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I've got a question for the good folks of Dakka today. Is using the all tank list from IA considered cheese by the general masses? I ask because I've been trying it out at around 1000pts and it has been loads of fun. I do want to switch to dems and similar because the range of the leman russ does make me use them more like turrets than actual tanks. But I happen to really like using tanks and I LOVE the Vostroyan color scheme for tanks(although I still can't get that green-white they have in the book.) so the list is really quite fun for me but I'd like it to be fun for opponents too.

So would you play against someone using a all(or mostly) tank army? Particularly if the list is mostly more short-range tanks?

I would, tank armies generally have a low model count. All I have to do is pop them with my plasma/LC. I would definitely play you.

There are cheesier things out there.

Kind of a depands what all vehicle means . If it is a list out of only vendettas , valks and FW flyers then some people may have problems with that . Or an IA armored company alling in normal IG to get valks and vendettas . Works too . offten better then pure IG lists in smaller points games , because its harder to kill tanks then 40-50 guardsman for some lists.

Okay so It's not anything that I'm likely to get hit with a thunder hammer for using? I'd like to not tick off the local group if/when I get down there to play. I certainly do not want to come off as a WAAC player, just a guy who loves tanks.

Likely not including valks or vendettas, not unless I find that I have to. I'm talking almost 100% leman russ. Currently I only have 1 non leman russ vehicle in the army(1 group of infantry with chimera.) and only plan on 1 or 2 more just for objective taking. The rest of the army will be tanks. Edit: Opps that is a lie. I actually have a basilisk thrown in there as well, but more as a "well I have one, might as well use it." sort of thing.

What I've noticed from the few games so far is that AV14 needs to be flat out destroyed. There isn't a easy cost effective way to glance them to death which is very sad for nids. My mate hasn't had much luck with GK either yet. That being said, moving that many tanks in a way that doesn't expose armor is suprisingly difficult! Much more difficult than a smaller scale game(ahem, fow.) and I very much like the challenge.

Off-topic ish: How do you guys generally outfit russies? I find that sponsons are a waste of points but can't decide if i like the lascannon option or not. It's awesome when it works and frustrating when it doesn't. I lean towards not using them.

No, it's a fun list.

Some lists can be done well, possibly depending on the game, but it's generally not that great, but it is a lot of fun.

The IA tank list wasn't cheesy even in 5th ed when tanks were usable, it has a low number of potential scoring units, actually itself has some issues with AT relative to many other armies.

In 6th, it is exceedingly easy to kill given that it still has the lack of scoring units and can't even contest really anymore, and that tanks are easier to kill now, with lower expected lifespans, than they ever have been in 40k's history by a significant margin.

There's really no instance where a competent opponent with an all-comers list should have any problem with the IA Armored Battlegroup list, most will likely find it a rather softball opponent.

 Vaktathi wrote:
There's really no instance where a competent opponent with an all-comers list should have any problem with the IA Armored Battlegroup list, most will likely find it a rather softball opponent.

Pretty much this - although I would also turn up with a standard IG list, just in case.

I have not played my IG in 6th yet but back in 3rd and 4th when tanks were death traps a lot of people had trouble dealing with a mech guard list, by this I mean all infantry mounted in chimeras and russ tanks for heavies. For me it was 7 chimeras (with troops inside), 3 LR , a salamander and 4 sentinels. From what I see it was easier to take out tanks in 3rd & 4th when a glance could destroy it out right. The hull point gives a little more staying power than those older glancing tables. That being said I think you can still do well with a mech tank list as long as you have plenty of troops to hold objectives in those chimeras.

Most armies have some anti tank stuff in them, but in a standard 1750-2500 point list most people don't have fire power to deal with 10-15 tanks of any kind. Even if they have 4 lascannons which is a lot for some people that is only 4 tanks a turn assuming they hit every time.

Give it a few games you might be surprised a few people. I don't think a lot of people are expecting to see tanks these days you might catch them off guard. It's not cheesy if you do it in a tasteful way. I am not saying that you will win all the time, but you could do well.

its a good list, its got some glaring weakneses as other have said, you will probably steam roll your oponents the first few games and then your mates will have to adapt to your list and vice versa, its part of what makes 40k as fun as it is.

I wish I could convince my buddies to play against it, I love running Armored Battlegroup. The new sixth rules have made tanks a lot easier to kill, I think it made Armored Battlegroup easier to fight against.

 The Mad Tanker wrote:
I wish I could convince my buddies to play against it, I love running Armored Battlegroup. The new sixth rules have made tanks a lot easier to kill, I think it made Armored Battlegroup easier to fight against.

Its true, cant see why they wont allow it, if they argue take an all vendetta list and go "which do you prefur?"

 The Mad Tanker wrote:
I wish I could convince my buddies to play against it, I love running Armored Battlegroup. The new sixth rules have made tanks a lot easier to kill, I think it made Armored Battlegroup easier to fight against.

It wasn't very hard to defeat in the previous edition given it's lack of scoring units, especially tough ones. In 6th it's absurdly easy to deal with.

Just keep in mind that at a 1,000pts, most people will have trouble killing only 2 russes, sounds like you're taking around 4 or 5. always check with your opponent and give them an idea of what they're in for. Most lists should be able to handle it no problem. If you get caught in melee, it's game over for your army, and you'll have very few scoring units, meanin you'll have to rely on almost entirely wiping your opponent.

Besides, it'll be more interesting to play againts thatn a leafblower I don't think many people will have issues with it as long as you give them a heads up.

They'll only have trouble if they're trying to kill it with long range single shot weapons, and even then it's still more than twice as easy as it was in 5E. If they can get close with meltaguns or krak grenades, they won't have an issue, especially without masses of infantry.

It's not cheesy at all, the only scoring units are regular guard squads (not vets) in chimeras. Just don't try and claim that Troop Russes are scoring....

Some armies will struggle a bit with it, especially orks. Most decent balanced lists will have a distinct edge over an armoured battlegroup.

Do read the veteran crew abilities carefully - several are much less good than they appear at first glance.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
It's not cheesy at all, the only scoring units are regular guard squads (not vets) in chimeras. Just don't try and claim that Troop Russes are scoring....

Some armies will struggle a bit with it, especially orks. Most decent balanced lists will have a distinct edge over an armoured battlegroup.

Do read the veteran crew abilities carefully - several are much less good than they appear at first glance.

Yeah some dude tried telling me that the executioner (plasma one) could fire twice, and he had a unit of 3... he was firing 30 plasma cannon shots at me a turn.... well yeah... he cheated a little.

 Formosa wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
It's not cheesy at all, the only scoring units are regular guard squads (not vets) in chimeras. Just don't try and claim that Troop Russes are scoring....

Some armies will struggle a bit with it, especially orks. Most decent balanced lists will have a distinct edge over an armoured battlegroup.

Do read the veteran crew abilities carefully - several are much less good than they appear at first glance.

Yeah some dude tried telling me that the executioner (plasma one) could fire twice, and he had a unit of 3... he was firing 30 plasma cannon shots at me a turn.... well yeah... he cheated a little.

Yeah you can only do that ability once a game, it has to fire at the same target, and it means that you can't fire any other weapons that turn. I also believe it's for ordnance weapons only as well. It's called "slick loader" or something like that.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
It's not cheesy at all, the only scoring units are regular guard squads (not vets) in chimeras. Just don't try and claim that Troop Russes are scoring....

Some armies will struggle a bit with it, especially orks. Most decent balanced lists will have a distinct edge over an armoured battlegroup.

Do read the veteran crew abilities carefully - several are much less good than they appear at first glance.

Yeah some dude tried telling me that the executioner (plasma one) could fire twice, and he had a unit of 3... he was firing 30 plasma cannon shots at me a turn.... well yeah... he cheated a little.

Yeah you can only do that ability once a game, it has to fire at the same target, and it means that you can't fire any other weapons that turn. I also believe it's for ordnance weapons only as well. It's called "slick loader" or something like that.

yep

I actually don't mind having little to no scoring. My Death Company have the same issue anyway. I do find it hilarious that someone would even consider Russes scoring.

Sounds like it would be a great wtf list. Much better than almost any other Guard list it would seem.

which IA book is this in, im interested in learning about this seeing how im a IG player myself

Personally, I find it only cheesy if it's sprung on an opponent. While people take a lot of anti tank weapons, and it's enough to deal with the few transports and battle tanks in most armies, an all vehicle army makes 90% of the other armies weapons useless, because you won't be feilding transports that medium strength weapons can reliably hurt, you'll be feilding lots of battle tanks.

This is one of those situations where warning an opponent beforehand is a good idea. It's a list that does need at least some tailoring against to avoid extreme frustration.