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 notprop wrote:
There's British armour to support the GI's. Two platoons worth infact.

Huzzah!

What I'd really like is to base games around the North Africa conflict. No Americans there (well not many anyway)

Looks rather nice, though I have had my reservations about getting into a proper "historical" game due to generally historical players being a little more uppity about not having accurate schemes etc. and the games lacking the "sandbox" nature of a work of fiction, but FOW is slowly luring me to their cause. Always wanted to do some ind of Soviet horde army.

Plus we get a new spin on a old meme with the boxart.

 Flashman wrote:
...What I'd really like is to base games around the North Africa conflict. No Americans there (well not many anyway)

Whaaaa?

The thousands of Americans who participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign would like to disagree with you.

If you meant "Western Desert" which typically means Libya and Egypt I agree.

BTW, for those interested the 82nd Airborne participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign.

 Consul Scipio wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
...What I'd really like is to base games around the North Africa conflict. No Americans there (well not many anyway)

Whaaaa?

The thousands of Americans who participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign would like to disagree with you.

If you meant "Western Desert" which typically means Libya and Egypt I agree.

BTW, for those interested the 82nd Airborne participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign.

Pfft, we'd already won North Africa by the time you guys showed up

NVM, I didn't see the other posts.

 Consul Scipio wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
...What I'd really like is to base games around the North Africa conflict. No Americans there (well not many anyway)

Whaaaa?

The thousands of Americans who participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign would like to disagree with you.

If you meant "Western Desert" which typically means Libya and Egypt I agree.

BTW, for those interested the 82nd Airborne participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign.

North Africa was basically a training excerise for the US troops, they didn't exactly shower themselves in glory.

Hi, I just found this offer from Wayland Games when browsing for easily accesible to buy starter sets. You can probably buy them cheaper with smaller online stores but Wayalnd Games is also offering free shopping and a nice discount of 10% bringing down the cost of the set to £45. If somebody else knows an even cheaper source which includes worldwide shipping please let me know.



Here's a link to thier offer and you may even receive a free copy of Devil's Charge when you decide to order some more FOW stuff (offer when combined £100)!

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/idevaffiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=244

Cheers and hoping for even cheaper options as I can't find the kit on the battlefront website for some reason only the first starterset with the tanks is shown.

Palindrome wrote:

 Consul Scipio wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
...What I'd really like is to base games around the North Africa conflict. No Americans there (well not many anyway)

Whaaaa?

The thousands of Americans who participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign would like to disagree with you.

If you meant "Western Desert" which typically means Libya and Egypt I agree.

BTW, for those interested the 82nd Airborne participated in Operation Torch and the Tunisia Campaign.

North Africa was basically a training excerise for the US troops, they didn't exactly shower themselves in glory.

...and this, boys and girls, is how historical wargamers usually end up starting flamewars.

Bolognesus wrote:

...and this, boys and girls, is how historical wargamers usually end up starting flamewars.

And this is how Flames of War got its name

Maybe in the future there might be more starter packs for other eras in the war. Though doubtful (and they will likely include germans!)

Seeing as they still don't have the Pacific covered, Germany it is.

For those interested, the specific area that this box set comes from would most closely be approximaetd with the Operation: Market Garden series of books (A Bridge too Far, Hells Highway).

I did a rough point out, and the allied forces are just about 1000 points of CV british armored with us para support. The Germans are only about 800 of CV, but you could probably stretch them into FV SS troops and increase the point count.

I've seem some other discussion of where 3 boxes would pretty much give you three different 1500 point armies (US para, Brit armored, German Grenadier or German StuG)

You are still going to hit sticker shock if you want the things that aren't in this box. Like artillery. A basic artillery unit is going to hit you for $75-$100 retail. And if you want to stick to BF models, don't go into Russian armies with a weak checking account.

Bolognesus wrote:

...and this, boys and girls, is how historical wargamers usually end up starting flamewars.

Even General Patton said so

So what era is this starter set aimed for? (I'm new, but I've read enough to know that question is important.)

I'm assuming that getting the current set Auctung! would be redundant with this set? Meaning, you couldn't really use 6 shermans or 5 StuG's in the same army, right?

The set is Late War.

Just been perusing FoW website. It's like the GW website 5 years ago.

I hope to God that the FoW approach represents the better business strategy.

 BrookM wrote:
The set is Late War.

Thanks, any elements that could be mid-war? What about combining with the Auchtung! set?

The Infantry, StuGs and Shermans. Basically everything but the Fireflies and the Panzerfausts/shreks.

You can certainly use 6 shermans or 5 stugs in one army. I think I've had as many as 10 Stugs on the table in my Finnish army (7 Finnish, 3 German).

The rule book is redundant, but I think if I was going to share with a buddy and needed two rule books, it would certainly be a good place to start.

For mid war....I think the shermans are usable for the british. The Sherman V might be a variation too late, but I do know Shermans are available to midwar brits. The American paras I don't think are in any midwar list, but unless the models are -super- para specific, they could pass as any US infantry model.

The Germans, short of the panzerschrek and panzerfausts should all be useable in mid-war. There might be a few bits of kit that are not of that era, but other than hard core rivet counters, most players aren't going to bat an eye.

Now, you will be paying a premium for Shermans and Stugs and PaK 40s in mid war, but there are lists out there with them.

Shotgun wrote:

For mid war....I think the shermans are usable for the british. The Sherman V might be a variation too late, but I do know Shermans are available to midwar brits.

To be honest there isn't a huge amount of visual variation between 75mm armed Shermans. The main difference is that the early models (Sherman I and II) had a smooth curved hull and the later models (III - V) had an angular hull but as the angular hull started being used in 1943 so its not much of an issue. There are smaller differences of course, hatche placement and the like. but it really depends on how much of a rivet counter you are.

 Flashman wrote:

 notprop wrote:
There's British armour to support the GI's. Two platoons worth infact.

Huzzah!

What I'd really like is to base games around the North Africa conflict. No Americans there (well not many anyway)

Huzzah indeed.

I have one of Battlefront's plastic shermans and they are quite good.

If the American (or even German) infantry don't take your fancy i'd be happy to buy them off of you. I might even have some spare British Paras around here somewhere for a swap?

I have been sent some sprues from the set and the paras are quite specifically paras due to the helmets. However they could easily be brit paras with the appropriate paint job.


The germans are a lot more generic and could cover lots of units. The firefly is quite nice to, better than PSC.

The infantry also has very clear crisp detail and looks more substancial than PSC. Cant wait for the set tonbe released!

wana10 wrote:UK₤ Price £50.00
Euro€ Price €60.00
US$ Price $70.00
Aus$ Price $80.00
NZ$ Price $95.00

Converting to USD:

UK Price $78.93
Euro Price $75.73
US Price $70.00
Aus Price $82.39
NZ Price $75.83

Sucks to be Australian. I mean, it sucks to be Australian anyway, but still...

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Actually they even offered FoW to GW and they declined since they decided that "not enough people would play such a game".

Not at the prices they'd want to charge for their minis. Or rather, not without proxying. *grumble* bloody historical minis companies parasitising GW's IP and undercutting them *grumble*

kenshin620 wrote:New pics

Oh, thank god. The plastic paras were looking like bobbleheads in a photo that was circulating but it was just a trick of perspective.

More pics. German 7.5cm PaK40 and the V1 rocket terrain/thingy

Looking forward to the release of this bad boy. My only concern though is that some of these parts look rather fragile and fiddly.

What does a V1 rocket launcher has to do in a starter set? Their target were cities several hundred kilometers away.

 Kroothawk wrote:
What does a V1 rocket launcher has to do in a starter set? Their target were cities several hundred kilometers away.

Objective marker I'd assume.

I imagine its an objective for a starter scenario. Protect/destroy the V1.

I think it's a decent (not great) value. The models look good, but the germans still have marshmellow helmets.

I bought FoW when it first came out. I didn't care for the tiny metal men and infantry having only a single stat. That starter set, with mini rule book and it's awesome plastic figures, looks super sexy and is givng me ideas.

In this thread people are comparing it to 40K, have the rules significantly changed since it's initial release, because I didn't see any resemblance to 40K at all back then ?

It's better than 40k IMO.

When I was growing up watching war films I don't remember seeing any ultramarines! For that reason, FOW will always have more appeal.