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 Harriticus wrote:
If you think American and Western media treats conservative celebrities the same as liberal ones, then I dunno what channels you've been watching.

Right, one of these arguments. Let me guess, you're one of those people that reads relative neutrality as fawning because its a failure to condemn without any regard for what is being regarded neutrally, and which sources are doing the regarding. Instead its just "the media".

I think I come across as a fairly liberal poster in many regards, and I did vote for Obama.

I have been a firm believer since 2010 that Obama would be a one-term president, that everything going on in the US favors a Republican taking the office in 2013 and that the only thing the GOP had to do was to keep calm and collected and not feth this up, maybe run a moderate candidate just to be safe although this election was in their bag.

And every day I am amazed at just how bad they are screwing themselves out of a sure shot at the white house. 18 months ago I would have bet money that Obama did not have a chance at a second term, but they keep on profing me wrong.

From George Takei's Twitter:

Not to be outdone, the DNC has hired Betty White to get jiggy with a holographic Tupac.

Meh....

Simpsons did it first:



(I can tell by the pixels)

 d-usa wrote:
I think I come across as a fairly liberal poster in many regards, and I did vote for Obama.

I have been a firm believer since 2010 that Obama would be a one-term president, that everything going on in the US favors a Republican taking the office in 2013 and that the only thing the GOP had to do was to keep calm and collected and not feth this up, maybe run a moderate candidate just to be safe although this election was in their bag.

And every day I am amazed at just how bad they are screwing themselves out of a sure shot at the white house. 18 months ago I would have bet money that Obama did not have a chance at a second term, but they keep on profing me wrong.

Obama is extremely vulnerable on paper. But I agree that the GOP's quest for ideological purity has hurt them immensely in Presidential races. Something's wrong when the party won't give a man like Colin Powell a shot, or a man like John McCain their unconditional support.

And although I think Romney is a flawed candidate, he kinda creeps into that category too. I think the real Romney would play well in some battleground states. But of course, people aren't sure who the real Romney is anymore.

I should say that the race to be the rightiest probably works well in state and especially local races in some regions. It just doesn't (and can't) play well in all parts of the country in a national race. And because the party has stocked itself with so many ideologues, it's unclear at what point they'll come to understand their problems and adjust. Although they will adjust eventually. Winning ultimately trumps everything, even the loftiest of ideals.

I think the popular vote will be fairly close, but I just don't see the electoral math working for the GOP. Too many battleground states seem to be leaning Obama's way. Heck, Obama's even up in Wisconsin.

At the beginning I was saying that Romney was the best candidate they had running. And I think if moderate Romney would have ran and Moderate Romney had a fair shot he probably could have won.

But during the primary the base wanted anybody but Romney. Just look at the field they ran and think about the fact that pretty much every single one of them was at one point a more preferred candidate than Romney. Romney had to distort himself so much to the right that he just pissed off the moderates that he would have easily had in his pocket.

There would have been a lot less flip-flops to trip over if he wouldn't have been forced to play the base like he did.

I think an Obama v. Romney battle would look a lot different today if it wouldn't have been for the primaries.

That does continue to be a bit of an issue with the republican party. To win tje primaries you have to win the far right. To win the presidency, you have to win the middle. Problem is by the time they're done pandering to the right for the nom, the middle wants nothing to do with them.

 d-usa wrote:
At the beginning I was saying that Romney was the best candidate they had running. And I think if moderate Romney would have ran and Moderate Romney had a fair shot he probably could have won.

But during the primary the base wanted anybody but Romney. Just look at the field they ran and think about the fact that pretty much every single one of them was at one point a more preferred candidate than Romney. Romney had to distort himself so much to the right that he just pissed off the moderates that he would have easily had in his pocket.

There would have been a lot less flip-flops to trip over if he wouldn't have been forced to play the base like he did.

I think an Obama v. Romney battle would look a lot different today if it wouldn't have been for the primaries.

Well, that's easier said than done. The energy from the populists in the GOP is a real force and the strongest I've seen in my lifetime, even if there are some astroturf politics at work there. It's tempting to tap that energy, especially on a state and local level like I said. Remember that there are all levels of candidates trying to get elected. The GOP leadership seemed to have a better grip on the leash in the past. But now it seems like that dog is running wild.

IMO, a lot of this started late in the last election, when things started getting ugly in the crowds at some of the McCain/Palin campaign stops. The populist base just got angrier after losing the election, and the Tea Party kinda channeled things...somewhat. But it does seem that organization -- such as it is -- increased the force, kinda like water through a narrowing pipe. Witness the Tea Partiers in Congress playing the games they did with the debt ceiling. I think it's safe to say that the old GOP never would have allowed those shenanigans, given the high stakes.

The GOP leadership somehow needs to get them back in their cages. The country's demographics are clearly moving away from them, not toward them, and the GOP could be looking at a long absence from the White House. Does anyone want to bet against Hillary in 2016 with Bill in tow? I wouldn't.

Stay too far to the right and they risk becoming a regional party of sorts. But I don't think things will get to that point. Eventually they'll do what they have to in order to win.

I heard an intersting poll number on NPR the other day. I don't recall the original source. They stated:

Romney is up by 9% with Male voters.
Obama is up by 10% with Female voters.

Then, combine this with some of the other data around demographics voting, and you see the the Republicans ar ethe party of Old, white guys. However, they can still stay relavant for now, because there are a heckuva lot of old white guys right now.

Old white guys and married women.

I think we might see the same thing that we are seeing with the Tea Party.

As more of the extreme guys get elected, and deliver exactly what they promised, more people will see what kind of people they are rooting for.

Keep in mind that the congress that includes the people that the Tea Party was the most enthusiastic about also has a 14% approval rating. The candidates kept their word and did exactly what they said they would do, but people are realizing just exactly what that means.

 Frazzled wrote:
Old white guys and married women.

I would say for married women it is fairly split between Democrats and ones whose husbands make them vote for Republicans.

I imagine married gay women more often then not aren't voting for Romney, but then that would really only affect his home state.

yep. its wondrous.

d-usa

I think I come across as a fairly liberal poster in many regards, and I did vote for Obama.

Yeah, but you supported Germany during Euro 2012, so you've burnt your bridges with me

Lets be honest here, If Romney and Obama are the best that the USA can produce, it's no wonder the USA is going downwhill. That's not a slur against America. The UK's leaders are even worse. As I've said 100 times before, the calibre of politician is sadly lacking. Maybe societies do get the leaders they deserve?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
d-usa

I think I come across as a fairly liberal poster in many regards, and I did vote for Obama.

Yeah, but you supported Germany during Euro 2012, so you've burnt your bridges with me

Lets be honest here, If Romney and Obama are the best that the USA can produce, it's no wonder the USA is going downwhill. That's not a slur against America. The UK's leaders are even worse. As I've said 100 times before, the calibre of politician is sadly lacking. Maybe societies do get the leaders they deserve?

We're just waiting for the Emperor to reveal himself so that we can get on with conquering the galaxy...

So Obama is the false Chosen One? WTF!?!?!?! We're still waiting on the Emperor to show up........is it...Putin?

I like Putin.

I also like the president of Iran, but that's just because he has a pretty bad ass beard.

What other head of States on their first dive discovered ancient artificats.

I'm more impressed by the fact he has nubile young women supporting him by offering free car washes.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/pictures/photos-11129/pictures-i-really-like-putin-girls-car-wash/1

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
d-usa

I think I come across as a fairly liberal poster in many regards, and I did vote for Obama.

Yeah, but you supported Germany during Euro 2012, so you've burnt your bridges with me

Lets be honest here, If Romney and Obama are the best that the USA can produce, it's no wonder the USA is going downwhill. That's not a slur against America. The UK's leaders are even worse. As I've said 100 times before, the calibre of politician is sadly lacking. Maybe societies do get the leaders they deserve?

Obama and Romney aren't the best we can proiduce.

They're just the best the inherently broken system that we have will allow.

 Melissia wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
d-usa

I think I come across as a fairly liberal poster in many regards, and I did vote for Obama.

Yeah, but you supported Germany during Euro 2012, so you've burnt your bridges with me

Lets be honest here, If Romney and Obama are the best that the USA can produce, it's no wonder the USA is going downwhill. That's not a slur against America. The UK's leaders are even worse. As I've said 100 times before, the calibre of politician is sadly lacking. Maybe societies do get the leaders they deserve?

Obama and Romney aren't the best we can proiduce.

They're just the best the inherently broken system that we have will allow.

They are also only 2 of the candidates that are currently running, but between the media only focusing on the big two and most people thinking "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote that is thrown away" we never hear about the other ones.

 Amaya wrote:
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, but the second point does stand that conservative celebrities are constantly berated.

No, Chuck Norris is a super conservative that believes gays should have less right and he seems to be loved by a lot of people, especially those who are still trapped in 2006 where Chuck Norris jokes seemed to reign along with yo mama jokes

gorgon wrote:

I think the popular vote will be fairly close, but I just don't see the electoral math working for the GOP. Too many battleground states seem to be leaning Obama's way. Heck, Obama's even up in Wisconsin.

My hope is that Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama wins on electoral votes.

Only hilarity can ensure from such an event.

Electoral tie, House picks Romney and Senate picks Obama. Instant sitcom.

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 dogma wrote:
My hope is that Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama wins on electoral votes.

Only hilarity can ensure from such an event.

My personal post of the day. /golfclap

Well, considering how James Hetfield is apparently a table, I'm not too surprised that conversations are being held with chairs nowadays.

So after watching clint eastwood and his empty chair routine, it was a riot. I love how he bashed obama and romney at the same time pure genius.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well, considering how James Hetfield is apparently a table, I'm not too surprised that conversations are being held with chairs nowadays.

What?

[whembly loves Metallica] rock on dude! \m/




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sirlynchmob wrote:
So after watching clint eastwood and his empty chair routine, it was a riot. I love how he bashed obama and romney at the same time pure genius.

I noticed that too!

RiTides wrote:Clint Eastwood can do no wrong in my book, though . I respect the man for his work as an actor, and much like many liberal-leaning actors whose politics I don't agree with (myself being a more center-politics person, and leaning towards the increasing popularity of social-liberalism and fiscal-conservatism) I ignore his politics for the sake of the fact that he is Clint. Fething. Eastwood.

I love Clint Eastwood. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is one of my favorite films of all time, since I was a kid. I love a lot of his directorial work as well. Letters from Iwo Jima, Million Dollar Baby, and Gran Torino are all really great, even before touching the singular genius of Unforgiven.

This was really sad of him. Deeply symbolic though. Rather than being able to debate the real person and his real record, he has to resort to arguing with an empty chair representing a person who does not exist except in the imagination.

The Jon Stewart take on it was great. Made me a bit less depressed, thankfully.