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Been wondering about a few concerns in using these badasses, namely how to best get them downfield and use in army. Any suggestions?

I recently attempted to run 5 tankbusters down field in a looted wagon. I figured that the "Don't press dat!" rule and the "Glory hogs" rule would essentially work, since they have to move toward the enemy tank anyway.
Unfortunately my opponent was Tau and the tank was demolished round, leaving the boys to be shot to pieces / kited for the next turn.

I know the LW doesnt have a great front armour - so if there is any advise I would put forward, it would be to put them in a Battlewagon for the best chance to get down range.

After my battle, I decided to run some scenario's with different units against the Hammerhead - One tactic I will be using from here on out will be 5 Deffcoptas with the Rokkit launcher upgrade. At 225 points for the unit, it is relatively on par with 5 tankbusters weighing in at 110 points.
For the extra, you get a 4+ save, multi-wound model with another chance to roll those 5s and 6s needed to hit because of our low BS, Hammer of Wrath, Jink - for another save, and Relentless.

I've yet to try the Deffcoptas in a real match, but with my limited testing they performed pretty well.

Bomb squigs are among the best AA weapons in the game currently, but I wouldn't count on that lasting very long. Then again, GW could surprise us, it's happened before.

I would suggest 15 in a BW could you imagine the overwatch it would be brutal lol

I know that when I'm playing my nids a full unit of tankbustas would be the absolute last thing I'd want to see across from me.

I think for other matchups, the tankbustas aren't that thrilling. I think the problem is, the second they were freed from their terrible FAQ shackles, the metagame changed in a way that makes vehicle spam really easy to counter. Now a unit of boys can wreck anything that is rear armor 10, nob bikers can guranteed cut through any vehicle they can get a couple power klaws on to, and people are voluntarily getting out of their transports (and then using them to screen) in the early turns of a game.

That doesn't make tankbustas bad, it just makes them less needed, and right when they became playable too!

 Shep wrote:
I know that when I'm playing my nids a full unit of tankbustas would be the absolute last thing I'd want to see across from me.

I think for other matchups, the tankbustas aren't that thrilling. I think the problem is, the second they were freed from their terrible FAQ shackles, the metagame changed in a way that makes vehicle spam really easy to counter. Now a unit of boys can wreck anything that is rear armor 10, nob bikers can guranteed cut through any vehicle they can get a couple power klaws on to, and people are voluntarily getting out of their transports (and then using them to screen) in the early turns of a game.

That doesn't make tankbustas bad, it just makes them less needed, and right when they became playable too!

thanks for all the posts everyone.

Yeah it's a real shame too, the Tankbustas fluff wise are probably one of my favorite boyz but i haven't used them at all since 4th ed. I think they could see some play if they got eavy armor "strapping trophies to themselves in the form of armor" But yeah to dedicate a BW to them is just not efficient as i would like my orks being ran. Maybe if they upgraded range or something? I dunno they have such potential to be a great unit but sadly i just don't like them compared to my other options out there at this time.

A shame too...

I actually tend to like the bastards. Wrecking flyers with bomb squigs is the orkiest thing ever (my bw has a squigapult modeled onto it now) and ten rocket launchers will ruin the day of armor and marine alike. I do tend to see the pros of loota over them but not by much.

i think they are marvelous bomb squigs and Tankhammers just sound hilairious


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oh and taking them against foot lists (IG,Orks,Nids etc) would be excellent

Aren't Lootas better in almost every situation?

S7, but D3 shots instead of 1 each, and with no targeting restrictions, at the same points cost. Also, the models are cheaper.

loreweaver wrote:
Aren't Lootas better in almost every situation?

S7, but D3 shots instead of 1 each, and with no targeting restrictions, at the same points cost. Also, the models are cheaper.

I think you'd find quantity of shots and range is the main advantage lootas have, the ap4 their biggest disadvantage.

In general, I've ever only had two issues with tankbustas - their price for getting a good sized units, and the huge target it puts on the wagon they are riding in. Past that, I've loved the experience of running them.

I need to build more, now that I think about it...

Not to mention tankbusters can ID T5 in melee with Tankhammers.

Only if no vehicle was within 24".

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Bomb squigs are among the best AA weapons in the game currently, but I wouldn't count on that lasting very long. Then again, GW could surprise us, it's happened before.

Im aware of the argument however I think that since they do not use a BS you could not snap fire a flyer. We have been pretty specific around here about not being able to slingshot a flyer with them.

 lazarian wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Bomb squigs are among the best AA weapons in the game currently, but I wouldn't count on that lasting very long. Then again, GW could surprise us, it's happened before.

Im aware of the argument however I think that since they do not use a BS you could not snap fire a flyer. We have been pretty specific around here about not being able to slingshot a flyer with them.

It's not a shooting attack though, so it'd not care about not being snapfired.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 lazarian wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Bomb squigs are among the best AA weapons in the game currently, but I wouldn't count on that lasting very long. Then again, GW could surprise us, it's happened before.

Im aware of the argument however I think that since they do not use a BS you could not snap fire a flyer. We have been pretty specific around here about not being able to slingshot a flyer with them.

It's not a shooting attack though, so it'd not care about not being snapfired.

That's the crux that will be FAQ'ed or not. Flyers are unable to be targeted by things that don't require a BS to hit. If its not a shooting attack then what is it? Flyers are completely immune to everything except BS based shooting in their rules.

There is a RAW bit here where you can shoehorn in bombsquigs for the moment however its terribly unreasonable to do so. RAI clearly side with being unable to have the squigs run at jets and RAW only have a footing due to there being little to comment on at present. Again it isn't allowable where we play, might be that way at your place, and the discussion hopefully will have a resolution at some point.

Err, not exactly. Flier rules state that *shots* that target them must be resolved as snap fire - and as such shots that can not be snap fired, can not target fliers. The rule doesn't say ANYTHING that targets them must be resolved as snap fire.

 Kharrak wrote:
Err, not exactly. Flier rules state that *shots* that target them must be resolved as snap fire - and as such shots that can not be snap fired, can not target fliers. The rule doesn't say ANYTHING that targets them must be resolved as snap fire.

Furthermore, Bomb Squigs don't even have targets per se, they just hit the closest thing.

Im not saying this wont be allowed, its just cognitive dissonance to me thinking that bomb squigs should shoot into the air at supersonic flyers.

You cannot assault them and all shooting is resolved as a snap shot (no templates, blast, ect). Again were discussing two sides of this argument and for the time being our location does not allow it, yours does, and every tournament I've seen so far goes one way or the other, so who really knows until new FAQ.

I enjoyed using tankbusters in 5th, usually I had like one to two loota's squad, with tankbusters for the heavier things with one or two bombsquigs with two tankhammers in tow.

I've found them best used as wraithlord and nid slayers personally, it's a shame cause they use to be amazing with vehicle kills ... i wish they still had tank hunters they NEED it back IMO. I'd even be willing to pay the points for a nob who could give it to them.

Overall i just haven't seen them as useful persay as Lootas in competitive matches. I want to think they are... but I find myself rarely swapping from my basic Force Org favorites. As said in the past, love the fluff and the models but... it just saddens me they aren't better atm.

Yeah, tank hunter would make them a great choice again. Right now, they are funky side-grades to lootaz, with no real advantage over them, other than being able to get a nob, in exchange for not being able to shoot what you want.

They got better in pretty much every way. You can punt Bomb Squigs at fliers, Tankhammers can ID T5, you can "throw" Tankbusta Bombs 8", you can hit vehicles easier in combat and you can snapfire all of their rokkits out of a moving open-topped transport.

And even with all that, there's no real reason to take them over Lootas unless you expect to run into AV 13/14 spam.

Sadly, you can throw only one Tankbusta Bomb per squad.

 Jidmah wrote:
Sadly, you can throw only one Tankbusta Bomb per squad.

affirmative, and i try not to use the squigapult idea as it's grey area... i can take down enemies easier than having to rely on that.

But RAI aside, the damned Squigapult is just such a damned orky idea. Throw it up there, bites onto the nose of the plane, and explodes.

Hiliarious. Unsupportable, me thinks, but a hilarious image.