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So, let me see if I've got this stretch goal right:

They're going to sculpt different poses. And give us these poses in the 14 forgefathers we're already receiving. So, they're not really adding anything. Since we already unlocked the 14 player teams in Striker. Plus, they really look like the same figure, just with more armor in each pic. So. Not much value.....added. Especially seeing as another kickstarter had $3000 stretch goals to add 5 figures being sculpted for casting. Now, you had to pay for those figures, so the cost was really only for the sculpting there. But, we're not receiving anymore figures in this stretch goal, the same 14 we unlocked earlier. So this one really smacks of money grabbing......

They're adding something in that they're adding variety to what we're receiving. Before, we would have had 3 or 4 molds spread out throughout 14 figures. They're paying for THREE all new molds. Then add to that the fact that for that SAME STRETCH GOAL, we get an all new piece in the form of a "Prone" Delver(Art that's up currently is for the Smacker Prone). That's pretty awesome for 15k.

Methinks there's a lack of understanding of what monopose concept art is

Yeah, those concepts posted are not the final poses of what the figures will look like. Worth mentioning.

I'm much happier with a bunch of alternate sculpts for this game, I can't see why anyone wouldn't be.

6 different sculpts is a lot better than 3, and Sedition Wars had similar stretch goals to this that people liked.

It directly improves the quality of the final product for every single person who purchases it, either through the kickstarter or outside of it.

It is a textbook example of what kickstarter funding should be doing, allowing a better quality for the models than would have otherwise been possible.

Also, they're looking at "wrapping up" season 1 and 2 at this point in the kickstarter, so expect a few stretch goals like this which simply flesh out the game and produce a quality product.. alternate poses and prone models might be less exciting than a new team or whatever, but at some point you have to dial things back a bit and focus on quality and options rather than quantity.

Dreadball already has more support from Mantic than Bloodbowl does from GW in terms of peripheral extras such as separate cards/ dice/ custom boards, the only areas where it is lacking are the number of teams, and the sculpt variety within those teams.

Sedition Wars did a similar thing they upgraded the basic game with a few alternate pose models.

Kickstarter isn't simply about free/cheap/exclusive stuff. It is also about improving the core product.

If only KS'ers are getting the alternate models I'd be slightly sad. I would like all boxes to get the alternate sculpts in the main game. I know this might not be possible until after the initial print run because they need to sculpt them.

Salacious Greed wrote:
So, let me see if I've got this stretch goal right:

They're going to sculpt different poses. And give us these poses in the 14 forgefathers we're already receiving. So, they're not really adding anything. Since we already unlocked the 14 player teams in Striker. Plus, they really look like the same figure, just with more armor in each pic. So. Not much value.....added. Especially seeing as another kickstarter had $3000 stretch goals to add 5 figures being sculpted for casting. Now, you had to pay for those figures, so the cost was really only for the sculpting there. But, we're not receiving anymore figures in this stretch goal, the same 14 we unlocked earlier. So this one really smacks of money grabbing......

So.. don't pay extra for them? I'm already happy with my pledge. The fact that I'll get some more variation in my figures is a good thing. I'm not being asked to pay any more for it, so I'm ok with it.


I mean, it's not that different to a stretch goal that you're not personally interested in that would cost you more money to buy into. Compare it to:
$270,000
ACHIEVED – Coaches
We’ll sculpt 4 DreadBall Coaches.
Coaches - 2 Figures + 2 Figures free! - $15

Now if you're already at Striker and not interested in a figure of Ronnie and Orcy, then that stretch goal gets you nothing. If you're at Striker and they hit this stretch, you get some alternative sculpts for nothing.

At some point with these things, people need to just be happy with what they pledged for, and not be overcome with... well, not salaciousness, but...

 scarletsquig wrote:
Also, they're looking at "wrapping up" season 1 and 2 at this point in the kickstarter, so expect a few stretch goals like this which simply flesh out the game and produce a quality product.. alternate poses and prone models might be less exciting than a new team or whatever, but at some point you have to dial things back a bit and focus on quality and options rather than quantity.

Yeah....at this point the fleshing out will probably include filling out season 2 teams so you can have 14 players when you buy the team with striker, coaches, prone markers for each team, and extra poses for each team. That's probably enough stretches to go all the way to $550-600k.

i can see them mixing in the development of new teams as well to entice the new backers cuz hinting at asterians suggests they'll be around at some point and it keeps it interesting and adds some spark.

Alt scultps - great for variety, loads of people have asked for it so good PR, better core produce

New teams - big story, great news, more variety overall and another chance to win over those that aren't necessarily interested in the initial 8 teams.

sounds about right to me.

Some more News from Mantic in the KS comments (questions & mantics answers/coments are in red, the white is me)

People asked if you needed to get one of each keeper in the $15 for 4 season one, or $8 for 2 season 2 as they didn't plan to get all the teams

You will be able to mix and match your keepers (have two of the same), my guess the season 1 and season 2 keepers still can't be mixed

Following requests from backers:

We will make coloured unbranded Pitch Upgrade packs available.

We'll expand the colour choice from Red and Blue to incorporate 6 more colours at the $20 DreadBall Pitch Upgrade Level.

In addition, for an extra $5 you can upgrade your Co-prosperity Park Arena Premium Game Board ($80) to to have different coloured components (the strike zone, subs bench and sin bin for clarity!).

Following questions about the White Mantic Boxs Ronnie showed off in the most recent video update (would teams come in them for the KS)

We cannot ship the Kickstarter teams in the boxes - either S1 or S2 teams - but they will be available as an extra bundle, we're thinking 2 for $5.

how many figures will a single box hold?

As many as you can fit in it! I've got 20 Skeletal infantry in one at the moment, but we imagine you'll use one case per team.

will the boxes fit the hex bases?

Yes. In fact the bases help the foam grip the models. If you are worried though, the models also snap fit into the bases and can be removed, so you could always not glue them on to the figures


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Another point that came up is that MVPs WILL count towards your 14 player team limit.

So it seems like if you want to be able to field MVPs you'll need to leave an empy space (or more) in your roster

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

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Another point that came up is that MVPs WILL count towards your 14 player team limit.

So it seems like if you want to be able to field MVPs you'll need to leave an empy space (or more) in your roster

I am curious if the team roster max is 14 models, and most teams will probably have 1-2 keepers and an MVP, why the boxed teams have 8 models?

2 boxes gives you too many models so 3-4 will go to the bitbox. 8 plus 2 goalies and an MVP is 11 which means it is harder to max out your team.

I feel like the box should include 10-12 or there needs to be a way to buy a 4-pack so someone can buy 12 models without having to buy 2 boxes to get 16 models and not use some.

I guess I am assuming the game won't require maxing your roster in a season the same way BB does.

6 on the pitch maximum, so the box of 8 already gives you 2 backup players. The Goalie is an upgrade from advancement so I don't know if you can even plan having 1 on your team.

I think it's more of a hot dog and buns scenario. 8 is enough to get you playing, but short of a full roster so you will want to buy a second box.

Well the keepers are only created when one of your guards does something really well (and rolls the apropriate upgrade), so they may not be as common as you think

As to why a box is 8, I suspect it's because that gives you a full team on the board (6) plus 2 substitutes for the bench

2 boxes will let you build a full roster in any way you choose, for example a human team box has 2 x Guards, 3 x Jacks, 3 x Strikers,

but a full roster team can have NO MORE than double the number of players at each position so you could go for

4x Guard/Keeper, 4x Jacks, 6x Striker
or
2x Guard/Keeper, 6xJack, 6x Striker
etc

Mantic posted this earlier

Creator Mantic Games about 3 hours ago

The maximum number of players you can have on your roster is 14, and this includes MVPs and Free Agents. You're going to have to be VERY unlucky with your army checks to get through all of your subs!

We will be releasing a team upgrade pack where you can add a smaller amount of models to your teams though.




So it looks like you will be able to buy smaller booster packs later.

 DaveC wrote:

The maximum number of players you can have on your roster is 14, and this includes MVPs and Free Agents. You're going to have to be VERY unlucky with your army checks to get through all of your subs!

Sorry but what are Free Agents and what do they do?

My guess is that free agents are normal players of a different race you might want to add to you team

(for mixed teams which will probably arive in season 3/Ultimate Dreadball)

free agents are "free" models you get to include in your roster if you are playing in a league against a team with a higher ranking than yours to balance out play they are like extra player of different species so you can could have a forge father guard in your corporation team if you roll right.

 DaveC wrote:
The maximum number of players you can have on your roster is 14, and this includes MVPs and Free Agents. You're going to have to be VERY unlucky with your army checks to get through all of your subs!

From what I read in the rules preview, to put someone out of the game, it looks like you have to beat their armor roll by 4 successes on a 3 die test. It's not impossible when you factor in modifiers, like guard and coaching dice, but I can't see it happening all that often.

Preview of Number 88 MVP from the kickstarter:




Looking good, the KS is currently at $380,000. Were not far off the next 2 goals.

Less than 17k until the next set of stretch goals.

 adamsouza wrote:
6 on the pitch maximum, so the box of 8 already gives you 2 backup players. The Goalie is an upgrade from advancement so I don't know if you can even plan having 1 on your team.
I think it's more of a hot dog and buns scenario. 8 is enough to get you playing, but short of a full roster so you will want to buy a second box.

Assuming I enjoy the game, I'll just convert any extras I need from various Warpath, Warhammer & 40k Plastics. The various archetypes aren't exactly hard to match with existing ranges...

Having the extras players via the Kickstarter will be handy for us, as the team boxes at retail level are still quite lacking - both in numbers and not having the bases included. This will probably hurt them in the long run, though it won't effect me as I'll have the complete game.

Man, I really hope we get all the prones and the cheerleaders at least...

 scipio.au wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
6 on the pitch maximum, so the box of 8 already gives you 2 backup players. The Goalie is an upgrade from advancement so I don't know if you can even plan having 1 on your team.
I think it's more of a hot dog and buns scenario. 8 is enough to get you playing, but short of a full roster so you will want to buy a second box.

Assuming I enjoy the game, I'll just convert any extras I need from various Warpath, Warhammer & 40k Plastics. The various archetypes aren't exactly hard to match with existing ranges...

Having the extras players via the Kickstarter will be handy for us, as the team boxes at retail level are still quite lacking - both in numbers and not having the bases included. This will probably hurt them in the long run, though it won't effect me as I'll have the complete game.

I agree. The extra models were a factor in me getting the Kickstarter version over waiting for retail. If weren't for all the goodies thrown in with Striker I would probably never have bought a ForgeFarther or Veermen team.

385K achived, so the Forge Father team is upgraded with alt poses and a prone player is added to striker

now on to the painmaster himself at 400K


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A new update with art for the FF prone token



plus a peek ahead to cheerleaders

What do you think?

Heath has produced this great piece of concept art for the Denton Dazzlers Cheerleaders as a possible future stretch goal!



Much like the action on the pitch, DreadBall Cheerleading is a physical sport in its own right and, if Catalina Luvan’s right hook on Goblin Stunner Kruela Dancov is anything to go by, it can be just as bloody. For the most part, DreadBall Cheerleading Troupes belong to individual Stadiums rather than specific teams (though some wealthy Corporation owners employ their own as well) and gone are the days of the Pom-Pom – Cheerleaders instead wear energized Flexire skirts and carry sophisticated ‘shields’ that shimmer with trails of bright colours, team logos, point-scoring explosions and half time advertising. They also make great protection when the crowd starts getting rowdy and begin throwing things…

Jake already has the in-game mechanic for the cheerleaders nailed on and these models will be used in game, so let us know what you think!

PS: There are now only 145 pre-Christmas shipping guaranteed Striker! packages left so if your mates or club members are thinking about getting in on the game, now is the time to get them to do it!

Cheerleaders look great! Really liking this new concept artist, there's a great sense of playfulness in those sketches, which is exactly what you want for a game like this.

Kickstarter commenters are raging about sexism because there aren't any male cheerleaders.

I am really, really hoping Mantic does a hairy male FF cheerleader in nothing but a Borat mankini now, with a nice big "we have listened to your feedback, and here he is!" header for the update.

Cheerleader concepts look great. But will they do them with clear plastic? Will be interesting to see of the transparent parts make it to the final mini (if they make it).

I'm all for that, confound folks expectation

We got Anne Marie Helder, and nobody was expecting her (if the sculpt matches the art it will be one of my favorites)

so now we need Beefcake cheerleaders too!

and we're down to 134 preXmas striker's

 scarletsquig wrote:
Cheerleaders look great! Really liking this new concept artist, there's a great sense of playfulness in those sketches, which is exactly what you want for a game like this.

Me too, but I'm biased.

Here is a bit more of his art: http://artofhf.wordpress.com/

@Cyporiean: Haha...of course you are.

Both artists are good...the previous one gave us the judwan, z'zor and robots...all of which are keeping me as a backer. Without them I think i may have dropped. Or was it the new artist? I dunno, but I can't wait for the robots.

Love the cheerleader concepts! I would like to see the transparent bits made in see through plastic. Pretty sure that would be extremely hard to pull of though.

 Commander Cain wrote:
Love the cheerleader concepts! I would like to see the transparent bits made in see through plastic. Pretty sure that would be extremely hard to pull of though.

as soon as the art went up several of us asked for the skirt not to be sculpted, just slots so we could stick in a bit of printed clear plastic.

I think we'll have to have the electro-poms cast though, but as those only have the team logo on it will be easier to paint