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I'd give your left testicle for some jetbikes too.

Mine are useless, so if you're looking for spares ones, let me know.

GW is greedy, after all.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Mine are useless, so if you're looking for spares ones, let me know.

GW is greedy, after all.

Um...phrasing? lol Useless what...

In anticipation of the glorious new codex for the sons of Caliban I did a quick Mortis dread conversion.

Where did you get the AC's and Iconography? FW?


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Also, maybe PM me with that answer as to keep the thread rumor "focused"? lol

The iconography is from any random vehicle kit and the "torso" looks like the one from AoBR. The Autocannons look like thye're from the Aegis Defence Line, but I'm not sure.

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Mine are useless, so if you're looking for spares ones, let me know.

GW is greedy, after all.

Um...phrasing? lol Useless what...

Don't be afraid to understand correctly. I did mean my testicles!

Now that everyone is grossed out...

KM: you are a man after my heart. After 2 Mortis conversion, I can't get over how cool they look. And effective on the battlefield, to boot.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The iconography is from any random vehicle kit and the "torso" looks like the one from AoBR. The Autocannons look like thye're from the Aegis Defence Line, but I'm not sure.

It is in fact the AOBR dread, iconography was lifted from a Dark Angels Ravenwing Upgrade Sprue and a venerable dread kit, the Autocannons are an unknown, I bought this dread (unmodified) off of the Swap shop and it came with these arms. They are not GW or Forge World though. The missile launcher is from the Sentinel kit and the reason it's on there is because I misread the wargear listing for a Mortis dread. *facepalm* looks cool though, so it stays.

Fresh news, everybody! A new character entry for Cypher has been spotted today! You can find it at Apocalypse40k

 Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Fresh news, everybody! A new character entry for Cypher has been spotted today! You can find it at Apocalypse40k

IIRC Cypher lost his c'tan phase knife in the fluff and rules a while back. I'm reluctant to believe that this scan is legit.

It's not a scan, it's a photo. And BL is not cannon. Even if it were, GW could just use a version of him the day before he lost it if they chose. Everything's subject to change if it suits their needs; just ask the Newcrons.

Remember, there is no canon, though there are plenty of cannons.

"Everything you have been told is a lie."

 Son 0f Dorn wrote:
It's not a scan, it's a photo. And BL is not cannon. Even if it were, GW could just use a version of him the day before he lost it if they chose. Everything's subject to change if it suits their needs; just ask the Newcrons.

Sure it is a photo; but that is not the point.

While Retcons are always possilbe; the story was published in the WD as were the rules.

Compel wrote:Remember, there is no canon, though there are plenty of cannons.

"Everything you have been told is a lie."

Autocorrect, my nemesis.

Darkseid wrote:

 Son 0f Dorn wrote:
It's not a scan, it's a photo. And BL is not cannon. Even if it were, GW could just use a version of him the day before he lost it if they chose. Everything's subject to change if it suits their needs; just ask the Newcrons.

Sure it is a photo; but that is not the point.

While Retcons are always possilbe; the story was published in the WD as were the rules.

Well I suppose it's all beside the point. I'm not here to sell it to you, but just to present it as something intesting. I've spoken to the guy who took the photo and have no reason to believe he's lying and it also fits with November release rumors. So, there it is for those who choose to take it or leave it.

 Son 0f Dorn wrote:

Well I suppose it's all beside the point. I'm not here to sell it to you, but just to present it as something intesting. I've spoken to the guy who took the photo and have no reason to believe he's lying and it also fits with November release rumors. So, there it is for those who choose to take it or leave it.

Anyway, assumed this is a GW product, how come it's supposedly only availabe in spain and through which medium? WD?

Also Cypher has quite some stats, seems that GW decided that he is indeed more than just a space marine.

So, is that from the Chaos book or Dark Angels one?

Cause, Dark Angels would be... interesting.

WS-7 BS-8 S-5 T-5 W-3 I-7 A-3 Ld-10 S 2+

Special Rules: Independent Character, Deep Strike, Eternal Warrior, Hit&Run, Fleet.

Equipment: Artificer armour, Master crafted Bolt pistol and Plasma pistol, Frag and Krak grenades, C'tan Knife.

C'tan Knife: Melee weapon, bearer's S, AP 3, Instant Death

An interesting point from that page:

"This character is only valid in Spain for 2 months after the publication date (September 2012). If you want to use him in a non-GW event, consult the TO for permission."


So, we have mention of the same Stone of Infernal Fire which sounds a lot like the Hellfire Stone from Dark Vengeance. We also see that this character entry is only valid until the month of November, when the new Dark Angels codex is expected to drop. Looks like a form of confirmation to me, and one can't help but wonder what this means for GW. Is this for a specific event? Or could they be using new units in test markets? Some big implications there... Either way, we'll know for certain in a month!

Seems like a special event to me. I suppose we'll have to see if he's in the codex when it drops.

So if Cypher is indeed a solid release, does this mean that there might be rules to build and play a "Fallen" army included in the DA Codex? Why the hell would he be in it if there wasn't?

from warseer: "Photoshop to look professional and used to demo dark vengeance in a store. The person who "leaked" this says it was laying out in a GW store, the store owner let him take a picture, and then told the guy they made it for use in their local game. I'm not sure how any of that constitutes a DA rumor." <- so it has nothing to do with the upcoming 'dex?

Minx wrote:
from warseer: "Photoshop to look professional and used to demo dark vengeance in a store. The person who "leaked" this says it was laying out in a GW store, the store owner let him take a picture, and then told the guy they made it for use in their local game. I'm not sure how any of that constitutes a DA rumor." <- so it has nothing to do with the upcoming 'dex?

A valid point. Has anyone heard ANYTHING new that actually constitutes as a rumor? I'm dying for some solid material here!

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)

Cypher was going to be the bonus model in the Dark Vengeance Limited Edition set.
There was additional fluff that involved how he set up the events.
The model was replaced with the Interrogator chaplain and the fluff portions removed.
It's not a leak, it's not a fake, it's just something that went nowhere.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/the-truth-behind-cypher-leak-revealed.html#more

 Cyrax wrote:

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)

Cypher was going to be the bonus model in the Dark Vengeance Limited Edition set.
There was additional fluff that involved how he set up the events.
The model was replaced with the Interrogator chaplain and the fluff portions removed.
It's not a leak, it's not a fake, it's just something that went nowhere.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/the-truth-behind-cypher-leak-revealed.html#more

Y U Crush My Dreams?

I'm still holding out in hope, He'll be in the new book..... god I hope he is in the new book

A valid point. Has anyone heard ANYTHING new that actually constitutes as a rumor? I'm dying for some solid material here!

It won't be long now (just a week or two depending on the next White Dwarf release date) till we know for sure from GW what is coming November.

There certainly are a lot of rumors about what GW is releasing in November, including some Warriors of Chaos and possibly Dark Angels as most people have seen by now.

Here's the only thing certain so far about The Hobbit and December in the GW official statement below, so maybe we are getting something cool for a Warhammer system in November. I wonder how well this product for The Hobbit will do. It's been about 2 years since GW had a major release for the LotR related game systems. When Fellowship of the Ring was in theaters GW was selling their related gaming product in high profile massive chain stores like Borders Books, but Borders is sadly gone now and who knows if any large chains will give GW product that kind of exposure this time around.

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From a recent GW financial statement the CEO declared:

"What I can say is that we will release some amazing products this year. Products that will surprise and delight Hobbyists. We plan to do so every month, including December 2012 when we will release our new Hobbit range to coincide with the film. And... ahh, but that would spoil the surprise. You will just have to wait and see. You will not be disappointed."

from http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Preliminary-announcement-2012-final.pdf

 BrassScorpion wrote:

A valid point. Has anyone heard ANYTHING new that actually constitutes as a rumor? I'm dying for some solid material here!

It won't be long now (just a week or two depending on the next White Dwarf release date) till we know for sure from GW what is coming December.

There certainly are a lot of rumors about what GW is releasing in November, including some Warriors of Chaos and possibly Dark Angels as most people have seen by now.

Here's the only thing certain so far about The Hobbit and December in the GW official statement below, so maybe we are getting something cool for a Warhammer system in November. I wonder how well this product for The Hobbit will do. It's been about 2 years since GW had a major release for the LotR related game systems. When Fellowship of the Ring was in theaters GW was selling their related gaming product in high profile massive chain stores like Borders Books, but Borders is sadly gone now and who knows if any large chains will give GW product that kind of exposure this time around.

--------------------------------------------------------
From a recent GW financial statement the CEO declared:

"What I can say is that we will release some amazing products this year. Products that will surprise and delight Hobbyists. We plan to do so every month, including December 2012 when we will release our new Hobbit range to coincide with the film. And... ahh, but that would spoil the surprise. You will just have to wait and see. You will not be disappointed."

from http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Preliminary-announcement-2012-final.pdf

Sure sounds good for the Hobbit. But I am increasingly doubtful that they'll be able to squeeze Dark Angels into it somewhere.

See why wouldn't they release them both? Is there alot of players out there who collect BOTH SM and LoTR? I'm not sure there is. I would say they could release both at the same time. I know that DA players who are waiting for the new codex could give two #@$!'s about the Hobbit minis. Just saying.

Actually, more like three #@$! at this point.

Just saw a cypher model on GW. Should add some weight to the rumors.

Cypher was always on the website....

 Benamint wrote:
Cypher was always on the website....

Yeah. Cypher was always there. Way back in the day, he also had rules. According to Faeit212, the pics of Cypher were the original "limited edition" figure for the limited edition Dark Vengeance that, eventually, was replaced with the Chaplain.


On an other note, if they really/ever do an "allies-supplement/expansion", I think GW could really use the allies rules to make Cypher work. Use Cypher as HQ for an allied detachment for your Chaos Space Marines (and, possibly others, Dark Eldar? Eldar?) and you might unlock a limited list of (non-Death Wing, non Ravenwing) units from Dark Angels (e.g. Fallen Angels) to ally with in ways that is normally prohibited by the "standard allies chart".