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Hey guys just wanted to throw some detailed info relative to sixth edition Eldar.
A tactic i have been employing with some fantastic results has been:
Eldrad Ulthran (Best and only HQ worth taking) other than another farseer maxed out minus runes of warding.
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-Eldrad is the ultimate buffing machine, and if fortuned, can make mince meat with his rerolling 3+ invul-save, of any CC units that don't Insta kill him. May take a few turns but it will do. If you fortune and guide the Dark-reapers, they will be damn survivable against any kind of fire. You can also guide the wraithlord making him viable anti-mech; however keep him near eldrad for wraithsight.
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5 Dark Reapers. (4 regular reapers, 1Exarch, tempest, crack AND fast)
-Dark reapers are completely vicious. If guided, with BS-4, you need 3's rerolling, generaly 2's or 3's to wound the vanilla marine. Here are the statistics.
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4 reapers,1 exarch.(GUIDED)
Reaper Launcher: S5, AP3, Heavy (2) <===(nice)

HITS
4 reapers: 8 dice, need 3's re-rolling. (5 hits, 15%)
(6 hits, 40%)
(7 hits, 30%)
(8 hits,15%)

Each dice has a 2/3 chance of being a 3+ to hit, weapon S5 needing a 3+ to wound toughness 4. giving you roughly (3- 5) kills. Rely on Exarch.
If no cover save thats 1/3 to 1/2 a tac marine squad in one shooting phase. The exarch mops the rest. Literally. ==>
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1 Exarch: tempest launcher, using Fast shot or crack (GUIDED)

Hitting (2-5 units per shot) needing a 5 or less for direct hit (33% chance for direct hit on die)
direct hit using BS-5 need 5 inches or less. 25% chance to be below 5, max inches on drift being 12.
This gives you a 58% chance to hit all (2-5) units in the squad. rerolling adds exactly half of your previous probability to your new probability, giving you:
58%/ divided by 2/ = 29 %
so 58%
+ 29 %
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87% total chance to hit all (2-5) guys with your 2 or 3 blast markers.
Thats 4 minimum dead marines to a max of 15 dead marines. Thats nearly a whole squad. Generally with cover saves needing to be removed as 3+ armor is negated, I will often use crack shot to negate the 4+ or 5+ cover. which also lets you re-roll wounds, which is vicious. you need 4+ to wound, giving you a 33% chance to wound, re-rolling you have a 33% plus 17% for re-roll giving you a 50 % chance to wound. thats 5 to 9 instantly, no saves.
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DO NOT SHOOT SQUADS WITH INVUL-SAVES, SHOOT MARINES.
YOU HAVE ROUGHLY A 85% CHANCE TO WIPE OUT A TAC-MARINE SQUAD IN 1 SHOOTING PHASE.
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Wraithlord.(2 flamers, bright L, Missile) dont forget hammer of wrath people... S-10, I-10 strike. monstrous so no amour saves. Camp this (CC/Anti-Mech) monster 6" from your dearest Eldrad, who should be stationed with the dark reapers. The wraithlord can haddle any body in CC and can serious flamer a squad if they get close, plus eldrad can join in when the wrathlord charges. for a mean ignore armor save rampage

I infiltrate 1 six man squad of pathfinders and deploy a full 10 man squad of dire avengers in a wave serpent

Pathfinders are best in a 4+ ruin, place them there, if possible to be used as a piss off unit
They are vulnerable in CC, but when OVERWATCHING THEY CAN REND AND PINNING CHECK AN ASSAULTING UNIT!!!
Had a match where 2 penal legions assaulted my 6 man pathfinder squad, pinned the first squad and got tied up with the second, long enough for my avengers to come to the aid in a wave serpent. They are ap1 when you roll 5 or 6 to hit, and rending when 6 to wound.

You know that you can't cause pinning on over watch right?

To take out marines, this is hugely over priced as well... Much like the rest of the eldar dex.

Reapers are over priced, under effective and very vulnerable... Compared to the other heavy choices they are almost a joke

I didn't think the MC ap2 applied to hammer of wrath attacks?

Hammer of Wrath is always AP-.

And "minimum of 4 dead marines" with Tempest Launcher? No, there is no minimum. Also, 4 is somewhat higher than even the average.

The problem I have with Dark Reapers, is that while they are good at what they do, they are trying to play other armies games. No matter how good Dark Reapers are, you will not be able to out shoot armies like Guard or Tau head on. And most other armies have either the ability to quickly get to their position, or simply shoot them into a bloody hole in the ground.

I suppose you could make a decent eldar gunline behind an Aegis with Rangers for Troops and some Dark Reapers, but then the Eldar codex lacks long range anti tank outside of Heavy Support.

Marines die just fine to Scatter Lasers and Shuriken Cannons, and anyway I just don't like units that can't either move really fast, deep strike, or outflank. If given the option of trying to outshoot an opponents aegis defense line gunline with Dark Reapers, or Trubo Boosting and DS Warp Spiders behind it, I'll take the second option any day.

Fast moving shooting has treated my Eldar very well in 6th.

You guys dont seem to see my pairing of eldrad and the reapers. Eldrad can make them reroll saves, and to hits. everyshooting phase. I play games everyweek, and in everygame i regularly wipe out a tac marine squad in 1 go. The wraithlord is a monstrous creature and uses no weapon to ignor armoursaves, the hammer of wrath ignores armor regardless. Ap- for any unit because they arent using a weapon is a base strength hit. The model type determines the AP in this case. And MASSEAN where is there a no pinning in the overwatch phase. and 4 is not in the higher range of dead space marines unless you roll like complete crap. Ive used the reapers im my last 30 matches, and he has never failed to kill less than 6.



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I understand the reapers are expensive, but at 48" and S5 AP3, there are specifically designed to eliminate tac marine squads. its quite simple. ALSO, eldrad specialized in divination, if you get lucky on psychic power picks, theres a power that lets a squad ignore cover, cast this on reapers and voila, marine sauce!

I have had great luck with Dark Reapers versus our Necron player. I put them with Eldard and ontop of a Bastion.

CorpseCommander wrote:
the hammer of wrath ignores armor regardless. Ap- for any unit because they arent using a weapon is a base strength hit.

This is false.

Also, I'm aware what Eldrad does with Reapers, and it's good. It does not kill 10 marines a turn though: not on average, not even when lucky.

CorpseCommander wrote:
You guys dont seem to see my pairing of eldrad and the reapers. Eldrad can make them reroll saves, and to hits. everyshooting phase. I play games everyweek, and in everygame i regularly wipe out a tac marine squad in 1 go. The wraithlord is a monstrous creature and uses no weapon to ignor armoursaves, the hammer of wrath ignores armor regardless. Ap- for any unit because they arent using a weapon is a base strength hit. The model type determines the AP in this case. And MASSEAN where is there a no pinning in the overwatch phase. and 4 is not in the higher range of dead space marines unless you roll like complete crap. Ive used the reapers im my last 30 matches, and he has never failed to kill less than 6.



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I understand the reapers are expensive, but at 48" and S5 AP3, there are specifically designed to eliminate tac marine squads. its quite simple. ALSO, eldrad specialized in divination, if you get lucky on psychic power picks, theres a power that lets a squad ignore cover, cast this on reapers and voila, marine sauce!

Someone is in lala land/bad at reading rules...

 DarknessEternal wrote:

CorpseCommander wrote:
the hammer of wrath ignores armor regardless. Ap- for any unit because they arent using a weapon is a base strength hit.

This is false.

Also, I'm aware what Eldrad does with Reapers, and it's good. It does not kill 10 marines a turn though: not on average, not even when lucky.

CorpseCommander wrote:


Hey guys just wanted to throw some detailed info relative to sixth edition Eldar.
A tactic i have been employing with some fantastic results has been:
Eldrad Ulthran (Best and only HQ worth taking) other than another farseer maxed out minus runes of warding.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-Eldrad is the ultimate buffing machine, and if fortuned, can make mince meat with his rerolling 3+ invul-save, of any CC units that don't Insta kill him. May take a few turns but it will do. If you fortune and guide the Dark-reapers, they will be damn survivable against any kind of fire. You can also guide the wraithlord making him viable anti-mech; however keep him near eldrad for wraithsight.
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5 Dark Reapers. (4 regular reapers, 1Exarch, tempest, crack AND fast)
-Dark reapers are completely vicious. If guided, with BS-4, you need 3's rerolling, generaly 2's or 3's to wound the vanilla marine. Here are the statistics.
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4 reapers,1 exarch.(GUIDED)
Reaper Launcher: S5, AP3, Heavy (2) <===(nice)

HITS
4 reapers: 8 dice, need 3's re-rolling. (5 hits, 15%)
(6 hits, 40%)
(7 hits, 30%)
(8 hits,15%)

Each dice has a 2/3 chance of being a 3+ to hit, weapon S5 needing a 3+ to wound toughness 4. giving you roughly (3- 5) kills. Rely on Exarch.
If no cover save thats 1/3 to 1/2 a tac marine squad in one shooting phase. The exarch mops the rest. Literally. ==>
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1 Exarch: tempest launcher, using Fast shot or crack (GUIDED)

Hitting (2-5 units per shot) needing a 5 or less for direct hit (33% chance for direct hit on die)
direct hit using BS-5 need 5 inches or less. 25% chance to be below 5, max inches on drift being 12.
This gives you a 58% chance to hit all (2-5) units in the squad. rerolling adds exactly half of your previous probability to your new probability, giving you:
58%/ divided by 2/ = 29 %
so 58%
+ 29 %
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87% total chance to hit all (2-5) guys with your 2 or 3 blast markers.
Thats 4 minimum dead marines to a max of 15 dead marines. Thats nearly a whole squad. Generally with cover saves needing to be removed as 3+ armor is negated, I will often use crack shot to negate the 4+ or 5+ cover. which also lets you re-roll wounds, which is vicious. you need 4+ to wound, giving you a 33% chance to wound, re-rolling you have a 33% plus 17% for re-roll giving you a 50 % chance to wound. thats 5 to 9 instantly, no saves.
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DO NOT SHOOT SQUADS WITH INVUL-SAVES, SHOOT MARINES.
YOU HAVE ROUGHLY A 85% CHANCE TO WIPE OUT A TAC-MARINE SQUAD IN 1 SHOOTING PHASE.
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Wraithlord.(2 flamers, bright L, Missile) dont forget hammer of wrath people... S-10, I-10 strike. monstrous so no amour saves. Camp this (CC/Anti-Mech) monster 6" from your dearest Eldrad, who should be stationed with the dark reapers. The wraithlord can haddle any body in CC and can serious flamer a squad if they get close, plus eldrad can join in when the wrathlord charges. for a mean ignore armor save rampage

I infiltrate 1 six man squad of pathfinders and deploy a full 10 man squad of dire avengers in a wave serpent

Pathfinders are best in a 4+ ruin, place them there, if possible to be used as a piss off unit
They are vulnerable in CC, but when OVERWATCHING THEY CAN REND AND PINNING CHECK AN ASSAULTING UNIT!!!
Had a match where 2 penal legions assaulted my 6 man pathfinder squad, pinned the first squad and got tied up with the second, long enough for my avengers to come to the aid in a wave serpent. They are ap1 when you roll 5 or 6 to hit, and rending when 6 to wound.

too many points and too many problems

1-2 battle cannon are going to kill most of your DR, even if you are rerolling your cover saves. missile launchers give you the same problem. Battle cannons and missile launchers are cheap and plentiful.

The wraithlord can flamer things when out of CC but once in combat he is really easy to tarpit. If 30 orks cross the distance they can sit in combat with him all game. Eldrad charging in is not going to change that. Even against marines, those str6 hits will eventually bring him down.

Pathfinders are good, but you cannot pin an assaulting unit and even a squad of 10 is likely to only get 2 overwatch hits and then 1 will fail to wound. Also Pathfinders die far too easily to everyones new best friend, the flamer.

Eldrad is good, he is down right OP, but there are better uses of him than sitting him with DRs and waiting to assault with a wraithlord.

Just a basic question at this point-why is the wraithlord getting hammer of wrath? Do all MC get that?

yes all MCs and all bikes jump packs and jetbikes
also cavalry if im not mistaken.

I am new to eldar so I was wondering if any of you have had success with a footdar list?
or is greater mobility more powerful?

 Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:

but the tempest launcher can tack on another 8-10 wounds,

Are your opponents aware they don't have to move their units around on movement trays and in close-rank formation?

Seriously, 10 wounds? That requires 20 hits.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:

but the tempest launcher can tack on another 8-10 wounds,

Are your opponents aware they don't have to move their units around on movement trays and in close-rank formation?

Seriously, 10 wounds? That requires 20 hits.

Of course they do. Where are you getting 20 hits from though? From what I can gather it goes....

5.333333333333333 Reapers Hits
1.777777777777778 Reapers Hits - Guide
3 hits - Tempest Launcher 1 Hits Avg
3 hits - Tempest Launcher 2 Hits Avg
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4.740740740740741 Dark Reapers Wounds
4.5 wounds - Dark Reapers Exarch Wounds w/ Crack Shot
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9.240740740740741 - Total AP3 Wounds

If we give them a standard save.....

6.160493827160494 - Total Wounds after 5+ Save

So without cover and Doom you would have a good shot at wiping 10 marines. With Cover they fair statistically a bit better overall, but if you calculate in Doom or you have any luck killing 10 Tactical Marines is not out of the question.

Cheaper and more survivable option.....

Aegis defense line
Quad gun
Eldrad
3 war walkers with scatter lasers

Guide doom and fortune
Death for enemy, profit for self.

Walkers with a re-rollable 4+ cover. I never thought i'd say it but that is a survivable walker. Eldrad mans the gun. If you want to give eldrad a unit to be in take 10 rangers and put them behind the wall too.

CorpseCommander wrote:
MASSEAN where is there a no pinning in the overwatch phase.

Page 21 from memory, in bold type

Check your statement again. You said a Tempest Launcher alone was responsible for 8-10 wounds.


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 Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:

but the tempest launcher can tack on another 8-10 wounds,

Are your opponents aware they don't have to move their units around on movement trays and in close-rank formation?

Seriously, 10 wounds? That requires 20 hits.

Of course they do. Where are you getting 20 hits from though?

A guided Walker Squad, and their targets having to reroll armour kills 8 marines a turn. Not a whole squad but good. Also a Walker squad with 4+ Cover can take more shooting compared to the same Dark Reaper squad.

For the person that said Flamers kill Rangers, this is true, but those flamers should not make it to them. Since every 6 is allocated by the Eldar player, the first wounds should go on the flamers, who normally can't LOS the wound.

Yeah i see alot of people are sceptical about the chances of killing a whole tac marine squad. The issue here is cover, obviously, if they are in cover, only the tempest launcher is going to hurt much. BUT you REROLL WOUND TOO with crack. Other than that, all your wounds are wounding straight with no save if they advance past cover. pathfinders are good to pair with eldrad but because i depend on my reapers and wraithlord for protection, I dont pair them with pathies. footdar lists are weak in my opinion, eldar have the best psykers in the game, i always pair them with shooty units. which they have a decent number of. Also hide eldrad behind a wall, no eldar psykers need LOS to cast powers, in codex above psychic powers list.

jbunny wrote:
A guided Walker Squad, and their targets having to reroll armour kills 8 marines a turn. Not a whole squad but good. Also a Walker squad with 4+ Cover can take more shooting compared to the same Dark Reaper squad.

For the person that said Flamers kill Rangers, this is true, but those flamers should not make it to them. Since every 6 is allocated by the Eldar player, the first wounds should go on the flamers, who normally can't LOS the wound.

but if the flamer is in a transport, or if there are multiple flamers in the squad?

 Humbaba wrote:
yes all MCs and all bikes jump packs and jetbikes
also cavalry if im not mistaken.

I am new to eldar so I was wondering if any of you have had success with a footdar list?
or is greater mobility more powerful?

I used a footdar list in 5th a lot and got some pretty decent wins, do not run straight footdar in 6th. Just about the only way to get it to work is to have a shield for everything precious, blob upon blob of guardians with conceal, wraithgaurd, and harleis with their new and improved 4+ cover from shadowseer. Otherwise you get to watch a lot of eldar get gunned down.

Heres the thing OP, I can take two or three (no codex on hand) wraithlords with more diverse gear for the price you pay for dark reapers, and wraithlords can take more hits. I like to guide them and lay waste with starcannons or scatter lasers, but hey thats just me.

 Exergy wrote:

jbunny wrote:
A guided Walker Squad, and their targets having to reroll armour kills 8 marines a turn. Not a whole squad but good. Also a Walker squad with 4+ Cover can take more shooting compared to the same Dark Reaper squad.

For the person that said Flamers kill Rangers, this is true, but those flamers should not make it to them. Since every 6 is allocated by the Eldar player, the first wounds should go on the flamers, who normally can't LOS the wound.

but if the flamer is in a transport, or if there are multiple flamers in the squad?

Yes the flamer can be in a transport, and Eldar have plenty of ways of dealing with AV 10-11 Transports. Guided War Walker squad causes 6 Glances or Pens in one volley of firing which is enough to kill any transport.

Multiple Flamers? You will be shooting more than once a turn. If you set up properly, you should get at least 2 turns of firing, and the rangers will not be your only unit firing at a major threat. At least it should not be.

I used to use squad of 3 warwalkers, unfortunately, in previous editions i often took half a dozen las cannons and still hung in there, no all it takes is a bunch of s5 dinky little pea shooters to glance me to death, holo-fields were nerfed. the new rules made some vehicles more survivable. but not ours. there was nothing more frustrating to any player than to shoot a vehicle with strength 8 weapons 6 times, getting 6 penetrating hits roll 2 die on the damage chart and get 1's and 2's in there, which spirit stones brings them down to 1's. now, all you need is 3- 1's. STUPID gak
ill be honest. I think you should have to get a penetrating hit in order to start dropping hull points. other wise that particular rule is a massive BS to me.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Check your statement again. You said a Tempest Launcher alone was responsible for 8-10 wounds.

I have had it pull out that many wounds, as there have been times launching it into groups of closely packed marines and both end up getting hits with guide. That will give you a huge amount, but even WITHOUT that happening you can indeed do what we were talking about.


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CorpseCommander wrote:
I used to use squad of 3 warwalkers, unfortunately, in previous editions i often took half a dozen las cannons and still hung in there, no all it takes is a bunch of s5 dinky little pea shooters to glance me to death, holo-fields were nerfed. the new rules made some vehicles more survivable. but not ours. there was nothing more frustrating to any player than to shoot a vehicle with strength 8 weapons 6 times, getting 6 penetrating hits roll 2 die on the damage chart and get 1's and 2's in there, which spirit stones brings them down to 1's. now, all you need is 3- 1's. STUPID gak
ill be honest. I think you should have to get a penetrating hit in order to start dropping hull points. other wise that particular rule is a massive BS to me.

Personally I think the new system is fine, but I think Holo-Field needs a massive buff to make it worth while now.

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Cheaper and more survivable option.....

Aegis defense line
Quad gun
Eldrad
3 war walkers with scatter lasers

Guide doom and fortune
Death for enemy, profit for self.

Walkers with a re-rollable 4+ cover. I never thought i'd say it but that is a survivable walker. Eldrad mans the gun. If you want to give eldrad a unit to be in take 10 rangers and put them behind the wall too.

Is the Aegis defense line tall enough to provide 25% cover for the War Walkers? I've yet to play 6th ed yet and have been trying to figure out how it changes the way Eldar will play.

I can't fathom that a aegis line would be tall enough to cover 25% of a war walker when the bulk of it's mass is taller then the aegis barrier.

Unless you madea custom aegis that is larger which has it's own issues.

 Sarigar wrote:

 Razgriz22 wrote:
Cheaper and more survivable option.....

Aegis defense line
Quad gun
Eldrad
3 war walkers with scatter lasers

Guide doom and fortune
Death for enemy, profit for self.

Walkers with a re-rollable 4+ cover. I never thought i'd say it but that is a survivable walker. Eldrad mans the gun. If you want to give eldrad a unit to be in take 10 rangers and put them behind the wall too.

Is the Aegis defense line tall enough to provide 25% cover for the War Walkers? I've yet to play 6th ed yet and have been trying to figure out how it changes the way Eldar will play.

Yes it definitely gives them a 4+ cover save. Which is GOLDEN for those bad boys. My turtle shell consists of eldrad, 10 rangers, 3 scatter walkers, and 10 guardians w/ scatter laser. Is it perfect? No. Does it survive? Yes. I have never had it fail. Its survived dreadnaught heavy flamers, drop pod sternguard with cover ignoring save bolts, and mass fire. Model positioning is key behind the line (heck I usually make it a half circle/ bubble t protect side flanks too).

Being generous, the dire avenger's head top ends where the bulk of the warwalker begins.



Dire avenger and a CSM for size comparison



Marines are just barely the height of the defense line tallest portion.


Even if the legs of the walker are completely blocked, I'd still have a seriously tough time stating that is 25% of the model. Note not 25% of the height of the model, but 25% of the actual model being blocked.

25% of the facing of the model. Infantry goes to at least the walkers knees if not more. The picture in the rulebook of the rhino getting "25%" for his cover is very generous. If that picture gets you 25% then so does the defense line for a war walker. Walker is 3" in height. Defense line is over 1" tall.

25% achieved.