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At least a quarter of Americans still don’t know who Paul Ryan is, and only about half who know and have an opinion of him view him favorably.
So, Ryan’s primary job tonight was to introduce himself and make himself seem likeable, and he did that well. The personal parts of the speech were very personally delivered, especially the touching parts where Ryan talked about his father and mother and their roles in his life. And at the end of the speech, when Ryan cheered the crowd to its feet, he showed an energy and enthusiasm that’s what voters want in leaders and what Republicans have been desperately lacking in this campaign.
To anyone watching Ryan’s speech who hasn’t been paying much attention to the ins and outs and accusations of the campaign, I suspect Ryan came across as a smart, passionate and all-around nice guy — the sort of guy you can imagine having a friendly chat with while watching your kids play soccer together. And for a lot of voters, what matters isn’t what candidates have done or what they promise to do —it’s personality. On this measure, Mitt Romney has been catastrophically struggling and with his speech, Ryan humanized himself and presumably by extension, the top of the ticket.
2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.
Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.
Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.
3. Distracting
And then there’s what Ryan didn’t talk about.
Ryan didn’t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.
Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.
Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.
Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit.
These aspects of Ryan’s resume and ideology are sticky to say the least. He would have been wise to tackle them head on and try and explain them away in his first real introduction to voters. But instead of Ryan airing his own dirty laundry, Democrats will get the chance.
At the end of his speech, Ryan quoted his dad, who used to say to him, “"Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution."
Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan’s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate.
Sally Kohn is a writer and Fox News contributor. You can find her online at http://sallykohn.com or on Twitter@sallykohn.
Its Fox News remember. It favors the right.....so its LIES!!!! Actually I read it last night. Its a good read. Is there one for Obama?
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OH I See, they put it on the Opinion page, So for those who watch fox news, let me know if anyone of their "fair and balanced" news teams talks about it.
I vaguely recall a study awhile back showing that even when Fox and CBS(?) CNN(?) I forget which, run the same story ; the exact same story, people are less likely to believe it coming from Fox. Id like to think yhat report gave them a bit of pause and that theyre trying to clean up their act a bit. Storys like this sort of support that.
Unfortunately then all of their political but not-news stories air and set the whole thing back a bit.
Still, every once in awhile Fox does some good work (regardless of whether or not I agree with said work). In this case I do agree however.
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Jihadin wrote: Its Fox News remember. It favors the right.....so its LIES!!!! Actually I read it last night. Its a good read. Is there one for Obama?
I don't think he spoke at the convention. I could be wrong on that though.
Sally Kohn styles herself as a liberally aligned woman working at fox, so it could be that she's being pulled for the article so that fox can distance itself from having to defend the speech. Fox isn't a monolith though, especially online, and I wouldn't doubt that the editorial section of their 24 hour network will start to defame leftist "gotchya" politics. As well put together as their daytime crew is, foxes other outlets sometimes go against grain.
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AustonT wrote: From Sallykohn.com Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan's GOP convention ...
Ahh, there it is. I wonder if the're pulling a tear down where tomorrow the 5pm talking heads will defend her right to free speech but will call out her self professed "extreme views" and attempt to muddy the waters on ryans lies by throwing their own accuser under a bus. I love foxes propaganda tactics, they're masters of the game. It's like watching an artist paint a beautiful painting using sociology and media psychology.
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AustonT wrote: From Sallykohn.com
Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan's GOP convention ...
Ahh, there it is. I wonder if the're pulling a tear down where tomorrow the 5pm talking heads will defend her right to free speech but will call out her self professed "extreme views" and attempt to muddy the waters on ryans lies by throwing their own accuser under a bus.
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This thread is dissapoint. I was hoping for more of this:
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AustonT wrote: From Sallykohn.com Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan's GOP convention ...
Ahh, there it is. I wonder if the're pulling a tear down where tomorrow the 5pm talking heads will defend her right to free speech but will call out her self professed "extreme views" and attempt to muddy the waters on ryans lies by throwing their own accuser under a bus.
This is the network that hired Alan Coombs and threw him under the bus for years so that the right wing counterpoints could seem consistently triumphant. This is the network that hired Glen Beck to talk about investing in gold and complain that Obama is destroying the economy while being a major investor in the gold funds being hawked. This is the network that fired a reporting team 24 hours after after they ran a story about corruption by Monsanto at the request of Monsanto.
I'm deadly serious. They play these games. The executive memos have been leaked regularly and consistently for years. Fox news tells stories, not the news. Their coverage is directed, has a point, and is decided upon before events occur. They're winning the news ratings game despite being the worst network at telling the news factually or without bias. Did that ever not seem strange to you?
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I think there was a nice clip a few weeks ago where the talking heads at FoxNews were angry because something that a Romney aide said made their job to get Romney elected harder.
d-usa wrote: I think there was a nice clip a few weeks ago where the talking heads at FoxNews were angry because something that a Romney aide said made their job to get Romney elected harder.
This article isn't easy to find on foxes website either. It's "trending" on their ticker but that's based on hits which are being spread via twitter and facebook right now, not because the article is easy to find. If they wanted a meaningful commentary on the speech it would be visible, but this is here to be defamed later, not read now. There are 5 articles about his speech on their politics page, this is not one of them.
:edit: I found it! It's on their opinions page halfway down immediately below a longer article pimping the speech and talking about how great it was.
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AustonT wrote: From Sallykohn.com
Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan's GOP convention ...
Ahh, there it is. I wonder if the're pulling a tear down where tomorrow the 5pm talking heads will defend her right to free speech but will call out her self professed "extreme views" and attempt to muddy the waters on ryans lies by throwing their own accuser under a bus.
This is the network that hired Alan Coombs and threw him under the bus for years so that the right wing counterpoints could seem consistently triumphant. This is the network that hired Glen Beck to talk about investing in gold and complain that Obama is destroying the economy while being a major investor in the gold funds being hawked. This is the network that fired a reporting team 24 hours after after they ran a story about corruption by Monsanto at the request of Monsanto.
I'm deadly serious. They play these games. The executive memos have been leaked regularly and consistently for years. Fox news tells stories, not the news. Their coverage is directed, has a point, and is decided upon before events occur. They're winning the news ratings game despite being the worst network at telling the news factually or without bias. Did that ever not seem strange to you?
Putting it that way... yeah... that is strange.
They have a successful formula that people lap it up.
Like Fox's FIVE having a token Lib in Bob Beckel.
Btw, I like O'Reily... I may be wrong but he seems moderate. I tried watching Hannity & Colmes and just couldn't. I'd rather watch CNN... but, then again, I usually dont' as I'm watching sports
AustonT wrote: From Sallykohn.com Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan's GOP convention ...
Ahh, there it is. I wonder if the're pulling a tear down where tomorrow the 5pm talking heads will defend her right to free speech but will call out her self professed "extreme views" and attempt to muddy the waters on ryans lies by throwing their own accuser under a bus.
This is the network that hired Alan Coombs and threw him under the bus for years so that the right wing counterpoints could seem consistently triumphant. This is the network that hired Glen Beck to talk about investing in gold and complain that Obama is destroying the economy while being a major investor in the gold funds being hawked. This is the network that fired a reporting team 24 hours after after they ran a story about corruption by Monsanto at the request of Monsanto.
I'm deadly serious. They play these games. The executive memos have been leaked regularly and consistently for years. Fox news tells stories, not the news. Their coverage is directed, has a point, and is decided upon before events occur. They're winning the news ratings game despite being the worst network at telling the news factually or without bias. Did that ever not seem strange to you?
Putting it that way... yeah... that is strange.
They have a successful formula that people lap it up.
Like Fox's FIVE having a token Lib in Bob Beckel.
Btw, I like O'Reily... I may be wrong but he seems moderate. I tried watching Hannity & Colmes and just couldn't. I'd rather watch CNN... but, then again, I usually dont' as I'm watching sports
Part of fox news' overall network directive is re framing the center of the debate. O'Rielly isn't "realistically" presented as a moderate by any stretch. He's a hardcore fiscal and social conservative that sometimes disagrees with himself on social issues when the network doesn't want to be ideologically aligned with terrorists or liberals in some way. Think of any of the major news commentators of the last 50 years. Virtually all are considered to be politically "left" now. This is a shift in perception that occurred in the 90s along with the rise and distillation of Fox news as a brand.
Look at the way fox news has changed how American news casting works. It's not about presenting a factual story or informative editorial, it's about the political narrative now, the id. Commentary on other forms of media makes up a third of their news now. The ideological stances of modern news outlets didn't really "solidify" as existent until fox news began to accuse networks of having massive bias. They invented the "war on Christmas", they invented the modern american "culture war". They have in 20 years totally reclassified the term "socialist" into being a slang for "liberal american or european beliefs" only a decade after actual socialist revolutions stopped happening. That's insane. It's the most successful propaganda engine to ever exist. As a mass and social media student (and attempting professional) I'm actually in awe of the skills they show off.
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To jump off Shuma's point about the beauty and artistry of FOX news propoganda....
If I was aspiring to be a politican, and I had the choice to be either a Democrat or a Republican, I would be a Republican. I have very few beliefs that align with their platform, but as a party they are amazingly organized, funded, supported with talking points, and have incredible party discipline.
It is a no brainer.
Therefore, I admire the way the Republicans and FOX play the game, even though I am diametrically opposed to almost everything they believe.
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Easy E wrote: To jump off Shuma's point about the beauty and artistry of FOX news propoganda....
If I was aspiring to be a politican, and I had the choice to be either a Democrat or a Republican, I would be a Republican. I have very few beliefs that align with their platform, but as a party they are amazingly organized, funded, supported with talking points, and have incredible party discipline.
It is a no brainer.
Therefore, I admire the way the Republicans and FOX play the game, even though I am diametrically opposed to almost everything they believe.
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Easy E wrote: To jump off Shuma's point about the beauty and artistry of FOX news propoganda....
If I was aspiring to be a politican, and I had the choice to be either a Democrat or a Republican, I would be a Republican. I have very few beliefs that align with their platform, but as a party they are amazingly organized, funded, supported with talking points, and have incredible party discipline.
It is a no brainer.
Therefore, I admire the way the Republicans and FOX play the game, even though I am diametrically opposed to almost everything they believe.
Really? I always thought Dems really had thier gak together when it came to organization and funding. What they definitely have over the Reps is Branding. Just look at Obama's first campaign the O symbol and one word catch phrases like hope and change with his face. They really know how to brand a candidate and thier party. Reps always come off stiff necked and monolithic. I think the grass may always be greener.
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LordofHats wrote: Everyone should love Papa Bear O'Reily, probably the closest thing to sanity on Fox News (closest that is)
I'm sorry lolwhut?
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Agh, I feel violated, there's a fething scientology ad on that video >.<
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Easy E wrote: To jump off Shuma's point about the beauty and artistry of FOX news propoganda....
If I was aspiring to be a politican, and I had the choice to be either a Democrat or a Republican, I would be a Republican. I have very few beliefs that align with their platform, but as a party they are amazingly organized, funded, supported with talking points, and have incredible party discipline.
It is a no brainer.
Therefore, I admire the way the Republicans and FOX play the game, even though I am diametrically opposed to almost everything they believe.
Really? I always thought Dems really had thier gak together when it came to organization and funding. What they definitely have over the Reps is Branding. Just look at Obama's first campaign the O symbol and one word catch phrases like hope and change with his face. They really know how to brand a candidate and thier party. Reps always come off stiff necked and monolithic. I think the grass may always be greener.
Oh god no, the democratic party is horrible at remaining cohesive and actually playing the game of politics. Think about when the dems won a super-majority in congress, had the Democratic party tried to do something similar to the republican stonewall it would have fallen flat on its face. The Dems have to many disparate groups and interests in their party that they try to cater to. A lot of this stems from the role of conservative vs liberal (both with a small c and l) values, all the conservative has to do is maintain the status quo while a liberal has to attempt to gain enough support to change it.
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