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Hey everyone. I have 3 lists to show you. 1 Being Black Templars, 1 Imperial Guard, and 1 Grey Knights. Vote and tell me what would perform best and why. Criticism is wanted! Thank you everyone!

Black Templars (COFFEE EVERYWHERE):

HQ:
Emperor's Champion: 140 points
AAC

Master of Sancity: 155 points
Power fist, Artificer Armor

Troops
10 man Crusader Squad: 185 points
Power Fist, Melta Gun

10 man Crusader Squad: 185 points
Power Fist, Melta Gun

5 man Crusader Squad: 95 points
Lascannon

Transports:
Land Raider Crusader: 294 points
Blessed Hull, Smoke Launchers, searchlights

Land Raider Crusader: 293 points
Blessed Hull, Smoke Launchers


Fast Attack:
Land Speeder: 85 points
Typhoon Missile Launcher, Multi-melta

Land Speeder: 85 points
Typhoon Missile Launcher, Multi-melta

Land Speeder: 85 points
Typhoon Missile Launcher, Multi-melta

Heavy Support:
Predator Annihilator: 149 points
Lascannon sponsons, smoke launchers, searchlights

Predator Annihilator: 149 points
Lascannon sponsons, smoke launchers, searchlights

Fortifications: 100 points
Quad-gun

Grey Knight TERMINATORPOCALYPSE:

HQ:
Cortez: 100 points
Divination Powers

Troops:
10 man Terminator Squad: 495 points
Master Crafted Hammer, 2 Hammers, 1 Sword, 1 Warding Stave, 5 Halberds, 2 Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo

10 man Terminator Squad: 495 points
Master Crafted Hammer, 2 Hammers, 1 Sword, 1 Warding Stave, 5 Halberds, 2 Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo

10 man Terminator Squad: 495 points
Master Crafted Hammer, 2 Hammers, 1 Sword, 1 Warding Stave, 5 Halberds, 2 Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo

Elites:
Vindicare Assassin: 145 points

Heavy Support:

Steve The Dreadnought: 135 points
TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo

Dreadnought: 135 points
TL Autocannons, Psybolt Ammo

Imperial Guard Cadian Special Forces:

HQ:
Command Squad: 115 points
Officer of The Fleet, Lascannon, Regimental Standard

Troops:
Infantry Platoon: 510 points

Platoon Command Squad: 40 points
2 Flamers

Infantry Squad: 65 points
Autocannon, Flamer

Infantry Squad: 65 points
Autocannon, Flamer

Infantry Squad: 65 points
Autocannon, Flamer

Infantry Squad: 65 points
Autocannon, Flamer

Infantry Squad: 65 points
Autocannon, Flamer

Heavy Weapon Squad: 105 points
Lascannons

Heavy Weapon Squad: 105 points
Lascannons

Veteran Squad: 155 points
2 Plasmaguns, Chimera: HHF

Veteran Squad: 170 points
3 Plasmaguns, Chimera: HHF

Veteran Squad: 170 points
3 Plasmaguns, Chimera: HHF


Fast Attack:
Vendetta: 130 points

Vendetta: 130 points

Valkryie: 130 points
Multiple Rocket Pods

Heavy Support:
Manticore: 160 points

Manticore: 160 points

Leman Russ Battle Tank: 165 points
Lascannon

Fortification:
Aegis Defense Line: 50 points

Thoughts?

Telll me what you think guys!

At 2000 points you do not have enough troops in the Black Templar list so that one is out of the running almost immediatley as much as it pains me to say so. Eventually they will have to get out of the LRCs to score.

Your Grey Knight list has a lot of Temrinators which makes it fairly resilient, but on the other hadn it will be dreadfully slow. Not sure exactly how well this will work but the 3 full units of terminators are better than 2.5 units of Crusaders in BT list.

The IG seem to have a good mix of tankbusting and infantry killing units with some excellent mobility, some flyers and can drop some large templates and I think that might be your best list.

Thank you for the feedback! I have played all these lists before and what I can say for each list is,

The Black Templars are able to sweep any target off an object with the amount of shooting in the list. and if that doesn't work, the crusaders get out and kill them in cc. What the whole idea of that list is to sweep enemies off most onjectives and grab them. The way the Crusaders survive and hold is the land raiders provide a giant wall of armor for them to hide and capture. The 5 man squad camps with the quad gun on home field, Predators are my fire base and the Land Speeders grab line breaker and suicide into big tanks and kill them with their multi-melta. I am 5-3 with that list. Playing Orks and Blood Angels.

The Grey Knights are actually not that slow, I put them up max distance and I move them where I see fit. You might say they will kit me, but they don't when you have 30 terminators spread across a 6 by 4 and having dreadnoughts there is no where to really hide or stay out of range. They have proved to be my most resilient and hard to kill with divination powers and are able to destroy enemies in cc and have decent shooting. I am 4-3 with this list. Playing Necrons, Deathwing and Blood Angels.

The Imperial Guard have proved me well. I have only played 3 games with them, but the platoon are able to shoot any target down and flyers due to orders helping them. I've been able to shoot down 30 man ork boy squads in 1 turn with them. The Manticores hide behind the ADL and get their cover and fire their missiles like crazy and the Leman does what it can. The Vendettas have proved their worth. The Veterans have worked as a good counter to assault based units like Assault Squads and Terminator squads. I've been able to stop them from hitting my platoon just with the plasmas, indeed the guard have been one of my most successful. 2-1 with this list, playing Blood Angels and Orks.

If there is anything I can change with the Black Templars or any other list, please feel free to tell me.

Anymore feedback? I would greatly appreciate it.

IG. The 3 Vendettas alone make the list superior to the other lists. Flyers and volume of fire are where 6th edition is at, the IG list has both in ample supply.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
IG. The 3 Vendettas alone make the list superior to the other lists. Flyers and volume of fire are where 6th edition is at, the IG list has both in ample supply.

I see your point, would you say I need Nade Launchers or Flamers?

 Stormtrooper520 wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
IG. The 3 Vendettas alone make the list superior to the other lists. Flyers and volume of fire are where 6th edition is at, the IG list has both in ample supply.

I see your point, would you say I need Nade Launchers or Flamers?

Your IG list will wreck face if that platoon is blobbed. 5 flamers on overwatch is scary.

That said, I'd make one of the vendettas a valk; they are pretty redundant, and will be even moreso if you face a horde list, and give your PCS two flamers instead of the AC and put it in a Vendetta. Gives you a "Drop in late-game" objective grabber that can flame someone out of cover, and your CCS already has the orders handled fine.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Stormtrooper520 wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
IG. The 3 Vendettas alone make the list superior to the other lists. Flyers and volume of fire are where 6th edition is at, the IG list has both in ample supply.

I see your point, would you say I need Nade Launchers or Flamers?

Your IG list will wreck face if that platoon is blobbed. 5 flamers on overwatch is scary.

That said, I'd make one of the vendettas a valk; they are pretty redundant, and will be even moreso if you face a horde list, and give your PCS two flamers instead of the AC and put it in a Vendetta. Gives you a "Drop in late-game" objective grabber that can flame someone out of cover, and your CCS already has the orders handled fine.

I like the way you think! Editting the list right now. Anything else I could change? I am worried about the 50 man squad running off the board from fire.

Yeah, it may tear at your soul to run one of the Vet squads with 2 plasmaguns, but you won't notice much of a difference. Use those points to put a regimental standard in your CCS. Don't want that Platoon running off the board (though it'll require around 17 kills to start forcing a test) but the standard will also keep your HWS's from fleeing, which is very likely without such a thing.

 TheCaptain wrote:
Yeah, it may tear at your soul to run one of the Vet squads with 2 plasmaguns, but you won't notice much of a difference. Use those points to put a regimental standard in your CCS. Don't want that Platoon running off the board (though it'll require around 17 kills to start forcing a test) but the standard will also keep your HWS's from fleeing, which is very likely without such a thing.

I like that idea. Thank you!

 Stormtrooper520 wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
Yeah, it may tear at your soul to run one of the Vet squads with 2 plasmaguns, but you won't notice much of a difference. Use those points to put a regimental standard in your CCS. Don't want that Platoon running off the board (though it'll require around 17 kills to start forcing a test) but the standard will also keep your HWS's from fleeing, which is very likely without such a thing.

I like that idea. Thank you!

NP good sir; best of luck with it. Solid list with those little changes.

I like your IG list the best, it needs some minor changes.

Your BT lists is a bit weak and misses out on some of their really cool stuff.

GK is a little vulnerable. It is fairly immobile and short ranged.

MFletch wrote:
I like your IG list the best, it needs some minor changes.

Your BT lists is a bit weak and misses out on some of their really cool stuff.

GK is a little vulnerable. It is fairly immobile and short ranged.

What do you purpose I do with the lists, any help would be great!

Voted for the gk. Vindicare is kindof meh with improved vehicle cover saves and los. With most games being objective based justicar thawn is insane now. I would also drop the psyflemen for foot henchmen for total t3/t4 target saturation and denial of any targets with an av value. The henchmen on foot are a cheap way to hold your backfield objectives. Stay in area terrain so if they get shot at go to ground and the bolter henchies become 5 point bullet sponges with a 3++ or 2++ cover saves if it's ruins.

Would go with 3 damn dirty apes, 3 psykers 1 for each squad swapping out their blast for divination, 5 point bolter henchmen to fill out the ranks, and some plasma guns. The humble 5 point bolter warriors can turn downright vicious if they get 36" range or rending and twin linked from the damn dirty ape and psyker, and plasma guns can get really scary under those circumstances. Best part is 1900/2000 points would be scoring units, 7 kp in a kp mission, and no fast attack/heavy support to give out vp in those other 2 missions.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Voted for the gk. Vindicare is kindof meh with improved vehicle cover saves and los. With most games being objective based justicar thawn is insane now. I would also drop the psyflemen for foot henchmen for total t3/t4 target saturation and denial of any targets with an av value. The henchmen on foot are a cheap way to hold your backfield objectives. Stay in area terrain so if they get shot at go to ground and the bolter henchies become 5 point bullet sponges with a 3++ or 2++ cover saves if it's ruins.

Would go with 3 damn dirty apes, 3 psykers 1 for each squad swapping out their blast for divination, 5 point bolter henchmen to fill out the ranks, and some plasma guns. The humble 5 point bolter warriors can turn downright vicious if they get 36" range or rending and twin linked from the damn dirty ape and psyker, and plasma guns can get really scary under those circumstances. Best part is 1900/2000 points would be scoring units, 7 kp in a kp mission, and no fast attack/heavy support to give out vp in those other 2 missions.

Henchmen aren nice and all, but my Dreadnoughts have been able to prevent nasty Storm Ravens from getting in my face as well as my Vindicare has been able to destroy Land Raiders turn 1, hurting them critically. I can switch out my Vindicare for another Dreadnought, which could work. But I will try henchmen and see what I like more.