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2012/08/22 17:04:52
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
I have Eldar, Chaos Marines, and Tau. I thought of getting tyranids, but the price to really start them was a lil much for me, so I've just been working on my Eldar and Chaos mainly.
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2012/08/22 17:59:48
Subject: Re:How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
I'm a bit of everything collector! Started off years ago with Chaos Space Marines, and since then have added Ultramarines, Elder, Guard, Daemons, Necrons and Nids, and also eying up Tau, Grey Knights and maybe one day Dark Eldar and Sisters
I guess I just want it all!!
2012/08/22 18:35:09
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
Makutsu wrote: I never mentioned anything about my attitude against MEQ, and yet have not said anything about people being in a bandwagon.
Don't know how you can interpret so much from so little.
That person said that there were already too many MEQ in his area, and hence I said at least you're not playing MEQ.
As for my own opinion about MEQ:
I think that most of their models/gameplay are more bland compared to other armies IMHO.
Obviously YMMV.
And once again I have never said anything about being an elite over MEQ players or saying playing MEQ is a bad thing.
Just the way I read your posts I suppose. I got a vibe about your implications. I wasn't wrong in that I could tell you didn't like them, and purposefully went further to see how much I was correct. Nothing about you as a person was called into question.
2012/08/22 20:18:10
Subject: Re:How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
I have Eldar and Necrons, although I don't really like playing Necrons.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2012/08/22 21:12:59
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
If not then no, no marine armies with my Orks, Daemons & Sisters. That isn't to say I haven't been tempted though. Once I heard about allies I immediately started looking at Black Templar allies for my Sisters but turns out their strongly differing views on how you're meant to kill psykers means they don't get along.
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2012/08/22 23:05:45
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
If not then no, no marine armies with my Orks, Daemons & Sisters. That isn't to say I haven't been tempted though. Once I heard about allies I immediately started looking at Black Templar allies for my Sisters but turns out their strongly differing views on how you're meant to kill psykers means they don't get along.
I never could understand why the Sisters and the Templars do not get along.
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2012/08/23 01:57:27
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
If not then no, no marine armies with my Orks, Daemons & Sisters. That isn't to say I haven't been tempted though. Once I heard about allies I immediately started looking at Black Templar allies for my Sisters but turns out their strongly differing views on how you're meant to kill psykers means they don't get along.
I never could understand why the Sisters and the Templars do not get along.
Spoiler:
This topic has come up a lot on the forums, and is one of those matches that seems like it would be automatic. However the Templars and Sisters believe very different things. Sisters believe in the divinity of the God Emperor. The Black Templars, on the other hand, specifically deny that lie, and are practicing the worship of the Emperor himself, and are stuck 10,000 years in the past carrying on with the Great Crusade/Scouring.
Have to be sure to not get confused by the fact that they are both religious themed and hate psykers. Their beliefs are similar, but it's actually a very common real world occurrence for two very closely related offshoots to be totally irreconcilable. The best comparison is actually Space Shiites vs Space Sunnis. Cirrusly. Go look up the difference between Sunni and Shiite Muslim beliefs. It's crazy what these guys have been carrying on a bloody civil war in Iraq over for decades and is a constant worry in the region because of Iran's Shiite majority (where as the vast majority of all Muslims are Sunni). In the end, that's the kind of minor difference in interpretation that might make the Templars and Sisters not likely to get along too well. I mean, they're not likely to be violently antagonistic, but they definitely shouldn't be good friends.
The other part is that the Sisters are extreme rules lawyers. It's what makes them such good enforcers for the Ecclessiarchy and occasional tools for the Inquisition when hunting supposed heretics. The Black Templars, on the other hand, are running a heretically illegal amount of ships, Marines, and weaponry. So, in addition to being Space Marines (who inherently don't consider themselves subject to the authority of other Imperial agencies), they also wouldn't want Sisters around, tracking their movements, and snooping into the secrets of the Crusade Fleets, lol.
Source: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?345893-Sisters-of-Battle-vs-Black-Templars
Didn't feel like typing it out, so I copied/pasted something I read that hits it on the head.
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2012/08/23 02:17:22
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
And that's all good and I would happily accept that, if sisters and BT were at least Allies of convinence.
What it doesn't explain is why the BT are more comfortable allying with the Eldar, a race of Xenos pyskers, the guys they are supposed to really, really hate than their fellow imperium.
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2012/08/23 02:24:23
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
Madcat87 wrote: And that's all good and I would happily accept that, if sisters and BT were at least Allies of convinence.
What it doesn't explain is why the BT are more comfortable allying with the Eldar, a race of Xenos pyskers, the guys they are supposed to really, really hate than their fellow imperium.
I try to take it as such:
Black Templars allying with Exodite Eldar (as there still can be no Psykers) is more of a possibility than them allying with SoB. Since the Templars know that they are breaking many of the ground rules setup for Astartes by the IoM, having the police of the IoM (persay) around is probably the last thing you want to do. I think they would ally with someone that while being more disgusting to them, is less of a threat to their overall goals.
Additionally, I think comparing once again an Exodite Eldar to a Sister of Battle, the Templars may hate the Sisters more. Since the Templars do not believe the Emperor is a God I think they would take much of the Sister's of Battle's abilities/beliefs as heretical and define them as witches. Non-Witch Eldar vs Witch Humans, they would choose the Eldar (I would think if they are viewing it as such).
Even further, if the SoB ever thought that the BT were heretical they would outright attack. I believe this to be true even if they were already in the middle of a different battle. They would immediately start to purge the heretics that they believe to be enemies of the God-Emperor. This could cause more issue than an Exodite Eldar who, while likely to turn face on the BT, would be logical and only do it AFTER their common enemy has been slain. That would be overall more desirable as well to the BT.
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2012/08/23 07:01:08
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
After realising I make horrific rolls for armour saves i now go for numbers instead or stay well clear from good armour saves
Someone said to me, it's much worse to fail an armour save that's supposed to work a lot of the time, or even worse, be denied it, then to fail an armour save you expect not to save
2012/08/23 08:44:56
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
Madcat87 wrote: And that's all good and I would happily accept that, if sisters and BT were at least Allies of convinence.
What it doesn't explain is why the BT are more comfortable allying with the Eldar, a race of Xenos pyskers, the guys they are supposed to really, really hate than their fellow imperium.
I try to take it as such:
Black Templars allying with Exodite Eldar (as there still can be no Psykers) is more of a possibility than them allying with SoB. Since the Templars know that they are breaking many of the ground rules setup for Astartes by the IoM, having the police of the IoM (persay) around is probably the last thing you want to do. I think they would ally with someone that while being more disgusting to them, is less of a threat to their overall goals.
Additionally, I think comparing once again an Exodite Eldar to a Sister of Battle, the Templars may hate the Sisters more. Since the Templars do not believe the Emperor is a God I think they would take much of the Sister's of Battle's abilities/beliefs as heretical and define them as witches. Non-Witch Eldar vs Witch Humans, they would choose the Eldar (I would think if they are viewing it as such).
Even further, if the SoB ever thought that the BT were heretical they would outright attack. I believe this to be true even if they were already in the middle of a different battle. They would immediately start to purge the heretics that they believe to be enemies of the God-Emperor. This could cause more issue than an Exodite Eldar who, while likely to turn face on the BT, would be logical and only do it AFTER their common enemy has been slain. That would be overall more desirable as well to the BT.
Considering the most prominent piece of fluff in the Black Templars Codex is the Battle of Fire and Blood, where the Templars fought alongside the Inquisition and the SoB against a Daemon and his forces I find that hard to believe. Furthermore, the Sisters in Helsreach weren't exactly hostile to them either.
If anything it's a fething joke that Space Wolves are Allies of Convenience with the Sisters considering they've gone to war with eachother. A part of me is hoping that GW derped and got the BT and SW relation to SoB mixed up and that the BRBFAQ will fix it...
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2012/08/23 09:37:45
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
I have most armies with about 4000+ for each plus loads of bits and pieces for others
Dark Eldar
Eldar
Necrons
IG Space Wolves, Dark Angels and Ultras
Sisters of Battle
Orks
Tryanids
Chaos Marines and Demons
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
My main army is Wolves, but at the moment I only have 1 opponent, and he plays guard...so theres no over saturation of marine players in my gaming circle
Ive got a few bits and pieces from most armies, but the others that I actually have playable lists for are Chaos marines, Dark Eldar and Orks.
50% of my armies are power armoured. Pah.
2012/08/23 23:17:50
Subject: Re:How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
Buttons wrote:No option for non-marine imperials. I am a little bummed out.
Trondheim wrote:Since the poll did not include any options for non Astartes Imperial factions I voted Marines only
Pretty much this. I didn't vote because there is no valid option for me to choose. I have three armies all IoM, but not SM. I have SoB (certainly not MEQ), IG (also definitely not MEQ), and formerly WH: Inquisition (also not MEQ). I own no PA models outside of my SoB and a few Inquisitors. The only "Space Marine" models I conceivably own are my Land Raiders for my Inquisitors and their henchmen, and 3 Vindicators that I have solely for the Apocalypse Data Sheet that lets me destroy terrain (YAY!). So I would suggest adding an option for IoM armies that aren't SM or an "Other" option for people to explain. Hell, if someone had a full Squat army and another IoM non-SM army, they also couldn't answer. Just a suggestion.
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2012/08/24 00:22:46
Subject: Re:How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
Well considering all starter sets had Space marines of some kind its hard for someone not to have any space marines, and the ones you would have got are a good base for an army so why would someone waste that opportunity.
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2012/08/24 00:45:11
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
I have my own version of Space Marines (Named Section 9) alongside my Imperial Guard.
They are more or less going to be used as melee support and "Heavy infantry".
Armor, Infantry (massed "light" infantry), Heavy Weapons (tanks, artillary, etc), are covered by my Imperial Guard which takes up the majority of my army (and is the Primary anyways)
The "Space Marines" are going to have the Termi's and Land Raider as fire support and melee. the Other "Marines" will be used to defend my Tanks or push through heavy defended postions.
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2012/08/24 07:37:58
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
Madcat87 wrote: And that's all good and I would happily accept that, if sisters and BT were at least Allies of convinence.
What it doesn't explain is why the BT are more comfortable allying with the Eldar, a race of Xenos pyskers, the guys they are supposed to really, really hate than their fellow imperium.
I try to take it as such:
Black Templars allying with Exodite Eldar (as there still can be no Psykers) is more of a possibility than them allying with SoB. Since the Templars know that they are breaking many of the ground rules setup for Astartes by the IoM, having the police of the IoM (persay) around is probably the last thing you want to do. I think they would ally with someone that while being more disgusting to them, is less of a threat to their overall goals.
Additionally, I think comparing once again an Exodite Eldar to a Sister of Battle, the Templars may hate the Sisters more. Since the Templars do not believe the Emperor is a God I think they would take much of the Sister's of Battle's abilities/beliefs as heretical and define them as witches. Non-Witch Eldar vs Witch Humans, they would choose the Eldar (I would think if they are viewing it as such).
Even further, if the SoB ever thought that the BT were heretical they would outright attack. I believe this to be true even if they were already in the middle of a different battle. They would immediately start to purge the heretics that they believe to be enemies of the God-Emperor. This could cause more issue than an Exodite Eldar who, while likely to turn face on the BT, would be logical and only do it AFTER their common enemy has been slain. That would be overall more desirable as well to the BT.
Considering the most prominent piece of fluff in the Black Templars Codex is the Battle of Fire and Blood, where the Templars fought alongside the Inquisition and the SoB against a Daemon and his forces I find that hard to believe. Furthermore, the Sisters in Helsreach weren't exactly hostile to them either.
If anything it's a fething joke that Space Wolves are Allies of Convenience with the Sisters considering they've gone to war with eachother. A part of me is hoping that GW derped and got the BT and SW relation to SoB mixed up and that the BRBFAQ will fix it...
I hope for the same thing but I know it won't happen. Even if it was a mistake it is too big of one for GW to admit. I think MW was in charge of the allies matrix and since he can't tell his own excrement from the fluff of the game he just threw things together. Just rubs salt in my wounds though. Almost since the start of 3rd edition my main "collection" has been my own crusade fleet. It featured templars, sisters and guard. And many times during campaign games and such over the years I have used the armies with the WH codex allies rules to mix and match them to represent my "crusade".
Templars and sisters get along just fine. I can only imagine that someone is writing the new sisters or BT codex and really wants to put in a dispute between them. One that apparently puts the fact sisters of battle have invaded fenris as childs play.
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2012/08/24 09:56:05
Subject: How many people with 2+ armies have Space Marines in it?
Madcat87 wrote: And that's all good and I would happily accept that, if sisters and BT were at least Allies of convinence.
What it doesn't explain is why the BT are more comfortable allying with the Eldar, a race of Xenos pyskers, the guys they are supposed to really, really hate than their fellow imperium.
I try to take it as such:
Black Templars allying with Exodite Eldar (as there still can be no Psykers) is more of a possibility than them allying with SoB. Since the Templars know that they are breaking many of the ground rules setup for Astartes by the IoM, having the police of the IoM (persay) around is probably the last thing you want to do. I think they would ally with someone that while being more disgusting to them, is less of a threat to their overall goals.
Additionally, I think comparing once again an Exodite Eldar to a Sister of Battle, the Templars may hate the Sisters more. Since the Templars do not believe the Emperor is a God I think they would take much of the Sister's of Battle's abilities/beliefs as heretical and define them as witches. Non-Witch Eldar vs Witch Humans, they would choose the Eldar (I would think if they are viewing it as such).
Even further, if the SoB ever thought that the BT were heretical they would outright attack. I believe this to be true even if they were already in the middle of a different battle. They would immediately start to purge the heretics that they believe to be enemies of the God-Emperor. This could cause more issue than an Exodite Eldar who, while likely to turn face on the BT, would be logical and only do it AFTER their common enemy has been slain. That would be overall more desirable as well to the BT.
Unfortunatley these statements are all compeletly at odds with the published fluff on the subject and which has not been contradicted by the new edition - with the exception of the IMO badly researched allies table.
There is no statement in any fluff anywhere that the BT hate the SOB - the opposite is true - they honour them with one of their precious crusade banners and have fought alongside them as required (source BT codex)
Faith and Belief is very similar to the SOB view - they Codex heavily implies and the BL novel fluff (esp Hellsreach) that they ARE devout believers in the God Emperor unlike many other Chapters. In fact in that particular Novel not only do the BT fight alongside the SOB to defend a Temple and its Holy Reclics but the Chaplain threatens the Princeps of entire Titan battlegroup inside her Imperator Titan when she talks about "your God" rather than the Emperor as the God of all mankind as the Chaplian believes.
Xenos Witches such as the Eldar are natural enemies for the BT and should only be "Desperate Allies" - in fact if the allies matrix creators had done any reaearch they would have had the Space Wolves as Desperate Allies for the SOB and vice versa. Non-Witch Eldar vs Witch Humans, they would choose the Eldar (I would think if they are viewing it as such). - Very Wrong I am afriad - ALL Eldar are Witches - they are all psykers
Lastly although it may be that the BT are breaking Imperial Tennents - this is not widely known except to a few Inqusitors and even they consider it a low prioroity due to the complete and total loyalty of the BT (again source BT codex).
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I have Orks, Imperial Guard, Space Wolves and will have CSM or Dark Angels after the box launches.
Aurelia on Dakka (my wife) has Dark Eldar, and will have CSM or Dark Angels after the box hits. Shes also waiting for SoB plastics (or planning to bankrupt us if FW do the sisters of Silence as part of the Horus Heresy stuff. )
My eldest lad has Necrons
My middle lad has Tyranids.
My youngest gurgles lots and wants to eat said mini's if we where daft enough to give him one.
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4000+ points W/D/L: 7/0/4
1500+ points W/D/L: 16/1/4
2500+ points W/D/L: 0/0/3
or stay well clear from good armour saves
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