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Dreadnoughts are placed in a stasis field while not in use. Time simply does not pass within such a field. The body inside it does not exist in a stasis field.

If a stasis field were inside the sarcophagus, the dreadnought would not be able to do anything, as the meat parts inside are locked outside of the flow of time, and would be incapable of interacting with the outside world in any way, not even its thoughts would function, since the bio-chemical processes that are "thoughts" are frozen in time.

Psienesis wrote:If a stasis field were inside the sarcophagus, the dreadnought would not be able to do anything, as the meat parts inside are locked outside of the flow of time, and would be incapable of interacting with the outside world in any way, not even its thoughts would function, since the bio-chemical processes that are "thoughts" are frozen in time.

It would obviously be shut off whenever the Dreadnought is needed, just like it would work with a statis field deployed outside the Dread.
Do they really put the entire Dreadnought into stasis? Sounds like a huge waste of space. Or are stasis chambers truly that large that they are unable to be fitted inside as part of the machine?

Don't think they put whole Dreads into stasis, there's no need to and lots of fluff bits talk about how Dreads just sort of sit in their warship/fortress' armoury until needed.

Yes it's a bit bizarre that a 10,000 year old Dread's armor suit wouldn't just fall apart. But 40k has lots of ancient weapons, 5,000 year old battleships (older then recorded human civilization) still going strong and better then the newer ships are the norm. GW doesn't really get how quickly machines break down or you just dismiss it as a result of the technological wonders of the dark age of technology.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Cypher, and the Fallen Angels would also be survivors of the heresy.

I was waiting for someone to remember Cypher.

Do they really put the entire Dreadnought into stasis? Sounds like a huge waste of space. Or are stasis chambers truly that large that they are unable to be fitted inside as part of the machine?

All of Roboute Guilliman is contained within a stasis field, and he's a Primarch.

They mention in one of the SW Codices, I want to say 2nd Ed, that Bjorn's sarcophagus is contained behind a stasis field deep within the forges of the Fang when he is not "active", and often remains in such a state for thousands of years at a stretch, until the Great Wolf has need of him, or a Great Hunt is called.

Stasis fields, themselves, though, can apparently be almost any size, from small void-safes to at least large enough to contain an entire Primarch, his power armor, and his throne. In total size, this is probably the same size as, if not larger, than a dreadnought. There's other, scattered references for well-heeled vessels (or vessels captained by well-heeled Rogue Traders or the AdMech) having entire holds equipped with stasis fields for transporting time-sensitive cargoes.

MadMuzza wrote:
Surely there has got to be some Custodes still around since they only Guard the Emperor and don't get involved in off world conflicts.

Wont all the custodes have been alive during the HH? Unless the technology to create them is still being used to replace those that die of old age.

If it is possible to create custodes you would think the IoM would be churning them out as fast as possible.

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:

MadMuzza wrote:
Surely there has got to be some Custodes still around since they only Guard the Emperor and don't get involved in off world conflicts.

Wont all the custodes have been alive during the HH? Unless the technology to create them is still being used to replace those that die of old age.

If it is possible to create custodes you would think the IoM would be churning them out as fast as possible.

Not necessarily, each custodian is more akin to say a hand built Shelby Cobra whereas SM are more akin to a Ford Mustang that just came off the assembly line. The hand built Cobra takes a lot of time and a lot of individual attention to put together while the Ford Mustang, well, i think you get the picture.

The only people that could put an end to the High Lords of Terra's reign, would be the Primarchs. The Lords of Terra and Ecclesiarchy are just facist pigs in control of a massive dictatorship.

Bjorn is old and wise, but his influence outside of the Space Wolves gene seed is arguably low.

Fallen Angels coming back wouldn't change much, either the DA would kill them or nobody would believe them. I remember people though that Cypher was the Emperor.

I think the only people that could dethrone them, who has the most influence and isn't dead would be Roboute Guilliman or Leman Russ returning. The Lion I think would continue to try and hunt down the rest of the Fallen, eliminating all evidence of that ever happening.


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 kanekaneo wrote:
The only people that could put an end to the High Lords of Terra's reign, would be the Primarchs. The Lords of Terra and Ecclesiarchy are just facist pigs in control of a massive dictatorship.

Bjorn is old and wise, but his influence outside of the Space Wolves gene seed is arguably low.

Fallen Angels coming back wouldn't change much, either the DA would kill them or nobody would believe them. I remember people though that Cypher was the Emperor.

I think the only people that could dethrone them, who has the most influence and isn't dead would be Roboute Guilliman or Leman Russ and the 13th Company returning. The Lion I think would continue to try and hunt down the rest of the Fallen, eliminating all evidence of that ever happening.

I like to think that Sigismund is still alive. His death is never recorded and given that he is the "Emperor's Champion" and the unofficial primarch of the largest current space marine chapter whose crusades are unknown to even the high marshal makes it possible for him to still be alive.

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Omegus wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
No matter how "that situation " was silly - it still counts as atempt of peaceful resolution...

and Magnus admited that he putted spies into the SW - so I'm wondering were both of them been played....

It was not an attempt to communicate, because they were wrong about him being a TS plant. Completely and utterly wrong. Why not use standard channels? Especially when you find the planetary defenses powered down and the way to the planet wide open? Why just assume that your brother is the devil and wants to destroy you, when he really could care less? Magnus never admitted to planting spies in the Wolves' ranks. He wouldn't need to, given his scrying capabilities.

See how one sided you are

Spoiler:

“Still,” said Ahriman, “it is a shame to have lost the opportunity to learn more of the Wolves. Ohthere Wyrdmake and I formed a close bond. With Uthizzar’s help, I would have learned much of the inner workings of the Wolf King’s Legion.”
Magnus nodded and smiled.
“Have no fear, Ahzek,” he said, “Wyrdmake was not our only source within the Wolves. I have other assets in place, none of whom know they dance to my tune.”

Now tell me something that they were good and honest...without offence - read TS again
And I would like your clarification of that ...

Don't bother. Omegus is a huge SW hater who will ignore practically anything quoted from fact as long as it will further his SW hate.

Back to the OP,

Bjorn the Felhanded: Fought alongside both Russ and the Emperor during the Great Crusade and HH. Bjorn is woken every 100yrs for the Great Feast to retell the sagas or when the chapter is in great need, although it is taking longer and longer to pull him from stasis.

SW 13th Co: As detailed by the King novels and later by the Eye of Terror. Present during the Great Crusade, but fluff indicates they were sent into the warp at Prospero to finish the Thousand Sons and thus not present during the HH.

John Grammaticus was alive back then and he is immortal... Wonder where he's been chill axing all these years....

 kanekaneo wrote:
The Lion I think would continue to try and hunt down the rest of the Fallen, eliminating all evidence of that ever happening.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Dante is NOT 1,100 years old. He's been Chapter Master for 1,100 years. Nobody knows exactly how old he is(although he is surely the oldest)

My honest opinion on this? Dante is Azkellion, the original Sanguinary Guard left on Earth to lead the chapter. Now to the Butthurt Bunker

It surprises me that no one has mentioned Erebus yet. For those who don't know him, he is the ass Word Bearer that had a huge hand in the heresy.

Every depiction of dreadnoughts that I've read in the HH books or other Black Library books have them in some sort of hibernation when they aren't in use.

Bjorn is kept in hibernation and awoken when his council is needed (The Emperor's Gift).

There is brief discussion about how the Dreadnoughts in the Ultramarines Legion are kept in hibernation in Know No Fear.

The crazy-ass Night Lords dreadnought in ADB's recent trilogy is kept in hibernation when they aren't at war.

I thought Lysander from the Fists was part of the Great Crusade? I don't own a SM codex so not suprised if I am wrong.

Nevermind, I was wrong he came some time after. A great deal even.

 Tyr Grimtooth wrote:

Don't bother. Omegus is a huge SW hater who will ignore practically anything quoted from fact as long as it will further his SW hate.

Aw, you mad, bro? I'm sorry the HH novels make your favorite faction look like a bunch of tools. TS and Prospero Burns are far from the only novels to cast them in a negative light.

As for Magnus' supposed "unwitting puppets and spies" among the Wolves, that seems to have been a bunch of his typical know-it-all bluster, since they never materialized.

 Iur_tae_mont wrote:
If DoW counts, Eliphas the Inheritor's backstory states he was alive during the HH.

Unfortunately (or fortunately - your choice) DoW isnt cannon.

 Omegus wrote:

Aw, you mad, bro? I'm sorry the HH novels make your favorite faction look like a bunch of tools. TS and Prospero Burns are far from the only novels to cast them in a negative light.

Is that the fault of the Wolves or of the writers, though? My money's on the writers.

 Omegus wrote:

 Tyr Grimtooth wrote:

Don't bother. Omegus is a huge SW hater who will ignore practically anything quoted from fact as long as it will further his SW hate.

Aw, you mad, bro? I'm sorry the HH novels make your favorite faction look like a bunch of tools. TS and Prospero Burns are far from the only novels to cast them in a negative light.

As for Magnus' supposed "unwitting puppets and spies" among the Wolves, that seems to have been a bunch of his typical know-it-all bluster, since they never materialized.

Omegus. What are you doin? Omegus. Stahp

 Omegus wrote:


As for Magnus' supposed "unwitting puppets and spies" among the Wolves, that seems to have been a bunch of his typical know-it-all bluster, since they never materialized.

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Bran Dawri wrote:

 Omegus wrote:

Aw, you mad, bro? I'm sorry the HH novels make your favorite faction look like a bunch of tools. TS and Prospero Burns are far from the only novels to cast them in a negative light.

Is that the fault of the Wolves or of the writers, though? My money's on the writers.

I wouldn't say that - not at all, they are well rounded in "Prospero Burns" which puts another perspective on them...

Mhm. I'm generally very unimpressed with the writing of BL novels, to the point where I avoid them unless I absolutely have nothing better to read, up to and including technical specs on stuff I don't work with but might conceivably in the future...

Mind you, some of the novels have been tolerable, but very often I halfway through the novels have such a bad taste in my mouth from them that the only reason I finish is that I very much dislike leaving things unfinished...

in one of the night lord novels void stalker i think Talos tells a loyalist marine the truth but they ignore it as lies as for loyalists bjorn and the 13th company of the space wolves

Apart from the obvious traitor lords and champions the only loyalist is Bjorn the Fell Handed whom according to fluff is the oldest space marine in the Imperium weather he is a dreadnought or not. The SW awaken him every 100 years to tell stories of the days when he fought alonside Leman Russ and the Emperor.

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Omegus wrote:


As for Magnus' supposed "unwitting puppets and spies" among the Wolves, that seems to have been a bunch of his typical know-it-all bluster, since they never materialized.

Well, it's true, is it not? None of these supposed unwitting puppets ever did anything or say anything, so Magnus was probably just trying to look cool in front of his boy Ahriman.


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Daemonhammer wrote:
Unfortunately (or fortunately - your choice) DoW isnt cannon.

DoW has plenty of cannons. 40K doesn't really have canon.

TheAngrySquig wrote:Omegus. What are you doin? Omegus. Stahp

Beg pardon?

Bran Dawri wrote:Is that the fault of the Wolves or of the writers, though? My money's on the writers.

Is that a valid distinction? Space Wolves are not some real organization where you can accuse negative writers of being libelous. Space Wolves are what they are written to be, and they are written to be either as juvenile wish fulfillment, or outright tools. You don't need to reach for the BL, either. If you look at the older fluff, where the whole HH was just a vague background story, Leman Russ stood out as the bullheaded, quarrelsome one. Even the supposedly favorable novel like Prospero Burns doesn't really cast them in a positive light, given what it reveals about Fenris culture.

 Omegus wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Omegus wrote:


As for Magnus' supposed "unwitting puppets and spies" among the Wolves, that seems to have been a bunch of his typical know-it-all bluster, since they never materialized.

Well, it's true, is it not? None of these supposed unwitting puppets ever did anything or say anything, so Magnus was probably just trying to look cool in front of his boy Ahriman.

Have you read Prospero Burns? If not don't read the spoiler below.

That was the daemon/Horus/whatever. Try again.

 Omegus wrote:

Is that a valid distinction? Space Wolves are not some real organization where you can accuse negative writers of being libelous. Space Wolves are what they are written to be, and they are written to be either as juvenile wish fulfillment, or outright tools. You don't need to reach for the BL, either. If you look at the older fluff, where the whole HH was just a vague background story, Leman Russ stood out as the bullheaded, quarrelsome one. Even the supposedly favorable novel like Prospero Burns doesn't really cast them in a positive light, given what it reveals about Fenris culture.

I'm not accusing them of being libelous. This isn't journalism. I'm accusing them of bad writing. As for the rest, *every* 40K faction is written as some kind of juvenile wish fulfilment. This is about a game of plastic toy soldiers with lazorzzz. In spehss.

Furthermore, even if the SW are not a real organisation, they do have a core concept behind them. They're Vikings. In space. To contrast with the rest of the Imperium, they do still have a sense of honour, and will do the right thing, come Hell or high water.
As a concept, cool as feth.

Then it'supposed to be fleshed out in (for example) the (5th ed) Codex. Space Wolf Wolfy Mc Wolfwolf riding his giant wolf (in 1,5 ton power armour no less!) wearing his wolf necklace and his wolf pelt. (I've blacked out the passages concerning anything riding giant wolves from my Codex. They don't exist.) The gulf between the concept and what the HH writers have butchered it to is even wider. Now they're suddenly brooding, dark executioners, with no morailty or sense of honour.
So yeah. Bad writing. Not the fault of the Chapter, or its fans.

 Omegus wrote:
That was the daemon/Horus/whatever. Try again.

It was a daemon. Who could get into him because of Magnuses hidden one projest

 TheAngrySquig wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
That was the daemon/Horus/whatever. Try again.

It was a daemon. Who could get into him because of Magnuses hidden one projest

I have no idea what you are talking about. I suspect that is something we have in common. Get into who? The whole thing was a phantasm, the real Amon was far below next to his Primarch listening to Montarion being a little girl.