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Do we even know if the Zzor things are completely alien to the point of always being hostile? Or are they intelligent and capable of diplomacy?
One thing to remember about the Warpath universe is that it is a sci-fi universe that is not necessarily a dystopia full of endless war.
It's entirely possible that the hive intellect of the Zzor could carry out diplomacy with others and even join in their sports contests. There's no indication that this point that they are like the Tyranids.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2012/09/10 00:11:34
Subject: Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - $200k goal: DreadBall Season 2, free .pdf for all pledge levels.
frozenwastes wrote: Do we even know if the Zzor things are completely alien to the point of always being hostile? Or are they intelligent and capable of diplomacy?
One thing to remember about the Warpath universe is that it is a sci-fi universe that is not necessarily a dystopia full of endless war.
It's entirely possible that the hive intellect of the Zzor could carry out diplomacy with others and even join in their sports contests. There's no indication that this point that they are like the Tyranids.
Yeah... I get a much different vibe from warpath universe where every alien is not out to murder your children's children. Not all 'bug' races are mindless killing races. The Zerg have overlords. Even Starship troopers had brainbugs which showed they had mental understanding on par with humanoid races.
Anywho, who Cares. If they look cool, I will accept a bit of cheeze fluff to allow a sports team in a war-like space future. Scientist mindcontrolling aliens, diplomatic Overmind, whatever!
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2012/09/10 01:02:29
Subject: Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - $200k goal: DreadBall Season 2, free .pdf for all pledge levels.
frozenwastes wrote: Do we even know if the Zzor things are completely alien to the point of always being hostile? Or are they intelligent and capable of diplomacy?
A sport is a collection of mostly arbitrary rules, meant to shape the competition - the banning of the LZR Racer swimsuit is a useful example. If the Zz'or are more likely to cause injuries to opposing players, more expendable and less likeable, then they would be banned simply to prevent the sport degenerating into an all-Zz'or show.
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2012/09/10 02:42:39
Subject: Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - $200k goal: DreadBall Season 2, free .pdf for all pledge levels.
frozenwastes wrote: Do we even know if the Zzor things are completely alien to the point of always being hostile? Or are they intelligent and capable of diplomacy?
Yes, always completely hostile, the Corporation blundered into an area of space avoided by all the other alien races and basically woke up a hornets nest which has been attacking systems ever since.
I know, kinda generic as far as background goes, basically Arachnids from Starship Troopers... but they're the only alien faction out of the first 8 Warpath races which isn't just plain "X fantasy race in space" as far as background/model design goes, so I'll take what I can get.
They can fit into DreadBall without any problem at all, you just need to get creative.. mind control via implants /pheremone control /training feral zz'or disconnected from the hive to do tricks (I watched Dr. Who play fetch with a triceratops last night, why not teach the Zz'or to play ball games too?) /the whole team actually being made from robots that look like zz'or.
Jake is taking the route of leaving this "creative explanation" open to interpretation and speculation in the official background rather than defining it, since odds are, no-one in the Warpath universe has any clue how or why Zz'or teams started showing up on dreadball pitches apart from the people who figured out how to put them there.
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2012/09/10 06:22:33
Subject: Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - $200k goal: DreadBall Season 2, free .pdf for all pledge levels.
scarletsquig wrote: They can fit into DreadBall without any problem at all, you just need to get creative.. mind control via implants /pheremone control /training feral zz'or disconnected from the hive to do tricks (I watched Dr. Who play fetch with a triceratops last night, why not teach the Zz'or to play ball games too?) /the whole team actually being made from robots that look like zz'or.
Jake is taking the route of leaving this "creative explanation" open to interpretation and speculation in the official background rather than defining it, since odds are, no-one in the Warpath universe has any clue how or why Zz'or teams started showing up on dreadball pitches apart from the people who figured out how to put them there.
You miss my point. This is not total war, where you bring whatever the hell you like and the enemy can suck it up if they disapprove - it is a sport, a game. A Zz'or team can only play Dreadball at the whim of the organisers, and it is in the organiser's best interests to ban them to avoid the damage Zz'or teams would do to the sport.
If you want them to play a role, they should be limited to Dreadball Xtreme, not the official leagues.
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2012/09/10 09:31:46
Subject: Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - $200k goal: DreadBall Season 2, free .pdf for all pledge levels.
Dreadball could be a 'bread and circuses' style things
folk watch to see the blood and death, as well as the action, like Roman Gladiators.
We also don't know how 'limited' the Zz'or will be, maybe they have blunted spikey bits, helmets that cover their jaws to prevent biting etc, making their attacks no worse than those of a normal Guard
2012/09/10 09:34:40
Subject: Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - $200k goal: DreadBall Season 2, free .pdf for all pledge levels.
You miss my point. This is not total war, where you bring whatever the hell you like and the enemy can suck it up if they disapprove - it is a sport, a game. A Zz'or team can only play Dreadball at the whim of the organisers, and it is in the organiser's best interests to ban them to avoid the damage Zz'or teams would do to the sport.
If you want them to play a role, they should be limited to Dreadball Xtreme, not the official leagues.
Then again, it tries to shoot for a bit of dystopian future vibe and players already die frequently in the game, from what I've read. Wouldn't be a stretch (and quite in keeping with the genre) to say "the organisers" just want to push up ratings by bringing in an ever more elaborate, ever more exotic, ever more bloody spectacle (which doesn't necessarily preclude the option - also in keeping with the genre - of having the whole thing go horribly, horribly wrong at some point).
Orlando and Zwei have it right, the background in the rulebook mentions that alien teams are a huge ratings puller, and as such, the various Corporations that sponsor the teams will do anything to be the first to get a particular alien race on to the field, there is a large amount of money involved.
Bread and Circuses is spot on. Part of the appeal is that the dreadball pitch is the only place where most of the population can get a chance to see some of the more bizarre aliens that exist.
So, it's a combination of sports game, bloodsport and freakshow all rolled into one.
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2012/09/10 14:20:47
Subject: Re:Mantic DreadBall Kickstarter - $200k goal: DreadBall Season 2, free .pdf for all pledge levels.
Forget drug addiction leading people into a life of crime...this bloody Kickstarter business needs to be bought to heel.
Sadly, I don't have the cash for all this awesomeness but it is really nice to see companies getting to make all this great stuff rather than having to drip-drip-drip models out to get enough cash to make the game.
This looks great. For some reason, this looks like a 'suit' where the warpath ones look like robots where the legs were so thin they couldn't have a person inside. Whoever is doing these sculpts is on point.
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Alpharius wrote: I think that sometime between now and September 30th, I'll be in on this game!
Everything keeps getting better and better, and looking better and better!
I think tonight is a pretty good night to pitch in Alphy. You joining up just brings up the total amount closer to goalies getting in...you know you want to...join us...it won't be so bad...
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Mmm I'm in on this kickstarter and it's cool but I'm not a fan of stretch goals that give you the option to spend more money that just isn't a reward. Would have preferred to see get one keeper of your choice free with the option to buy the others (at $5 a piece) should you choose to.
RiTides wrote: Timetowaste- I believe he was responding to Holker, not yourself
RiTides is right - I was saying that I can see the additional goalie being added in as a 'stretch goal', and then about 2 or 3 pages of raging about how evil Mantic is for doing that as it was something they were going to do anyway!
what's going to tip you over the edge Alpharius? Why resist!
also, here's that new concept art for the Wyn Greth'zki model limited edition kickstarter MVP:
maybe keepers for the season 2 teams will be made available seperately like when the rest of the team has been sculpted. don't even know what the Female guard is going to look like yet let alone the z'zor, judwan or the robots.
@ Buzzsaw. there are still plenty of ways to get involved, even at visitor or guard and just pick yourself up a team or the rules. should be plenty of love for everyone
