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fair point, i think it's a shame that it's been taken that way but hey ho, maybe it'll get better as a result of your feedback.

We’ve been playing around with what the next stretch goal could be and when we got this concept from Roberto Cirillo earlier today, we thought what the heck – could it be a female Corporation team?

i think they were slowing down, got this done and changed their minds on what came next and put this out for feedback.

 Black Nexus wrote:


i think they were slowing down, got this done and changed their minds on what came next and put this out for feedback.

If that is the case, they could have said so. Is it that hard?

I mean, this IS the problem. You think there is a certain motivation behind it. Others think there are other motives behind it. Your "reading between the lines" is fairly benign. Other people's interpretation is more negative.

But nobody seems to just take their word at face-value anymore.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Black Nexus wrote:


i think they were slowing down, got this done and changed their minds on what came next and put this out for feedback.

If that is the case, they could have said so. Is it that hard?

I mean, this IS the problem. You think there is a certain motivation behind it. Others think there are other motives behind it. Your "reading between the lines" is fairly benign. Other people's interpretation is more negative.

But nobody seems to just take their word at face-value anymore.

I know, right?

Why can't "well what do we have here?" be humour? Why does it have to be a malicious plot?

What do they gain by plotting to pretend to just get the concept art sent to them?

This doesn't make any sense. To formulate some grand conspiracy about concept art gains them nothing.

Even if Mantic is guiltless in this, after and precisely because they took similar criticism for the "clumsy" wording of their Forge Father MVP stretch-goal, I would have hoped they would try to shoot for a less patronizing tone, even if its just to be on the safe side.

I think people are being patronizing to themselves and reading into this. This "tone" is all in your head. Just like your last tin-foil hat conspiracy about the MVP.

You're seeing concept art months ahead of the product release and are being asked for your input as to which one you like best. And you think that's comparible to GW's information clamp down?

WTF?

People misunderstood something wrote on the internet?

Wait? What?

More on topic, the female team would likely get me to pledge into this KS

scarletsquig wrote:
Mantic hires freelancers, its main sculptor lives in France, and its main artist lives in the Netherlands. They don't have a staff artist, they freelance out everything, so yes the "just got this in the mail" comment is accurate.

NO! It's all part of a grand conspiracy to misrepresent things and insult people's intelligence for no gain whatsoever.

Mantic wrote:We’ve been playing around with what the next stretch goal could be and when we got this concept from Roberto Cirillo earlier today, we thought what the heck – could it be a female Corporation team?

What about this sounds like a secret conspiracy where they lied about having their concept art ready? What about this sounds like it's insulting your intelligence?

They were contemplating a stretch goal. Their artist emailed them some concept art. They shared it and asked for your feedback.

How patronizing! How conspiratorial!

I agree with Zwei to an extent definitely. I mean, I don't care either way about the speculation stuff, I never have done because I don't take the hobby too seriously.

I backed Mantics kickstarter at $225 and haven't bought any GW minis for over a year, but seriously.. the amount of weird entitled nerds that have some bizarre irrational hatred for GW on these forums is alarming. There are clearly double standards for GW and every other company, even though they are all doing the same thing.. you know.. trying to make money.

I could understand it if they were all teenagers, but we have grown men in their thirties come here behaving like hormonal bunny boiling backstreet boys fans who try to kill the singer because he didn't reply to their fan mail.

I backed Mantics kickstarter at $225 and haven't bought any GW minis for over a year, but seriously.. the amount of weird entitled nerds that have some bizarre irrational hatred for GW on these forums is alarming.

Again, with this conveniently non-specific insult that is being applied to everyone on Dakka who expresses a like of Mantic (or any non-GW company now, is it?). Time to get out the tarring brush again.

Since I'm the most visible Mantic fan on Dakka, there's no reason for me to not assume this is a personal attack, unless you'd like to clarify who exactly it is that you have a problem with posting rabid love of Mantic etc. and rabid hatred of GW constantly?

My posts about GW on this forum are rare and mostly indifferent, I even recently posted that GW price complaints are pointless.

Of course that doesn't matter because I'm not the type to jump to conclusions, but hopefully this illustrates why blanket statements like that are horrible, and serve no purpose other than potentially causing offense.

More on topic, the female team would likely get me to pledge into this KS

I'm definitely going to be upping my pledge.

i do wonder what's next though, do we think robots, aliens?

Any chance that the Warpath space-zombie faction will get a team?

Or will that make absolutely no-sense at all with regards to the background of the game?

 Pacific wrote:
Any chance that the Warpath space-zombie faction will get a team?

Or will that make absolutely no-sense at all with regards to the background of the game?

Holy crap I want space zombie athletes.

 Black Nexus wrote:

More on topic, the female team would likely get me to pledge into this KS

I'm definitely going to be upping my pledge.

i do wonder what's next though, do we think robots, aliens?

Well, they also asked for robot feedback on Twitter> https://twitter.com/manticgames/status/242941358585823232

Undead players controlled, most of the time, by nanotech, with reinforced exoskeletons. They feel no pain, have no fear, and play till they drop, literally.

 mattyrm wrote:
There are clearly double standards for GW and every other company, even though they are all doing the same thing.. you know.. trying to make money.

This whole discussion of comparing GW and Mantic puts me in mind of the old quip by William F. Buckley; if one man pushes an old woman in front of a bus, and another pushes her out of the way of the bus, it makes no sense to condemn them both as the sort of men that push old ladies around.

As near as I have been able to tell, Mantic is doing vastly more of what people are always hoping GW will do: listen.

 mattyrm wrote:
I could understand it if they were all teenagers, but we have grown men in their thirties come here behaving like hormonal bunny boiling backstreet boys fans who try to kill the singer because he didn't reply to their fan mail.

First, nice alliteration.

Second, there seems to be in these kickstarter threads an unhealthy level of personal involvement in these projects. Not the creators, of course, their involvement in completely healthy, as these projects do, after all, involve their future livelihood, nor necessarily the fans (Scarletsquig, for example, has done an admirable job pointing people to a project he wants to succeed).

But these threads lately seem to be attracting a kind of amateur malcontent. By that I mean people that have a grudge against the company for a perceived slight (not to be confused with people legitimately upset about failures in prior dealings, such as was the case with the Avatars of War indigogo). I mean people that are acting, there is no other word for it, personally offended by these projects.

It's honestly making these threads very tedious to read and threatening to drown out the actual discussion of the projects at hand.

 Buzzsaw wrote:


It's honestly making these threads very tedious to read and threatening to drown out the actual discussion of the projects at hand.

Agreed!

But, you do see what you've done there too, right?

Yeah, it'd be nice to get back to being a bit more positive. However, that's also a lot easier when people can take constructive criticism- not everyone is going to be 100% in favor of everything in a campaign, but there are things to love here, even if it's probably not for me (I liked their KoW campaign a lot better).

So, cease fire and all that?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:


It's honestly making these threads very tedious to read and threatening to drown out the actual discussion of the projects at hand.

Agreed!

But, you do see what you've done there too, right?

I've pointed out a problem with sufficient specificity that it's now plain to see, thus making your job easier and more straightforward? You're welcome.

Happy to help.

 Pacific wrote:
Any chance that the Warpath space-zombie faction will get a team?

Or will that make absolutely no-sense at all with regards to the background of the game?

It would make absolutely no sense at all with regards to the background of any game not populated by pod people. Anyone who would attempt to use The Plague for entertainment deserves to be incinerated along with his charges for gross stupidity.

 Buzzsaw wrote:


I've pointed out a problem with sufficient specificity that it's now plain to see, thus making your job easier and more straightforward? You're welcome.

Happy to help.

Not quite.

Back to civility and on topic posts.

Or, you know...

FEAR THE MOD HAMMER!


More on topic...this game needs the female team....if only so that I can play the humans and have a female "QB" so I can recreate the Starship troopers team....also a Not Rico MVP (as already mentioned) would quickly shift this game into SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

 adamsouza wrote:
Undead players controlled, most of the time, by nanotech, with reinforced exoskeletons. They feel no pain, have no fear, and play till they drop, literally.

Not a bad idea, as long as they pull it off so that there wouldn't be a billion cries of "TEY R NECRONZs!!! Mantic isa ripoff of GW!@" (while Stan Winston rolls in his grave and James Cameron rolls his eyes)

 scarletsquig wrote:

I backed Mantics kickstarter at $225 and haven't bought any GW minis for over a year, but seriously.. the amount of weird entitled nerds that have some bizarre irrational hatred for GW on these forums is alarming.

Since I'm the most visible Mantic fan on Dakka, there's no reason for me to not assume this is a personal attack, unless you'd like to clarify who exactly it is that you have a problem with posting rabid love of Mantic etc. and rabid hatred of GW constantly?

My posts about GW on this forum are rare and mostly indifferent, I even recently posted that GW price complaints are pointless.

You answered your own question. See the bit I bolded? Why the feth would you think it was a personal attack on you, when you just said two seconds later that you hardly ever post about GW?!

I haven't actually read a single post of yours having a go at GW either! So clearly It wasnt a personal attack. I'm curious as to why you would think that being a mantic fan = GW hater though? Can you not like both? Im sure most people fall into that category.. you know.. normal consumers who simply buy what they like? I have spent far more on Mantic than I have on GW the past 12 months, ergo, I like Mantic.

I also like AOW and Reaper and Scibor, I have purchased from all of them. What on earth does liking one company have to do with hating another? Needless to say, the two aren't linked, and I have been blissfully unaware of your feelings towards GW. I was merely pointing out an obvious occurrence on the boards in general, that some people take the hobby far too seriously and behave ridiculously as a result of it, but If I had to name the top ten "irrational haters" that spring to mind, your name wouldn't be amongst them, so you have no need to take things personally.

On topic, Im not buying in because I have 220 goblins to finish assembling. And obviously DV will turn up at some point as well.

Unless it becomes a really good deal of course....then... I can afford it I suppose... and I never did play Bloodbowl.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Any chance that the Warpath space-zombie faction will get a team?

Or will that make absolutely no-sense at all with regards to the background of the game?

It would make absolutely no sense at all with regards to the background of any game not populated by pod people. Anyone who would attempt to use The Plague for entertainment deserves to be incinerated along with his charges for gross stupidity.

There is plenty of room for more human teams and alien species before we need to simply resort to 'fantasy in space' teams. We don't necessarily need space lizards, space elves, space undead and such... Maybe a cyborg team or a team based upon underworld gene splicing. Hell, even straight up 'greys' with big eyes or something would be fine. I would take 1950's looking lost in space robot team... just not any more fantasy in space!

$155K hit and number 88 is in Striker along with all of this stuff:



they went with the female team next at $175 (and you can now add it to your pledge for $20). still some amendments to make to the concept art but I think it looks great as is so I've upped mine.

Lots of thanks being given for listening.

So if I understand right once the female team is unlocked I can pledge 170 bucks and get the female team plus all the striker stuff? Including 2 extra female models?

 ironicsilence wrote:
So if I understand right once the female team is unlocked I can pledge 170 bucks and get the female team plus all the striker stuff? Including 2 extra female models?

Yeah, do we have to up our pledge to 170$ now... or will we be able to add the 20$ later upon completion of the kickstarter? I am basically going to want 'one of every model' not included in striker.

yep, you can pledge the $170 and get Striker, the 2 female models and a team of 8 models for a total of 10, not to mention you have Wildard, John Doe and Number 88 which are all MVPs that will play for any team. you don't need to wait until they're unlocked thoug, you can pledge now and get them closer to the goal so it becomes more likely to happen. can't see it not happening with 25 days left but every little helps right.

@ nkelsch they let peple add stuff after the kickstarter for kow had finished but the thing with that is you've missed out on adding to the overall total which would be pushing them towards higher stretch goal and overall more models. still, shouldn't be a problem

It's good that we get few freebies, sowe can mix-n-match with the men's team.

This came up during the Sedition Wars kickstarter...for those of you who only have Paypal funds (i.e. no credit card), you can apply for a Paypal debit card here:

https://personal.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=marketing_us/debit_card&bn_r=o

Again, this isn't a credit card, but a Mastercard backed debit card you can use anywhere that takes credit cards like Amazon in this case. I'm not sure what the turn around time is but I think you have time before this kickstarter ends.

During the SW kickstarter there were some folks who wanted to pledge but only had paypal so I thought I'd mention it fairly early. The card draws from your paypal balance or you backup source if you don't have funds.

^ Only available in the US, otherwise I'd have got one already!