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I was browsing the GW Website and saw this for £20.50.



FOR FIVE MODELS....FIVE MODELS!

almost the same as GW Rhino or Drop Pod (my Local store sells RHINO's and PODS at £21), What is going on? I bought a WH Elf set from the Old WH boxed set for £20, which had lots of models,.

I cannot see why this is £20.50 for so little.

As long as they only bring stuff out in Finecast when plastic has been considered first...

£4 per model is overdoing it, especially for non-HQ.

You think that's bad? Check how much a pack of three Fell Bats will set you back.

P T Barnum was right, after all. GW wouldn't price this way if people didn't buy it.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
You think that's bad? Check how much a pack of three Fell Bats will set you back.

Or 5 Bloodknights.....

 mwnciboo wrote:
£20.50 FOR FIVE MODELS....

You realise that's a typical per-mini cost for Infinity or Warmachine or Malifxau or Mercs (mercs is more) or, well, lots of other games?

http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/malifaux/guild-hunters/2176
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=270560
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=10011
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2790

People get shell shocked by the start up costs of Warhammer because of the volume of models needed.

Other skirmish level games can get away with not being seen as an expensive hobby because you do not have to plunk down $3-500 to start playing.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 mwnciboo wrote:
£20.50 FOR FIVE MODELS....

You realise that's a typical per-mini cost for Infinity or Warmachine or Malifxau or Mercs (mercs is more) or, well, lots of other games?

Yes, but you don't need 20 models to make a unit in infinity - 5 models is usually half an "army".

Has anyone heard of a skirmish game called Necromunda, 8 minitures for £20.50. Don't know who it's by but that's great value for money.

WarOne wrote:People get shell shocked by the start up costs of Warhammer because of the volume of models needed.

Hardly applicable to someone like mwnciboo who's been playing GW games for years.

chromedog wrote:Yes, but you don't need 20 models to make a unit in infinity - 5 models is usually half an "army".

I'm not going to argue with your point that a 40K army is more expensive than a warmachine or infinity army - you need way more models. However £4 per model is pretty average for many mainstream systems.

Personally, I think a bigger complaint with those HE models is why so boring? I know that uniformity is a bonus in WHFB but still... it looks like there's only three different sculpts in there.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

WarOne wrote:People get shell shocked by the start up costs of Warhammer because of the volume of models needed.

Hardly applicable to someone like mwnciboo who's been playing GW games for years.

Being in the hobby for so long can also cause a person to lament how cheap things once were as well. Watching the price of a tactical marine squad tick ever so upward can give one pause for reflection on "do I really need to spend $37.25???

 notprop wrote:
Has anyone heard of a skirmish game called Necromunda, 8 minitures for £20.50. Don't know who it's by but that's great value for money.

Exalted! (whatever that does...)

Every pricing thread it's the same back and forth.

First we hear how GW's models are more expensive than the rest, which is quickly proven false, then the Infinity/Warmahordes/etc crowd falls back on "but you need to buy more models to play GW" ignoring all GW's skirmish games, then we remind them of said skirmish games, then they say these games don't count because they aren't supported, then we link them to the model ranges still being sold by GW and the rules free to download from GW's site, then they finally fall back on saying the Necromunda sculpts suck or some such.

Is another price complaint thread what Dakka needs?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Has anyone heard of a skirmish game called Necromunda, 8 minitures for £20.50. Don't know who it's by but that's great value for money.

Exalted! (whatever that does...)....

It makes me feel better about wasting my time on Dakka rather than working of course - thanks!

Yeah it is an unfortunately all too common conversation used by some to denigrate other games not to some people's liking. The skirmish versus platoon/army scales is a different issue entirely and shouldnt really be mixed in with model price.

GW do offer some real humdingers for allot of money, but other companies seem to take GW as th litmus test of what the market will stomach and follow course. If GW are reprehensible (and they certainly can be) so are other for taking their lead from them.

I should point out that I work for a huge multinational and to me GW look like little saintly school girls compared to you so my opinion may be somewhat skewed.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 mwnciboo wrote:
£20.50 FOR FIVE MODELS....

You realise that's a typical per-mini cost for Infinity or Warmachine or Malifxau or Mercs (mercs is more) or, well, lots of other games?

http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/malifaux/guild-hunters/2176
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=270560
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=10011
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2790

Deflection Fail

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Has anyone heard of a skirmish game called Necromunda, 8 minitures for £20.50. Don't know who it's by but that's great value for money.

Exalted! (whatever that does...)

Every pricing thread it's the same back and forth.

First we hear how GW's models are more expensive than the rest, which is quickly proven false, then the Infinity/Warmahordes/etc crowd falls back on "but you need to buy more models to play GW" ignoring all GW's skirmish games, then we remind them of said skirmish games, then they say these games don't count because they aren't supported, then we link them to the model ranges still being sold by GW and the rules free to download from GW's site, then they finally fall back on saying the Necromunda sculpts suck or some such.

Haha very good, thanks for summing up the thread

(Although to be fair I've never heard anyone saying that the Necromunda sculpts suck! You would think they do, the way they are hidden away in a dusty corner of the website, their playing banned in many GW stores, but they certainly don't suck.. )

But regarding the 'not supported' point, I would be interested in knowing how many new players, coming into GW over the past 4-5 years, are even aware of the specialist games existence. Such a shame, platoon/squad level games or whatever, some of those specialist games (Epic and Blood Bowl in particular) IMO are some of the finest games GW has ever released.

On the upside of the specialist games, seen Mantic was doing scifi football, so if it's as good as bloodbowl was might save some pennies playing that instead of splashing out on new teams as mine vanished :(

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 mwnciboo wrote:
£20.50 FOR FIVE MODELS....

You realise that's a typical per-mini cost for Infinity or Warmachine or Malifxau or Mercs (mercs is more) or, well, lots of other games?

http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/malifaux/guild-hunters/2176
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=270560
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=10011
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=2790

Except you dont need 15, 20 or more in the other games to make the unit viable. Which is why in other games folks dont complain(among other reasons)

No one cares about spending that for 5 models when thats all you need. Or only need 10 tops.

That's not too bad they are $55 for the same Finecast box in Australia. That is $11 a model. The fell bats are $83 so $27.60 a model. Prices have a way to go till the level out in some countries.

As for Necromunda, I think that is the best game ever made. I had loads of fun when people still played it and ran ongoing campaigns.

At least you aren't Tau. Finecast only Pathfinders and Kroot Hounds? Both of which are important. It sucks! Also, trying to find used metal ones here is a big PITA for me.

How about Mega-Nobs or Fiends of Slaanesh?
ONE model and MORE than a box of 5.

buy em used

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Has anyone heard of a skirmish game called Necromunda, 8 minitures for £20.50. Don't know who it's by but that's great value for money.

Exalted! (whatever that does...)

Every pricing thread it's the same back and forth.

First we hear how GW's models are more expensive than the rest, which is quickly proven false, then the Infinity/Warmahordes/etc crowd falls back on "but you need to buy more models to play GW" ignoring all GW's skirmish games, then we remind them of said skirmish games, then they say these games don't count because they aren't supported, then we link them to the model ranges still being sold by GW and the rules free to download from GW's site, then they finally fall back on saying the Necromunda sculpts suck or some such.

Cannot Exalt enough, the day Dakka takes warseers stance and has one thread for whining about prices, and deletes all others the better.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Is another price complaint thread what Dakka needs?

Apparently people never tire of hearing people complain about threads they never had to bother reading.

 Pacific wrote:
(Although to be fair I've never heard anyone saying that the Necromunda sculpts suck! You would think they do, the way they are hidden away in a dusty corner of the website, their playing banned in many GW stores, but they certainly don't suck..

Some of them are hideous but some are superb.

It is a shame GW decided to shelve anything that wasn't their big three games.

You've got to keep the product choices easy for the kiddies. Don't wan them to get distracted by Necromunda or Mordheim when you can sell them more Space Marines instead.

. The fell bats are $83

Almost $10 more then a Land Raider here. That's really baffling.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
First we hear how GW's models are more expensive than the rest, which is quickly proven false, then the Infinity/Warmahordes/etc crowd falls back on "but you need to buy more models to play GW" ignoring all GW's skirmish games, then we remind them of said skirmish games, then they say these games don't count because they aren't supported, then we link them to the model ranges still being sold by GW and the rules free to download from GW's site, then they finally fall back on saying the Necromunda sculpts suck or some such.

I always thought the GW supporters conceded (well it's not as popular) when it is pointed out that the standard GW tournament army is 2x the cost of the standard Privateer Press tournament army.

Barfolomew wrote:

I always thought the GW supporters conceded (well it's not as popular) when it is pointed out that the standard GW tournament army is 2x the cost of the standard Privateer Press tournament army.

Conceded what? That you need more models to play 40k than to play Warmachine? Nobody is disputing that.

However:

1) There exist GW games where a complete "army" is cheaper than a Warmachine starter set. And you get the rules free to boot.
2) GW is cheaper per model. That standard 40k tournament army that costs twice as much as a standard Warmachine tournament army will likely have a lot more than twice the amount of models.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

2) GW is cheaper per model. That standard 40k tournament army that costs twice as much as a standard Warmachine tournament army will likely have a lot more than twice the amount of models.

From the BoLS spring comparison:
Orks - $573 for 80 infantry and 7 vehicles
Legion - $189 for 26 infantry and 1 vehicle

The Orks cost 2.5x as much but you get significantly more than 2.5x as much stuff.

It comes down to perception of value. Some will look at the total spend, some will look at how much stuff they get for the money. Personally, I don't feel that either is expensive (I buy a 40K army most years plus other wargaming stuff and it's by far my cheapest hobby.)