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I've had the displeasure of acquiring some citadel finecast models; and while they're easy to modify, I find their lack of "stifness" rather annoying. My Emperor's Champion's sword is bent (arrived in the box from GW with a slight curve) and I can't think of a way to straighten it out.

Any tips, ideas, tricks would be most welcome.

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I remember seeing a GW article on this a while back. They used warm/hot water. I'll see if i can find it.


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It also doesn't harden, it helps you get the sword back where it belongs.

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I really try NOT to buy finecast, because its so soft, flimsy, and usually a poor mold. If GW ever goes 100% finecast I will be outty as far as buying new models goes. I tried the hot/warm water thing on arjacs hammer and it just went right back to being deformed.... Hate is a strong word...but hate is what I feel.

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bring water to a rolling boil then turn off the heat source, dunk problem areas into the water (with tools of course, you dont need steam burns, trust me they are not enjoyabe) for about 1-2 seconds for swords/spindly bits 3-5 seconds for thicker parts (forgeworld vehicle accessories mostly) straighten problem part, dunk into cold water. that will set it, you cant harden resin as far as i know, but just keeping it out of direct sunlight and temperatures over 90F you should be fine, you can even keep finecast in your cars trunk for short periods of time if they are stored in battlefoam (it makes a good insulator so it doesnt get too hot.

EDIT: if you do it fast enough, you can straighten the parts with your fingers, as much else will leave indents and make flaws in the material

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jordanis gave out pretty good instructions, I'll put my quest to find the link on hold, lol.
   
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Their resin seems to hold a bit more 'memory' than other casts I've had to correct. To this end I do a double bend.

Heat and overbend so it's going the opposite direction. Cool.
Wait (usually a day or two and it's gone all it's going to)
Heat and straighten to desired position. Cool.

So much work for such high quality miniature lines. :(

   
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I am now changing my tune on finecast, they are quick and easy to re-position without risking weakening or cracking the material as you can get with metal.
They are easier to cut. Yes you cannot file the material but they are lighter and you need less coats of varnish to ensure a chip free finish on the model.

The lighter parts also make the more bulky and intricate models easier to work with when it comes to assembly.


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I'm not new to resin miniatures, and am familiar with having to heat pieces to correct warping.

But for some reason the finecast I've had to correct always snaps back to it's orginal, warped position. It's a colossal pain in the ass and has resulted in several weapon swaps for impossibly bent weapons.

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Ok so you boil the jug and when the water is boiling steam comes out. right so put your model's bent part over the steam and it will go really soft and then bend it to the straightness you want!

Easy I did this on my Farseer and Warlocks and It worked a treat!

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 Kaldor wrote:
I'm not new to resin miniatures, and am familiar with having to heat pieces to correct warping.

But for some reason the finecast I've had to correct always snaps back to it's orginal, warped position. It's a colossal pain in the ass and has resulted in several weapon swaps for impossibly bent weapons.


Have you tried holding it straight as it cools? Not being smart but that can be part of the issue, as it cools does it bend back to the way it was originally or just some of the way?

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 liturgies of blood wrote:
Have you tried holding it straight as it cools? Not being smart but that can be part of the issue, as it cools does it bend back to the way it was originally or just some of the way?


Yeah, it cools in the desired shape, then a day or two later I find it warped back out of shape. And yeah, it warps back to the original shape.

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The only thing I could suggest is to heat it a few times in a day while held on a jig of some sort before you release the model.


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 liturgies of blood wrote:
The only thing I could suggest is to heat it a few times in a day while held on a jig of some sort before you release the model.



Easier to just cut it off and replace it with a plastic part.

God I hate finecast...

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I had the same problem with my empys champ. I showed it to a guy in the store and he pulled out a kettle and a couple of mugs. dip it in boiling water for around 15 seconds or so, pull it out and straiten it then stick it in cold water. Done.

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 jonolikespie wrote:
I had the same problem with my empys champ. I showed it to a guy in the store and he pulled out a kettle and a couple of mugs. dip it in boiling water for around 15 seconds or so, pull it out and straiten it then stick it in cold water. Done.


Tried it. I'm no noob to working with resin, it's just that the finecase stuff seems to have a really strong memory in some instances. Really crap for such an expensive product.

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I appreciate the feedback!!!

Definitely will get to work on it, thanks!
   
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 Kaldor wrote:
 jonolikespie wrote:
I had the same problem with my empys champ. I showed it to a guy in the store and he pulled out a kettle and a couple of mugs. dip it in boiling water for around 15 seconds or so, pull it out and straiten it then stick it in cold water. Done.


Tried it. I'm no noob to working with resin, it's just that the finecase stuff seems to have a really strong memory in some instances. Really crap for such an expensive product.
I haven't had much experience with long thin failcast stuff (avoid it like the plague to be honest), but maybe it's not getting hot enough? I would think to ovecome the memory you'd really need to be breaking some of those primary bonds (without it turning to mush).

When I saw the new Tau finecast my first thought was "what, why??" because so many of them have long thin guns, you can even see in the OFFICIAL 'eavy metal shots some of them have saggy guns because the resin sucks so bad not even them can get it straight for showcase models.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Are you plunging the model after you heat it? Over the years, Forgeworld have occasionally had resin mixes similar to the more flexible Finecast ones(mine have all been fine, including Arjac), and I found that if I wanted my modification to "stick", I had to put the mini straight into a bowl of ice water after I'd heated and bent it.

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Why is it fantasy has miniature plastic kits but 40K has Crapcast. The majority of the minitature I have gotten really suck. Holes, bent weapons, flimsy and fragile as hell. If things dont change GW might loose a 20 year vet.

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It's cos finecast has better detail than plastic.
You do know GW will replace any poor casts?

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I had similar issue with my Arjac - the long Foehammer handle is positioned almost parallel to the base and thus tends to bend under its own weight. I was heating it with hair-dryer and fixing it, but it went back into bending again. So having straightened it again I decided to put it in the freezer compartment for 10-15 minutes. Needless to say, I ended up with totally forgetting about him being there, so he stayed there till next morning. Next morning I had some trouble, when I tried to remember where the hell did I put him last evening, until my wife came in and made some comments about things which she would really prefer not to meet eye-to-eye when opening the freezer and that "those small bogeymen" now invading the freezer are over the top... Funny enough, but the handle seems fine to me now - it's not perfectly straight but it is not obviously bent either.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
Are you plunging the model after you heat it? Over the years, Forgeworld have occasionally had resin mixes similar to the more flexible Finecast ones(mine have all been fine, including Arjac), and I found that if I wanted my modification to "stick", I had to put the mini straight into a bowl of ice water after I'd heated and bent it.


I haven't tried ice water, just cold tap water. Maybe not getting it cold enough, I dunno. I'll try it next time and see how it goes.

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 liturgies of blood wrote:
It's cos finecast has better detail than plastic.
You do know GW will replace any poor casts?

Bull! i have hundreds of plastics both fantasy and 40K. i will take plastic anyday for ease of assembly, ease of modification, and appearance. ;ook at the giant spider from fantasy. Hell look at 95% of fantasy they are all plastic and better than finecast in every way. stronger, cast better, cleaner. i have never had to do more than clean up mold lines on plastic. Finecast i have to fill holes, clean up flash, fix errors, clean up burrs, unbend weapons, replace fragile pieces. that and its more expensive. and with all the crap youhave to deal with with finevast the 'detail' you get is not enough, not even close, to make up for the aggrivation and additional cost.

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Ursa wrote:
 liturgies of blood wrote:
It's cos finecast has better detail than plastic.
You do know GW will replace any poor casts?

Bull! i have hundreds of plastics both fantasy and 40K. i will take plastic anyday for ease of assembly, ease of modification, and appearance. ;ook at the giant spider from fantasy. Hell look at 95% of fantasy they are all plastic and better than finecast in every way. stronger, cast better, cleaner. i have never had to do more than clean up mold lines on plastic. Finecast i have to fill holes, clean up flash, fix errors, clean up burrs, unbend weapons, replace fragile pieces. that and its more expensive. and with all the crap youhave to deal with with finevast the 'detail' you get is not enough, not even close, to make up for the aggrivation and additional cost.


So bring the finecast back and demand a replacement. Yes it's easier to assemble plastic, but I have found that conversion work is far easier with finecast.

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The hot/cold water trick worked great.

Thanks again everyone.
   
 
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