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Commitment a good word to.

 d-usa wrote:


I thought your point was that society doesn't share your failures, so I pointed out how society does suffer if you fail.

Right... and who pays for those services? Or, do you think the gov is printing funny money?

But I think you made it pretty clear that you think that:

1) Every successful business is only successful because of you.

I wish I had that power re-read that. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

2) Employees are just there to collect a paycheck and don't make a business successful, they are just doing what they are paid to do.

Sure the employee are part of the success, but they're paid for the services rendered.

3) Even though society and government had nothing to do with your success, they better be there to pick up the pieces if you fail because that is their job.

That statement would be true if the collective private individuals didn't pay the taxes to use these safety net.

You're getting good at strawman arguements. (or is it "Aunt Sally"?)

Gotcha.

You'll get there...


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 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Whatever disadvantage I may have, I will NOT blame others... I will work HARDER.

Everyone, should have the same opportunity to achieve whatever it is they want.

You should have also emphasized the word "should" given the preceding statement.

True...

And if you don't... work harder. plow on thru... be stubborn... come on guys, help me here...

 whembly wrote:

But society isn't the one spilling blood, guts, sweat and private resources to ensure that a business is successful.

Society provides the framework to allow a potential business to thrive. Which therefore due to this increased business the society itself reaps the benefits.

Of course it is, how do you think that framework is maintained?

Many people suffer hardship while refusing to turn to theft or violence because they see it as either criminal or dishonorable, both of which are predicated on social constructs. Similarly, many people act to police those who do turn to theft or violence so as to minimize the rate of incidence because of those same social constructs.

I did. I threw in the word commitment. Now I will add motivation and dedication.

So if everybody pays into the services, then everybody has a small part in your success. But when Obama says that it is offensive?

 whembly wrote:

True...

And if you don't... work harder. plow on thru... be stubborn... come on guys, help me here...

You have more leisure time and may well lead a life that is just as satisfying as someone who toils away for some abstract hope of fiscal success.

 d-usa wrote:
So if everybody pays into the services, then everybody has a small part in your success. But when Obama says that it is offensive?

Generally when people have their assumptions questioned, especially by public figures, they consider it offensive.

 Jihadin wrote:

Relevance? You brought her up, state your case. What does she have to do with anything about how Romney is a proven liar and a hypocrite?

See how far your conviction goes against Romney. If your accusing him of not paying taxes for ten years then he's a felon is he not. By my perception your not far off from calling him a murderer yet.

You should go back through the thread and actually read what I've written.

My convictions are against lairs and hypocrites, I don't trust them, I don't believe a thing they say without proof, and I sure don't vote for them.

Everything else your perception is bring up is just your own delusions.

From this video, we can clearly see by Romneys own words he is both.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/48497159#48497159

And in this context fraz, This is why Romney wants to distance himself from bain, it has cost him other elections. Not that he'd ever be man enough to admit it. If he was man enough to admit "Ya I ran bain and shut down factories so I could make a lot of money" I'd actually respect him more than I do.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/48497159#48497159

Do you think Obama lies?

So evidently you're a liar as well, being that you can't produce a vid showing Romney stating he left Bain to avoid being accused of killing pensions.
Apparently you would be unfit to hold office due to your lies.

All politicians lie.

 d-usa wrote:
So if everybody pays into the services, then everybody has a small part in your success. But when Obama says that it is offensive?

It's more how he said it. like I said earlier:

it was needlessly insulting. He wasn’t just calling on successful people to pay more in tax but was being dismissive of their accomplishments.

The piece before that, he said (that's, why the overall context is worse):

I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Lemme get this straight... he's always struck by people who take credit for their own successes? Obviously, every successful outcome in life, and every failed one, arises from a combination of internal and external factors. But it's the tone when he said this, amused by the very idea of people taking credit for their achievements, was very off-putting.

It's like... we're not supposed to be proud of something we've achieved in our lives. Really!??!

That speech was JARRING.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So if everybody pays into the services, then everybody has a small part in your success. But when Obama says that it is offensive?

It's more how he said it. like I said earlier:

it was needlessly insulting. He wasn’t just calling on successful people to pay more in tax but was being dismissive of their accomplishments.

The piece before that, he said (that's, why the overall context is worse):

I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Lemme get this straight... he's always struck by people who take credit for their own successes? Obviously, every successful outcome in life, and every failed one, arises from a combination of internal and external factors. But it's the tone when he said this, amused by the very idea of people taking credit for their achievements, was very off-putting.

It's like... we're not supposed to be proud of something we've achieved in our lives. Really!??!

That speech was JARRING.

So all taxpayers should be very offended because our contributions are being dismissed by the Republican National Convention. Everywhere I look there are signs saying "WE BUILD IT" as if they didn't have any help.

 whembly wrote:

It's like... we're not supposed to be proud of something we've achieved in our lives. Really!??!

Pride goes before destruction.

While I don't literally believe that being proud of an achievement is going to lead to destruction, it can definitely lead to philosophical blindness and vulnerability to certain types of rhetoric.

Its very, very easy to appeal to pride in order to convince people of something.

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

It's like... we're not supposed to be proud of something we've achieved in our lives. Really!??!

Pride goes before destruction.

While I don't literally believe that being proud of an achievement is going to lead to destruction, it can definitely lead to philosophical blindness and vulnerability to certain types of rhetoric.

Its very, very easy to appeal to pride in order to convince people of something.

Yeah... I'd except that. And I also know that my dislike for the guy is influencing my opinions.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
So if everybody pays into the services, then everybody has a small part in your success. But when Obama says that it is offensive?

It's more how he said it. like I said earlier:

it was needlessly insulting. He wasn’t just calling on successful people to pay more in tax but was being dismissive of their accomplishments.

The piece before that, he said (that's, why the overall context is worse):

I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Lemme get this straight... he's always struck by people who take credit for their own successes? Obviously, every successful outcome in life, and every failed one, arises from a combination of internal and external factors. But it's the tone when he said this, amused by the very idea of people taking credit for their achievements, was very off-putting.

It's like... we're not supposed to be proud of something we've achieved in our lives. Really!??!

That speech was JARRING.

Hate to say it boss, but convincing people to change political ideologies is about like convincing people to change their religion. It will only give you gray hairs. Over time they will change their ideology or they won't.

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

It's like... we're not supposed to be proud of something we've achieved in our lives. Really!??!

Pride goes before destruction.

While I don't literally believe that being proud of an achievement is going to lead to destruction, it can definitely lead to philosophical blindness and vulnerability to certain types of rhetoric.

Its very, very easy to appeal to pride in order to convince people of something.

I tend to find that really really fething irritating and usually dense people crow on about pride all the time.

Patriotism and Pride.. two P's I can happily live without people ever displaying. Strange for a military man I know, but Its always been the puniest and stupidest soldiers that seemed to need to vocally gob off about Pride and Patriotism all the time.. the rest of us just seemed to shut the feth up and.. you know.. do stuff.

 Frazzled wrote:
So evidently you're a liar as well, being that you can't produce a vid showing Romney stating he left Bain to avoid being accused of killing pensions.
Apparently you would be unfit to hold office due to your lies.

Maybe I should run, I'll run as a republican in Texas so you'd believe everything I say.

So tell me fraz, how can he leave a job in 1999, keep getting paid for 2 years as the CEO and sole shareholder, then spin off other companies if he stopped having anything to do with it? What possible reasons could he have for trying to distance himself from his own company? Yet claim it's his business experience that will help get america out of its recession.

Isn't it amazing how every other president/CEO gets blamed/credit for all his companies success or failures, Except romney. He's in charge yet has no responsibility in anything that happened under his leadership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital
At the time of its bankruptcy it reported $553.9 million in debts against $395.2 in assets. Bain reported $58.4 million in profits, the employee pension fund had a liability of $44 million.

Isn't it great how you can bankrupt a company, make a huge profit, and leave the pension liability for the taxpayers. Ah the american dream, All the rewards and none of the blame.

Maybe we should just believe everyone who says they're innocent, until they decide to say they're guilty of something.

 mattyrm wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 whembly wrote:

It's like... we're not supposed to be proud of something we've achieved in our lives. Really!??!

Pride goes before destruction.

While I don't literally believe that being proud of an achievement is going to lead to destruction, it can definitely lead to philosophical blindness and vulnerability to certain types of rhetoric.

Its very, very easy to appeal to pride in order to convince people of something.

I tend to find that really really fething irritating and usually dense people crow on about pride all the time.

Patriotism and Pride.. two P's I can happily live without people ever displaying. Strange for a military man I know, but Its always been the puniest and stupidest soldiers that seemed to need to vocally gob off about Pride and Patriotism all the time.. the rest of us just seemed to shut the feth up and.. you know.. do stuff.

Excessive Pride and Patriotism does get grating...

I just don't think it's "wrong" to have pride in what you do and who you are...

But... I'm a heathen as PRIDE is one of the 7 deadly sins!

Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

I like dogs.

Pride is accomplishment after the action. You can only take PRIDE when you retire and hand it off to your kids to run. Then have mild heart attacks when they bolo occasionaly.


Hhhmmmm maybe I need to start pointing out some of Obama lies........

TheHammer wrote:
Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

TBH, Frazzled is my favorite poster that I consistently and strongly disagree with.

 Jihadin wrote:
Pride is accomplishment after the action. You can only take PRIDE when you retire and hand it off to your kids to run. Then have mild heart attacks when they bolo occasionaly.


Hhhmmmm maybe I need to start pointing out some of Obama lies........

Sure lets see what you've got, And lets have full context as well. None of this taking 4 words out of context and claiming he lied.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Pride is accomplishment after the action. You can only take PRIDE when you retire and hand it off to your kids to run. Then have mild heart attacks when they bolo occasionaly.


Hhhmmmm maybe I need to start pointing out some of Obama lies........

Sure lets see what you've got, And lets have full context as well. None of this taking 4 words out of context and claiming he lied.

I would like to know Obama's personal opinion on the War on Drugs, marijuana specifically.

TheHammer wrote:
Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

Frazzled hasnt posted any pictures of his dogs to my awareness, now I would warn you against personal attacks on people, yes politics is a tense field, but keep it professional.

P.S. The legion of Dachshunds is watching you. (Yes I am a fellow dachshund owner too )

Maybe I should run, I'll run as a republican in Texas so you'd believe everything I say.
***Bad idea. I haven’t voted for a Republican for federal office from Texas in my lifetime.

So tell me fraz, how can he leave a job in 1999, keep getting paid for 2 years as the CEO and sole shareholder,
***ownership dividends.
then spin off other companies if he stopped having anything to do with it?
***Not sure what you mean by “then spin off other companies.”
What possible reasons could he have for trying to distance himself from his own company?
***At least four reasons for no longer being part of “your own company” 1) Run the Olympics. 2) Run a charity; 3) Get into politics. If the political positions you are running for are full time you can’t run a company now can you. 4) You’re steenking rich and want to retire. Oh and of course 5) Your wiener dogs told you too.
Yet claim it's his business experience that will help get america out of its recession.
***There’s no negative connotation, except maybe in your head.

Isn't it amazing how every other president/CEO gets blamed/credit for all his companies success or failures, Except romney.
***You seem to be doing a lot of blaming. Bain itself however is anything but a failure for its investors. I’m sure the various funds have done awesome.
****He's in charge yet has no responsibility in anything that happened under his leadership.
Only if he was CEO or Chairman in the context .

In another possibly uncomfortable revelation for U.S. officials who say bin Laden's body was treated with dignity before being given a full Muslim burial at sea, the author reveals that in the cramped helicopter flight out of the compound, one of the SEALs called "Walt" was sitting on bin Laden's chest as the body lay at the author's feet in the middle of the cabin.

Obama said full dignity and respect did he not.

feeder wrote:

TheHammer wrote:
Anyone else getting bored with people lying on here, and then just getting snarky and posting pictures of dogs whenever they're cornered by their own lies and stupidity?

=(

TBH, Frazzled is my favorite poster that I consistently and strongly disagree with.

I disagree with Frazz on many things, I also agree with him on many things.

One of the tricks to talking to him is knowing when he is serious, and when he just likes to pretend we are a bunch of cats chasing his Wiener Legion controlled laser pointer while he posts.

Frazzled is our resident crazy uncle who might just have Tourettes, but everybody thinks he is funny to hang out with.

Yeah, but Frazzled isn't that cute or fun. He just uses that as a way to back out of discussions he has clearly lost but won't man up about.

 Jihadin wrote:

In another possibly uncomfortable revelation for U.S. officials who say bin Laden's body was treated with dignity before being given a full Muslim burial at sea, the author reveals that in the cramped helicopter flight out of the compound, one of the SEALs called "Walt" was sitting on bin Laden's chest as the body lay at the author's feet in the middle of the cabin.

Obama said full dignity and respect did he not.

Well if the guy who is profiting on the killing of one of our greatest enemies without clearing his book with the pentagon and making sure nothing he wrote endangers anybody else while also trying to debut it on the anniversary of 9/11 in a "happy everybody died day, now give me money to read how we killed the bastard" kinda way said that is wasn't true, then it probably wasn't.