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 nomsheep wrote:
I got fired for not smiling. this is nothing.

My boss often says that, Thats why he stuck me as a cook. Why Should I smile, Its not like its going ot make their soda taste any better.

 dogma wrote:
Can I wear a skirt while I work at Burger King?

Yes, but only if you claim it's for religious reasons.

 Melissia wrote:

 dogma wrote:
Can I wear a skirt while I work at Burger King?

Yes, but only if you claim it's for religious reasons.

You don't have to be religious if your a Scotsman!

My Teacher who studied in scotland said they dont wear anything under that, is that true?

Indeedly. Turn your eyes when they try ballet, or just make any sudden movements.

Matty..........you need to lay out in the sun more.....

 Jihadin wrote:
Matty..........you need to lay out in the sun more.....

feth off that's not me mate, I just googled "cooking in a kilt"

 nomsheep wrote:
I got fired for not smiling. this is nothing.

That doesn't have anything to do with religious discrimination though. This does.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
My Teacher who studied in scotland said they dont wear anything under that, is that true?

Yeah apparently its against the rules, not that I've worn one. But my Grandad said so and he was a jock, but I'm an Englishman, so a kilts just a skirt to me.

She wasn't fired due to religious discrimination, though. The issue was with her clothing. The reason she wore it is completely beside the point.

As an aside, what's the Pentacostal position on short shorts? WHO DOESN'T LIKE SHORT SHORTS?!?

Also, can Dogma wear short shorts while working at BK?

feth off that's not me mate, I just googled "cooking in a kilt"

Attempting to "delete" this post exchange from my mind.....

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
As an aside, what's the Pentacostal position on short shorts? WHO DOESN'T LIKE SHORT SHORTS?!?

Pretty sure their position on short shorts would be negative. Very, very negative...

 Monster Rain wrote:
She wasn't fired due to religious discrimination, though. The issue was with her clothing. The reason she wore it is completely beside the point.

Employers have to make reasonable accommodations for their employees' religious beliefs, which can involve clothing worn for religious reasons. They would have to prove that the clothing posed a health or safety risk, which I admit could be possible, but it depends on the type and length of the skirt and her duties as a cashier. We haven't seen a picture of the skirt she was actually wearing for work yet, have we? Without a photo, whether or not the skirt would realistically cause a safety issue for a cashier is just speculation.

If she is Pentacostal we can safely assume it would be a long flowing skirt and naturally a impediment to her duties.

 Amaya wrote:
If she is Pentacostal we can safely assume it would be a long flowing skirt and naturally a impediment to her duties.

No, we can't assume that. I've seen Pentecostal women wear skirts of a variety of different lengths. All were modest and none were miniskirts, but not all of them were flowing skirts that nearly touched the ground. I've seen a lot of them wearing 3/4 length skirts that weren't very flowing, and I think it would be harder to make an argument that that was a health and safety hazard, since plenty of servers at diners and other restaurants wear skirts of that length and go back into the kitchen area all the time.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Can you tell me what it means over there?

Underpants.

Also slang for crud, as in that movie is really pants.


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 Monster Rain wrote:
She wasn't fired due to religious discrimination, though. The issue was with her clothing. The reason she wore it is completely beside the point.

It's not though, a restriction on religious practices is illegal under US law no matter what the reason (health and safety being among the few exceptions). Banning hats (for example) is fine, but employers have to make reasonable accommodations for religious head wear, whatever their rationale for the ban.

The burden of proof is on the company to show that no skirt could ever have worked for this job.

 dogma wrote:
Can I wear a skirt while I work at Burger King?

If you can look convincing then yes.

There's only one reasonable solution that makes everyone happy: BK doesn't want her wearing the dress because it's a safety hazard (fair point), and she wants to wear the dress to observe religious reasons (equally fair point). How about we get this girl a tight skirt that hugs her legs all the way down to avoid snaring things, but stretches to allow movement. The customers get to appreciate it too because it will hug the tops of her legs as well. Everyone wins!

 Jihadin wrote:
Matty..........you need to lay out in the sun more.....

Everyone in the UK is pale.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
My Teacher who studied in scotland said they dont wear anything under that, is that true?

Its because our cahonies are so big they don't fit in any form of underwear.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Matty..........you need to lay out in the sun more.....

Everyone in the UK is pale.

I can vouch for this. It's because we only have one season. WET!

Its because our cahonies are so big they don't fit in any form of underwear

Can see you all having trouble dating overthere.

 Jihadin wrote:

Its because our cahonies are so big they don't fit in any form of underwear

Can see you all having trouble dating overthere.

Touche!

 dogma wrote:
Can I wear a skirt while I work at Burger King?

Only if you've got the legs for it.

Something up when BK starts installing brass poles and advertising staying open 24/7.......

Well, their food sucks (except for the chicken sandwich), so anything to get me into the store...

 dogma wrote:
Wait, pants are now exclusively masculine clothing?

To her religious group it does.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Palindrome wrote:
Burger King have a dress code. This woman refused to obey the dress code and was fired. How is this a story?

Because companies cannot have hiring policies that prevent people from practicing their religion (barring health and safety concerns).

Company policy might stop me from wearing a baseball cap but it cannot prevent Jews, Shiks, Mulims etc fromcovering their heads. If not companies would basically banning certain religions from working there.

This case will come down to whether or not BK could have made a reasonable accomodation and since it seems they did not try I'd bet they'll lose big.

Your use of facts, logic, and the law have no place here!


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 mattyrm wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 dogma wrote:
Can I wear a skirt while I work at Burger King?

Yes, but only if you claim it's for religious reasons.

You don't have to be religious if your a Scotsman!

Your dog appears to be possessed. Did you realize he was telling you to do things before or after you fixed him five pounds of burger?

So as Ahtman and some others have pointed out, a policy can't be used to justify discriminatory behaviour unless that policy is based in real health and safety requirements. As such, this all turns on a question of fact - is a long dress really a health and safety concern in a working kitchen?

It's a pretty good question, honestly, and even having done my time working at a fast food joint while I was at uni, I'm not sure I could guess the answer. Those places are pretty chaotic, but there isn't really much in the way of open fire or anything. Everyone wore jeans or shorts, but mostly that's because stuff is likely to get caught and ripped.

And this being dakka that issue of fact is discussed by some, while others ignore it entirely and just people pile in to prove how this story proves Christians get special treatment/ are picked on by 'mainstream' society. None of which makes any sense but hey, gotta keep the fires of that culture war burning.



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 generalgrog wrote:
I just wanted to comment on the part about "Pentecostals believe wearing pants is a sin" I think the wording there was unfortunate because, as a pentecostal I do not believe in that doctrine. I wish they had said, SOME Pentecostals believe that.

Thankyou for the clarification. The implication that all Pentecostals believed that bothered me, but without knowing for sure myself I didn't want to correct it.


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 Kovnik Obama wrote:
The problem is the same as with muslim women who say they've chosen to wear the veil. Institutionnalized sexism like that is hard to counter, because your fighting the very person your claiming to help.

And the reality is that in 'helping' such a person you're more likely than anything to just alienate them from society. Tell her she cannot wear her skirt in this job, and 99% of the time she'll keep wearing the skirt and just not work in that kind of position.

Radical Christian


funny how words change over the years eh?





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I mean come on, YOU WORK AT BURGER KING

quit thinking life is gonna be good and just get used to it sucking HARD