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2012/08/29 18:52:08
Subject: Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
It would be doing a lot better well if the republicans didn't filibusterer every proposal that would have helped.
I disagree with this a bit. Who trying to get the Keystone Pipeline started on its new new route?
The republicans will always side with big oil, as the big oil companies own most of them. It's the same republicans who will allow the oil companies to sell that oil to whoever wants it, instead of supporting it be used in america. They just can't help big oil enough, that's why they get $24 billion in subsidies. They can't find a penny to help those who need help the most, but they can find billions to provide welfare for corporations.
2012/08/29 19:05:36
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
I use the Keystone as an example. It will help create jobs that would cascade out amongst the industry. Perfect example for that is the Alasken Pipeline. If you were offer a job in help developing the Keystone Pipeline would you take it? I know your canadian but that doesn't mean you cannot accept a higher paying job on your end.
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If the republicans manage to get it started I can't imagine you saying "No" because its the republican success.
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2012/08/29 19:18:03
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
It would be doing a lot better well if the republicans didn't filibusterer every proposal that would have helped.
I disagree with this a bit. Who trying to get the Keystone Pipeline started on its new new route?
The republicans will always side with big oil, as the big oil companies own most of them. It's the same republicans who will allow the oil companies to sell that oil to whoever wants it, instead of supporting it be used in america. They just can't help big oil enough, that's why they get $24 billion in subsidies. They can't find a penny to help those who need help the most, but they can find billions to provide welfare for corporations.
You know... I don't thinks that accurate... but I'm willing to be wrong.
But, aren't these subsidies available to other non-oil businesses?
Now as for those subsidies itself... ya, we need to look at 'em if they're needed, but I suspect they're tax laws that oil companies chose to take advantage of.
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2012/08/29 19:38:05
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Jihadin wrote: I use the Keystone as an example. It will help create jobs that would cascade out amongst the industry. Perfect example for that is the Alasken Pipeline. If you were offer a job in help developing the Keystone Pipeline would you take it? I know your canadian but that doesn't mean you cannot accept a higher paying job on your end.
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If the republicans manage to get it started I can't imagine you saying "No" because its the republican success.
Yeah, they used the jobs angle to get through a law in PA that if oil and gas companies had to pay liabilities for poisoning people, it'd cost jobs. So now, even if you are dying from exposure to groundwater contamination from the oil and gas industry, by law your doctor can't tell you that.
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2012/08/29 19:46:16
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
It would be doing a lot better well if the republicans didn't filibusterer every proposal that would have helped.
I disagree with this a bit. Who trying to get the Keystone Pipeline started on its new new route?
Pretty hard for the Republicans to block everything when the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and dominated the House. Obamacare was Pelosi's fiasco, because when Bill Clinton tried it, he tried to control it and failed. Obama punted all leadership and the result is a nightmare of hodgepodge crap.
I don't blame Obama for trying to nationalize healthcare. I blame him for letting Pelosi to run the show instead of trying something both sides could agree to, even if much less than what he wanted.
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2012/08/29 19:48:39
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
I don't blame Obama for trying to nationalize healthcare. I blame him for letting Pelosi to run the show instead of trying something both sides could agree to, even if much less than what he wanted.
Like Obama wanting a public option, but then giving in and agreeing to an individual mandate because that is what the Republicans wanted and would agree to at the time?
2012/08/29 19:49:02
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Have there been any contamination from the Alasken Pipeline of that nature Baron?
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2012/08/29 19:52:54
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
So keep an eye out for Chuckleheads with fire arms near the pipeline.
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2012/08/29 20:25:51
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Jihadin wrote: Have there been any contamination from the Alasken Pipeline of that nature Baron?
The Alaskan pipe line? NOt as far as I know, but they also don't pump 100k gallons of toxic chemicals into the ground per well for it either. I was talking about Natural Gas Fracking, another item in the 'we need less regulation for greater profit' list. It 'only' causes (albeit small) earthquakes and had caused enough ground water contamination to be banned in several states. PA passed laws against allowing the public to know exactly what they were being exposed to to protect companies using the technique in PA.
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2012/08/30 06:16:21
Subject: Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
dogma wrote: Not necessarily. At the very least Kagan never held a judicial position prior to her nomination to the Supreme Court, and Clarence Thomas held no judicial position prior to being nominated to the DC court of appeals; and I imagine there are other cases.
That there are two who did not win elections does not make it not an issue.
The biggest issues I think, it simply that both parties attempt to nominate justices with sympathetic political and legal views.
That is, of course, the big issue. I thought about whether or not to include it, and wrote about half an essay before figuring I was drifting from the point and replaced it with 'That isn't the only reason the judiciary in the US has become so political, but it's a major one.'
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whembly wrote: Technically speaking... a Prez could nominate Kim Kardashian for Justice... but, good luck getting the Senate's approval .
But technically doesn't really matter What matters is what people actually do, and what people actually do most of the time is nominate people with strong judicial records in lower courts, which they reached through the electoral process. This means it is pretty rare to find a potential nominee without some prior political connection.
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Jihadin wrote: Vodka and gaterade
Gentleman Jack and coke
Southern Comfort with Dew
Thats about it for me.
You just listed about every highschool party I ever truly, completely regretted.
Well, apart from that one where we found the bottle of Mississipi Moonshine where the ingredients were listed as 'wine, alcohol, sugar.'
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whembly wrote: And the house republicans passed formal budgets that Reid wouldn't move to the Senate floor to be negotiated/voted on...
And it's the Republican doing all the filibustering?
Reminds to self: Republicans bad... evil creatures...
amrite?
You do have to be a little bit honest with stuff like this - putting up a budget with all of your side's wish list items and nothing for the other side, and then complaining when they don't pass the budget is hardly constructive politics.
And ultimately, it's on record that no congress ever filed as many cloture motions to end filibusters as the 2007-08 congress. Now, you can point out that in the modern history of the filibuster the circumstances of politics never demanded a filibuster as much as that congress, and that'd be reasonable, but let's not pretend the Republicans didn't realise their particularly weak minority position and set themselves to stop as much DNP legislation as possible.
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2012/08/30 23:47:39
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
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2012/08/30 23:57:40
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Is that with the dollar at its current value or does it actually protray the debt current with the value of dollar?
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2012/08/31 00:23:42
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Jihadin wrote: Is that with the dollar at its current value or does it actually protray the debt current with the value of dollar?
I believe its present value of the dollar, if not then every bar but obamas would increase
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2012/08/31 00:48:42
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Reagan I was to young to even think politics. Just remember him calling for Gorbachev to teardown these walls
Bush Senior. First Iraq War a good chunk. ATM I think he was a 1 termer right?
Clinton. Drew down the military to its current level. Lots of base closure.10 Divisions for the army. two terms
Bush Jr. Two war front. two terms Plus up of brigade per divisions
Obama Two war front. One war front (not going to count Libya) still on first term
Thinking the military budget side of the house.
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2012/08/31 00:52:31
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
I believe its present value of the dollar, if not then every bar but obamas would increase
See, this is why I hate graphs:
Don't looks at the bars, they're essentially meaningless, just look at the numbers. Though its worth noting that the Pelosi graph provided above isn't wrong per se, just out of date.
Its also worth noting that percent change in debt relative to GDP is a much better statistic for comparison.
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2012/08/31 00:53:24
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Jihadin wrote: Alright bear with me here. Shooting from the hip
Reagan I was to young to even think politics. Just remember him calling for Gorbachev to teardown these walls
Bush Senior. First Iraq War a good chunk. ATM I think he was a 1 termer right?
Clinton. Drew down the military to its current level. Lots of base closure.10 Divisions for the army. two terms
Bush Jr. Two war front. two terms Plus up of brigade per divisions
Obama Two war front. One war front (not going to count Libya) still on first term
Thinking the military budget side of the house.
So it sounds to me that, if we are going to just do a cursory analysis, that when you vote in a Republican you are voting for a war, Cold or otherwise, which makes me think of this:
Spoiler:
You should have put that Bush Jr. was fighting a two front war and cutting taxes while doing it.
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2012/08/31 00:55:31
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
I see a good chunk of Bush Jr debt. Sticking with the military side of the house. Body armor advancement, uparmor of the Humvee's to 7, MRAPS, MATV's, drones, uparmor for numerous other vehicles....to numerous to really get down to it because a deployment of a unit a lot of freaking cash. Also advancement. Bit of that would fall into Obama column to for the first year.
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2012/08/31 03:40:40
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
I believe its present value of the dollar, if not then every bar but obamas would increase
See, this is why I hate graphs:
Don't looks at the bars, they're essentially meaningless, just look at the numbers. Though its worth noting that the Pelosi graph provided above isn't wrong per se, just out of date.
Its also worth noting that percent change in debt relative to GDP is a much better statistic for comparison.
So other words the general trend of federal spending has been a decreasingly increasing rate until you hit Bush Jr and Obama when the rate exploded. You wouldn't happen to have the change in debt/GDP data would you. (delta-debt sounds humorous)
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MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
2012/08/31 03:44:24
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
So other words the general trend of federal spending has been a decreasingly increasing rate until you hit Bush Jr and Obama when the rate exploded. You wouldn't happen to have the change in debt/GDP data would you. (delta-debt sounds humorous)
That should give a rough idea of percent change.
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2012/08/31 04:02:21
Subject: Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Huh, I would have expected less of a decline from the Eisenhower through Johnson administrations. So what caused the upward trend since the mid 80's, what were we doing that cost us more then vietnam+war on poverty
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
2012/08/31 04:03:21
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
Amaya wrote: I'm assuming it was military funding in order to out run the Reds to the finish line.
But more then vietnam?
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
2012/08/31 04:20:10
Subject: Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith
dogma wrote: Not necessarily. At the very least Kagan never held a judicial position prior to her nomination to the Supreme Court, and Clarence Thomas held no judicial position prior to being nominated to the DC court of appeals; and I imagine there are other cases.
That there are two who did not win elections does not make it not an issue.
The biggest issues I think, it simply that both parties attempt to nominate justices with sympathetic political and legal views.
That is, of course, the big issue. I thought about whether or not to include it, and wrote about half an essay before figuring I was drifting from the point and replaced it with 'That isn't the only reason the judiciary in the US has become so political, but it's a major one.'
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whembly wrote: Technically speaking... a Prez could nominate Kim Kardashian for Justice... but, good luck getting the Senate's approval .
But technically doesn't really matter What matters is what people actually do, and what people actually do most of the time is nominate people with strong judicial records in lower courts, which they reached through the electoral process. This means it is pretty rare to find a potential nominee without some prior political connection.
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Jihadin wrote: Vodka and gaterade
Gentleman Jack and coke
Southern Comfort with Dew
Thats about it for me.
You just listed about every highschool party I ever truly, completely regretted.
Well, apart from that one where we found the bottle of Mississipi Moonshine where the ingredients were listed as 'wine, alcohol, sugar.'
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whembly wrote: And the house republicans passed formal budgets that Reid wouldn't move to the Senate floor to be negotiated/voted on...
And it's the Republican doing all the filibustering?
Reminds to self: Republicans bad... evil creatures...
amrite?
You do have to be a little bit honest with stuff like this - putting up a budget with all of your side's wish list items and nothing for the other side, and then complaining when they don't pass the budget is hardly constructive politics.
And ultimately, it's on record that no congress ever filed as many cloture motions to end filibusters as the 2007-08 congress. Now, you can point out that in the modern history of the filibuster the circumstances of politics never demanded a filibuster as much as that congress, and that'd be reasonable, but let's not pretend the Republicans didn't realise their particularly weak minority position and set themselves to stop as much DNP legislation as possible.
There were definately political shenanigans going on, but sebster, the Republicans retook the House in 2010.
They PASSED budget bills and sent it to the Senate. Usually, what happens is that it goes in conferences for further negotiations/tweaking before it even gets to the floor. Harry Reid refused to put those budgets on the Docket, thus filibustering (in his own way) the budget process.
So, Reid thought it was better to NOT work with the House Republicans and force Congress to pass the continuing resolution bills in order to keep the government running (status quo).
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2012/08/31 04:22:07
Subject: Re:Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith