louis and Kansas City during an election year:
McCaskill 47% Akin 40%.
If turnout in November matches the best we have ever seen in the state (R+3 during 2010):
McCaskill 45% Akin 41%.
McCaskill is a dead duck if we dump Akin. The other candidates from the primary were crushing her up and down. To trail her by four in a best-case scenario is inexcusable at this point.
The fact that PPP had to triple the best R margin ever just to get Akin over McCaskill screams agenda polling, but they will never admit to that, so I'm calling them out on it, and it's time for you to spread the word. PPP's "Akin still leads" poll is garbage, the approval rating for Akin with this huge R spread is a God-awful 24%, and McCaskill hasn't cut one rape ad yet.
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2012/08/23 05:59:55
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
My question was this: did you seriously support his position, and not want him to withdraw for his hate, lack of education and misogyny; but want him to withdraw only because he made a political misstep and revealed it?
Honestly?? The latter... sort of.
That doesn't mean I supported the former. (he doesn't support gay marriage... and I do)
I'm not a single-issue voter.
I just wanted a (R) to win the senate seat from McCaskill.
What does that make me?
I dunno, but a foundational discourse on women's rights is a pretty big issue. I suspect that If someone is in favour of insert anything here and yet against women's rights, that makes them a misogynist.
whembly wrote:
And why does everything think when one says "I dislike socialsm" is equivalent to believing that there shouldn't be any safty net. D'oh... MUST.NOT.RESPOND.FURTHER.
Because we don't suffer from cognitive dissonance.
2012/08/23 09:14:26
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
I also have my new personal cause to rally, fund raise and do whatever the hell needs to be done for. Rape is the second most disgusting crime I can think of and the only thing that beats it is the same act when perpetrated against a child. That such... things, and things these criminals are because when you violate the social contract like that you may as well turn in your human being card... but that those things can possibly assert parental right on the women they raped, basically impose themselves on them again, control them again....
I'm going to stop or I will go off on another twelve paragraph rage trip. It's disgusting. It's wrong and as a civilized society we should not tolerate this gak.
Really, I mean, yeah, rape is a terrible crime and all but did you really just rank it as worse than murder? I mean, I get that there are people who have that opinion, but ... you survive it. No one survives being murdered.
2012/08/23 09:17:42
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
I also have my new personal cause to rally, fund raise and do whatever the hell needs to be done for. Rape is the second most disgusting crime I can think of and the only thing that beats it is the same act when perpetrated against a child. That such... things, and things these criminals are because when you violate the social contract like that you may as well turn in your human being card... but that those things can possibly assert parental right on the women they raped, basically impose themselves on them again, control them again....
I'm going to stop or I will go off on another twelve paragraph rage trip. It's disgusting. It's wrong and as a civilized society we should not tolerate this gak.
Really, I mean, yeah, rape is a terrible crime and all but did you really just rank it as worse than murder? I mean, I get that there are people who have that opinion, but ... you survive it. No one survives being murdered.
Which some people might argue as a reason why rape is worse.
Once the murder is done, the victim doesn't suffer anymore. Rape affects the victim for the rest of their lives.
2012/08/23 09:31:05
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
I also have my new personal cause to rally, fund raise and do whatever the hell needs to be done for. Rape is the second most disgusting crime I can think of and the only thing that beats it is the same act when perpetrated against a child. That such... things, and things these criminals are because when you violate the social contract like that you may as well turn in your human being card... but that those things can possibly assert parental right on the women they raped, basically impose themselves on them again, control them again....
I'm going to stop or I will go off on another twelve paragraph rage trip. It's disgusting. It's wrong and as a civilized society we should not tolerate this gak.
Really, I mean, yeah, rape is a terrible crime and all but did you really just rank it as worse than murder? I mean, I get that there are people who have that opinion, but ... you survive it. No one survives being murdered.
Which some people might argue as a reason why rape is worse.
Once the murder is done, the victim doesn't suffer anymore. Rape affects the victim for the rest of their lives.
That, to me at least is an idiotic statement. Using that logic, assault is worse than murder. Stealing is worse than murder. Kicking someone in the shin is worse than murder. In fact, using that argument murder is a victimless crime because the victim can't suffer any more.
No.
You just took away an entire lifetime of possibilities. That is significantly worse than rape.
2012/08/23 09:51:27
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
I also have my new personal cause to rally, fund raise and do whatever the hell needs to be done for. Rape is the second most disgusting crime I can think of and the only thing that beats it is the same act when perpetrated against a child. That such... things, and things these criminals are because when you violate the social contract like that you may as well turn in your human being card... but that those things can possibly assert parental right on the women they raped, basically impose themselves on them again, control them again....
I'm going to stop or I will go off on another twelve paragraph rage trip. It's disgusting. It's wrong and as a civilized society we should not tolerate this gak.
Really, I mean, yeah, rape is a terrible crime and all but did you really just rank it as worse than murder? I mean, I get that there are people who have that opinion, but ... you survive it. No one survives being murdered.
Which some people might argue as a reason why rape is worse.
Once the murder is done, the victim doesn't suffer anymore. Rape affects the victim for the rest of their lives.
That, to me at least is an idiotic statement. Using that logic, assault is worse than murder. Stealing is worse than murder. Kicking someone in the shin is worse than murder. In fact, using that argument murder is a victimless crime because the victim can't suffer any more.
No.
You just took away an entire lifetime of possibilities. That is significantly worse than rape.
Let's look at some of the other reasons why rapes are as bad as they are:
A large number of rapes are committed by people the victim knows. It shatters their trust, their judgement, their ability to trust the people around them. It creates long term problem when it comes to forming relationships.
Rape victims often face judgement from people around them. You have idiotic comments like "legitimate rape" for the same reason why defense attorneys try to bring up the sexual past of rape victims. Because they are judged and people like to look at them and think "she probably asked for it", "she probably wanted it", "she dressed like a slut", "she has sex with everybody anyway".
You can end up with an STD. If you are "lucky" it is something curable, but you will still end up going to the clinic and being judged because you must get around to get an STD. If you are not so lucky you will end up with something that will either stay with you for the rest of your life or even cut your life short.
Maybe a couple of the scenarious at once, here is a worst case scenario that is not that unlikely:
Married woman is raped by a co-worker (because many rapes are by somebody the victim knows), the crime is reported and the guy goes to jail. After 3 months of trying to deal with it her husband leaves her because he has a hard time dealing with feelings like "she cheated on me", "was he better than me", "what did she do that made him think she wanted it". Between the rape and her husband leaving she is unable to have a normal relationship after that. Guy had HPV and she gets cervical cancer.
Really not that unlikely of a story.
I don't think it is worse than murder, but it is in a category that is up there with it.
2012/08/23 09:51:55
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Considering some of the rape victims I've met the argument could be made that a lifetime of possibilities was taken away there too. Sure you're alive... with a shattered mind a body that disgusts you.
Rape and Murder are the top two most vile crimes* bottom line because they are a complete and personal violation of the only thing that's really yours. Your actual person. if you really want to get into the semantics of it all we can start a polling thread and all of OT can vote and decide which crime's worst.
*as perpetrated by an individual on an individual.
Or you can realize I was probably insanely pissed off and not typing 100% coherently. Your call.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Well, D, I am glad that you agree that murder is worse than rape. I also agree with you that short of murder, it is about the worst damn crime out there. Maybe I don't express that because I try to be fairly succinct.
But K-money.... really? Having someone take a brick and make your frontal lobe your not quite so frontal lobe is a worse thing than rape. I'm sorry, but it is. Emotional damage sucks, but it does not trump death. Being murdered is not a violation, it is a negation. It is taking you, and making there not be you any more. Rape can take you and twist you and change you, but it cannot negate you. It can make you choose to negate yourself, but it cannot negate you forceably. I don't care if every person on dakka or for that matter in the whole world disagrees with me, because my choice of morality isn't a popularity contest. It is what I need it to be.
2012/08/23 13:37:34
Subject: Re:Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
While the term “Legitimate Rape” wass only recently introduced into the common lexicon due to the interview by Senate hopeful Todd Akin, its origins actually stretch back far further than most people realize. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch went into detail behind the origins of his claim. The origin for the rape-pregnancy-free argument comes from a single source, the 1972 article “The Indications for Induced Abortion: A Physician’s Perspective,” by Dr. Fred Mecklenburg. This two page piece was one of 19 included in the 1972 anthology “Abortion and Social Justice” compiled by Dr. Thomas W. Hilger. Dr. Mecklenburg formerly was the chairman of obstetrics at Inova Women’s Hospital in Fall’s Church, Va.
In Dr. Mecklenburg’s piece, he posted several statistics, from a woman’s menstrual cycle to a rapists masturbation to theorize that pregnancies from rape are incredibly improbable. But, buried within the piece is one line, one bit of insight into the origin of this tale. It states that a woman exposed to rape, “will not ovulate even if she is ‘scheduled’ to.” The source of his claims, however, is where the story falls apart.
Since the paper’s release in 1972, there has been leaps and bounds in the field of obstetrics. Taken from the Post-Dispatch is this gem from Dr. Barbara Levy, vice president for health policy at the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists:
“From a scientific standpoint, what’s legitimate and fair to say is that a woman who is raped has the same chances of getting pregnant as a woman who engaged in consensual intercourse during the same time in her menstrual cycle.”
So where then did Dr. Mecklenburg originate his hypothesis?
According to RawStory, the papers which he cited for his own article originated from the concentration camps and the sadistic medical experiments done by Nazi doctors such as Josef Mengele, Herta Oberheuser and Karl Brandt. Quoting from Dr Mecklenburg’s article, the doctors tested their hypothesis “by selecting women who were about to ovulate and sending them to the gas chambers, only to bring them back after their realistic mock-killing, to see what the effect this had on their ovulatory patterns. An extremely high percentage of these women did not ovulate.” To confirm his hypothesis, he cites the work by the most inhumane and evil of men.
Of course, medical science invalidated his theory decades ago. The original Nazi experiments were on people malnourished and abused, both of which by themselves have been found to cause infertility. This is not new knowledge, but why then was this source cited by Dr. Mecklenburg?
It turns out his wife, Marjory, was the chairwoman of the National Right to Life Committee. She also served under both Presidents Ford and Reagan. To back their anti-choice positions, they needed scientific papers. And here is her husband providing just what they needed in a publication paid for by Americans United for Life, run by William Buckley’s brother-in-law. A very tight-knit group. To gain the academic credibility needed, he needed to give sources, and the only ones available came right out of the mass murders of the Holocaust.
Since the publication of his paper, it is often cited by a number of other anti-choice studies for validation of their figures. This is how the cycle is perpetuated, in this case political advocacy through fake science. No different than Intelligent Design or Divine Mathematics. The “science” behind the anti-choice movement is a fraud, built upon the theories of mad men who were out to create the Master Race.
The ultimate Godwin’s Law indeed, when your own proof is nothing but a reconstituted Third Reich lie.
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2012/08/23 13:59:14
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/08/23 14:33:31
Subject: Idiot Politician (R, MO) talks about "Legitimate rape"
Bromsy still seems to be missing the part where I flat out said "Posted that while pissed off, probably not my actual opinion on where murder sits on the "gakky things to do to other human beings" scale. "
Melissa's right though. There's plenty of things worse then death and while our society is pretty good about out reach and help in trying to rebuild victims... well I can't talk about rape but I can talk about being the victim of spousal abuse and domestic violence and there were more then a few times that suck starting a 1911 felt like a superior option to living another day. Obviously I didn't make that choice but the actions of others can and do make people's lives a living hell.
I guess it comes down to this. Would you rather be shot in the head? Or tortured for years with almost NOTHING that can be done about it? To live with the constant unending terror that your personal nightmare is going to come back and hurt you again?
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
