Getting the Stardust Empire to fit better with existing canon

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**DemetriDominov**

And henceforth, The Dark Emperor shall be known as "The Mad Prophet, Kane." Peace through Pohwa!

**Omegus**

I can't believe people are trying to salvage this when they should be killing it with fire.

**DeffDred**

DeffDred wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
...then he says "and then I explain to them how it works and it makes sense."

It does not work nor does it make any sense. At all.

I'll stop here. If you can't say anything nice... and all that.

We're trying to keep the flames low. We know these embers can become an inferno but we want to help not hinder.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Omegus wrote:
I can't believe people are trying to salvage this when they should be killing it with fire.

That, I'm actually having a hard time with. Considering his state, I don't think it would be very good to just pull the rug out and start deleting his stuff. I will have to say though that if he doesn't change it, we probably will.

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RogueMage wrote:
I just want to add that I too feel a little dirty validating this lol

but here goes!

Assuming we're going to keep the "Dark Emperor" name
what if he was an alpha level psyker, Alpha levels are the most powerful and dangerous psykers and have been known to enslave populaces and destroy titans with but a glance
maybe it's possible that he could be on the most powerful ever encountered and he dreams of uniting all races under one banner

With the Imperial Guard that would be easy..using his psychic powers on normal humans is cake walk, With the Marines and Chaos Marines might be a little tougher but no impossible ...the Chaos Marines could even be followers if he were of the evil or even "neutral" persuasion

with the Orks I don't think it would be that hard to control them either, Orks are a very psychic race if a powerful enough psyker could use glamours on them ..maybe they see everyone around them as Orks and believe they're doing the will of an extremely powerful Brain Boy or Weird boy

with the Tau there is some speculation that they might be controlled by the Ethereals..and even though they have no known presence in the warp that could be used somehow?...I'm not that knowledgable in Tau fluff ...either that or they see every other race working together which goes with their greater good concept so they'd be like a pig in .....fudge... : I

for the Eldar you might use the same excuse as with the orks or they would be there for their own reasons, what are the reasons? who knows?
as for the Tyranids it's a stretch but he could have used his mind to tap into the Tyranid hive mind and become one with them

so to sum things up most if not all of the races could actually be slaves to an extremely powerful psyker...the cooperation is only a facade under a velvet fist of domination if you will

I suppose that's one way of shoe horning this all in

Edit: I also wanted to say kudos to you for being patient with a friend....but remember...friends don't let friends become mad prophets rambling about stardust empires

I find that to be a much better explanation. Plus it can just be added to what's there, and is much more in line with the overall theme of 40k. So we just took a huge Mary Sue and turned into a 40kish villain.

**RogueMage**

I did have a thought though...could we tank the "Dark Emperor" moniker and go with Ziggy?

then he could be supreme leader of the Ziggy *wait for it* Stardust Empire

It would be just a coincidence that Ziggy plays guitar

it sounds beautiful

**Amaya**

Omegus wrote:
I can't believe people are trying to salvage this when they should be killing it with fire.

That's exactly how I felt when I read that site. It reminds me of another thread that popped up somewhere where someone was writing the most god awful piece of OF I have ever had the misfortune of reading. Calling it 'original' isn't even accurate it was a poor reskin/copypasta of cliches piled on stereotypes.

**DeffDred**

Amaya wrote:
Omegus wrote:
I can't believe people are trying to salvage this when they should be killing it with fire.

That's exactly how I felt when I read that site. It reminds me of another thread that popped up somewhere where someone was writing the most god awful piece of OF I have ever had the misfortune of reading. Calling it 'original' isn't even accurate it was a poor reskin/copypasta of cliches piled on stereotypes.

You wouldn't be refering to a certain cat-people would you?

**RogueMage**

Omegus wrote:
I can't believe people are trying to salvage this when they should be killing it with fire.

That's exactly how I felt when I read that site. It reminds me of another thread that popped up somewhere where someone was writing the most god awful piece of OF I have ever had the misfortune of reading. Calling it 'original' isn't even accurate it was a poor reskin/copypasta of cliches piled on stereotypes.

I don't think anyone is accusing the "fluff" of being the work of Shakespeare (understatement perhaps)

but the OP asked for help to consolodate it into canon and even though we all know its ridiculous the least we can do is try to help bring some semblance of sanity
to it if the creator of it refuses to ackowledge the absurdity of it all....btw this might be out of morbid curiosity OP but exactlty how old is the creator of this stardust empire and
how much experience do they have playing in the 40k universe...this might go along way into figuring out the method behind the madness

on a sidenote i screwed up the quote cause i have my daughter in one hand

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]You wouldn't be refering to a certain cat-people would you?

cat people? I'm intrigued

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

20

He's getting better, but not great. I think he learns from defeats, and I've helped him, though he seemed to not go in the right direction the times I played with him. However, the manager at the store he plays at doesn't give him that credit.

**purplefood**

DeffDred wrote:
Amaya wrote:
Omegus wrote:
I can't believe people are trying to salvage this when they should be killing it with fire.

That's exactly how I felt when I read that site. It reminds me of another thread that popped up somewhere where someone was writing the most god awful piece of OF I have ever had the misfortune of reading. Calling it 'original' isn't even accurate it was a poor reskin/copypasta of cliches piled on stereotypes.

You wouldn't be refering to a certain cat-people would you?

In fairness this was around before the Furry Eldar...

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Furry Eldar? That sounds like it's intended to be trolling. This guy wants to have a serious addition to the fluff. Or was that supposed to be serious?

**TheRobotLol**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Furry Eldar? That sounds like it's intended to be trolling. This guy wants to have a serious addition to the fluff. Or was that supposed to be serious?

Surprisingly, it was indeed serious, it wasn't a troll. As much as the creator tried to prove otherwise, the title of 'Furry Eldar' suited it well.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Where is this?

**Coolyo294**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Where is this?

Here and here.

**TheRobotLol**

It...was terrible.

**DemetriDominov**

One of those Here's says I've already been down that rabbit hole...

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Coolyo294 wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Where is this?

Here and here.

Wow...

**DeffDred**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Coolyo294 wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Where is this?

Here and here.

Wow...

Right?!

One of the funniest threads ever!

**RogueMage**

Right?! One of the funniest threads ever!

Oh dear...

My favourite part is where the poster is offended about criticism and wanted to make a valuable contribution...going on to say they literally just made all of that fluff up instead of making sure any of it made sense

So thanks ...what is seen cannot be unseen = P

on a sidenote I think a Fos du Rahed Khajit would have been hilarious......but I couldn't find a pic

**Amaya**

I looked at the OP. Glanced at the OP's avatar. Closed thread.

I do not even want to know what they were proposing.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Amaya wrote:
I looked at the OP. Glanced at the OP's avatar. Closed thread.

I do not even want to know what they were proposing.

That pretty much said it all.

**TheRobotLol**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Amaya wrote:
I looked at the OP. Glanced at the OP's avatar. Closed thread.

I do not even want to know what they were proposing.

That pretty much said it all.

Few can disagree.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

I just remembered something about this. There was one thing in the Stardust Empire fluff that I slammed the brakes on real hard.

Originally the Stardust Empire was 24 worlds, then it was 34. Then I invaded it with the 60 world Sturmkrieg Sektor (another 40 in Rotstein, but they like to function separately) and it went up to 134. I immediately changed it to 34 and left a stern message on the talk page saying it wasn't going past that.

**ph34r**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I just remembered something about this. There was one thing in the Stardust Empire fluff that I slammed the brakes on real hard.

Originally the Stardust Empire was 24 worlds, then it was 34. Then I invaded it with the 60 world Sturmkrieg Sektor (another 40 in Rotstein, but they like to function separately) and it went up to 134. I immediately changed it to 34 and left a stern message on the talk page saying it wasn't going past that.

So, I don't get it. Your friend comes up with all these ideas, and you have to convince him to scale them down? Is these some committee that decides on these things? Is this a collaborative effort? Why does your friend not post here himself? Why are you a middle man? Honestly this situation is probably doing more bad for the whole fluff debacle than it needs. Your friend should post here and see the feedback for himself, instead of you being the blow cushioner/middle man/negotiator.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

He writes about the Stardust Empire himself. My only role was writing about invading it when I saw the epic levels of heresy. That one incident is also the only time I intervened in it. I asked him to register here so he could post himself, but there was a problem where he couldn't confirm his email address. I'll ask him again now that the problem is fixed and see if he wants to discuss it here, because I mentioned that getting input from other people will help the quality.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/462315.page

**Kaldor**

ph34r wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I just remembered something about this. There was one thing in the Stardust Empire fluff that I slammed the brakes on real hard.

Originally the Stardust Empire was 24 worlds, then it was 34. Then I invaded it with the 60 world Sturmkrieg Sektor (another 40 in Rotstein, but they like to function separately) and it went up to 134. I immediately changed it to 34 and left a stern message on the talk page saying it wasn't going past that.
So, I don't get it. Your friend comes up with all these ideas, and you have to convince him to scale them down? Is these some committee that decides on these things? Is this a collaborative effort? Why does your friend not post here himself? Why are you a middle man? Honestly this situation is probably doing more bad for the whole fluff debacle than it needs. Your friend should post here and see the feedback for himself, instead of you being the blow cushioner/middle man/negotiator.

I don't get it either. I mean, it's silly background but it's his background. He can have 134 worlds if he wants.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Kaldor wrote:
ph34r wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I just remembered something about this. There was one thing in the Stardust Empire fluff that I slammed the brakes on real hard.

Originally the Stardust Empire was 24 worlds, then it was 34. Then I invaded it with the 60 world Sturmkrieg Sektor (another 40 in Rotstein, but they like to function separately) and it went up to 134. I immediately changed it to 34 and left a stern message on the talk page saying it wasn't going past that.
So, I don't get it. Your friend comes up with all these ideas, and you have to convince him to scale them down? Is these some committee that decides on these things? Is this a collaborative effort? Why does your friend not post here himself? Why are you a middle man? Honestly this situation is probably doing more bad for the whole fluff debacle than it needs. Your friend should post here and see the feedback for himself, instead of you being the blow cushioner/middle man/negotiator.

I don't get it either. I mean, it's silly background but it's his background. He can have 134 worlds if he wants.

I would have let it go for that reason, except he made the change from 34 to 134 right after we declared war on his empire.

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The campaign for 34 worlds is already stacked in his favor, with an average of 10 to 15 territories per world to take over.

**Kaldor**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I would have let it go for that reason, except he made the change from 34 to 134 right after we declared war on his empire.

Still not getting it. You're just trying to one-up his fan-fic with your fan-fic?

"My guys invade your guys and beat you"

"Nuh uh"

"Uh huh!"

I mean, what's going on here? Why do you care how many worlds are in his imaginary empire?

**purplefood**

Well even if it wasn't in the 40k universe it's still horribly written...
Though the Sturmkrieg thing is also kinda strange as well...

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Kaldor wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I would have let it go for that reason, except he made the change from 34 to 134 right after we declared war on his empire.

Still not getting it. You're just trying to one-up his fan-fic with your fan-fic?

"My guys invade your guys and beat you"

"Nuh uh"

"Uh huh!"

I mean, what's going on here? Why do you care how many worlds are in his imaginary empire?

That wasn't the intent. If he beats us in the campaign, he beats us, and I'll respect that. But increasing his empire size by 100 worlds as soon as someone declares war on him is just silly. Dondrekhan brought up the point that it would be useless to have a campaign based heavily on mostly fluff because it would turn into one upping.

He's also been the one doing that mostly. I've lost track of how often he writes some story where our guys suddenly surrender and ally with him. Most of the time I don't bother changing it or trying to counter it.

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purplefood wrote:
Well even if it wasn't in the 40k universe it's still horribly written...
Though the Sturmkrieg thing is also kinda strange as well...

What is the problem with it? What should I change?

I agree with that. I would say overall, and to a lesser extent, the other fluff suffers as well, but that's mostly because the articles by themselves aren't really engaging. I think it's better to write stories and have links to articles about the content featured in the stories.