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Looks like somebody is trying to revise Dukes history.

http://theclicker.today.com/_news/2012/08/30/13568283-report-confederate-flag-may-be-removed-from-dukes-of-hazzard-general-lee-toys?lite

Political correctness rears its ugly head again

This would come up every time one of the TV movies would be made, and when the terrible movie came out.

While Ill be the first to bash anyone who flies a confederate flag, This us just stupid. ITs part of the show and its incongraphy. It wuld be like making Daisy 350 pounds.

hotsauceman wrote: It wuld be like making Daisy 350 pounds.

 Jihadin wrote:
Political correctness rears its ugly head again

99.9% of people with Confederate Flags are racist nutjobs. The other 0.01% are usually just people who don't know what the flag symbolizes.

That bein' said and all, it's an important part of the show, so I'm conflicted about this.

It was a battle standard. It got the negative press when the hate groups took it up.

Why should the Confederate flag be acceptable and the Nazi one not? They're both equally hateful symbols even if you claim them to be "battle standards".

Malcolm X flag be right up there to.

 Jihadin wrote:
Malcolm X flag be right up there to.

You're as ignorant of Malcom X as Az is of the Taliban.

Just because someone flies the Confederate Flag doesn't make them racist. Plenty of people use it to remember the war and those that died. Or maybe they're a Civil War reenactor? history buff?

Hence no flags in the military are hanged in the barracks room.

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Not even state flags.

Why can't I fly a Nazi flag to remember those who died for the Reich?

Thats your personnel preference if you want to fly the Nazi flag.

 LoneLictor wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Political correctness rears its ugly head again

99.9% of people with Confederate Flags are racist nutjobs. The other 0.01% are usually just people who don't know what the flag symbolizes.

That bein' said and all, it's an important part of the show, so I'm conflicted about this.

Actually, you are ignoring the small number of people who show it as a symbol of heritage. I was a reenactor for over 8 years, and I still fight against people who are ignorant of the meaning of the flag and abuse its history for their own ignorant means.

I'd say its about 4% are history buffs/reenactors, 46% are misuse it for racist means, and 46% display their ignorance of its history. The last two categories are interchangeable, of course...

 Grey Templar wrote:
Just because someone flies the Confederate Flag doesn't make them racist. Plenty of people use it to remember the war and those that died. Or maybe they're a Civil War reenactor? history buff?

That being said the flag SHOULD be on the car.

Who was the politician that was a Waffen SS reenactor? The one mention as a possible racist.

Grey Templar wrote:Just because someone flies the Confederate Flag doesn't make them racist. Plenty of people use it to remember the war and those that died. Or maybe they're a Civil War reenactor? history buff?

That works just as well as this...

Grey Templar wrote:Just because someone flies the Nazi Flag doesn't make them racist. Plenty of people use it to remember the war and those that died. Or maybe they're a WWII reenactor? history buff?

I fail to see humor.

Saying someone is Racist just because they fly the Confederate flag is a gross generalization. its like saying the German people were evil jew killers, the vast majority had no idea what was going on in their country till the Allies forced them to parade through liberated Concentration Camps.


Edit: The Confederate Flag was not a symbol of hate. It was a symbol of freedom. The Nazi party had no redeeming qualities. The 2 are not on the same level.

Saying someone is Racist just because they fly the Confederate flag is a gross generalization. its like saying the German people were evil jew killers, the vast majority had no idea what was going on in their country till the Allies forced them to parade through liberated Concentration Camps.

Some people won't see it that way. Like everyone that was in the Waffen SS were Nazi's.

Stupid is and stupid does.


I was playing Flames of War one day at the hobby shop. Some lady that was just walking through the store came back and saw us playing. Got really upset and pissy over the Swastikas and German flags painted on the German tanks.

Knee jerk reactions are so dumb.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I fail to see humor.

Saying someone is Racist just because they fly the Confederate flag is a gross generalization. its like saying the German people were evil jew killers, the vast majority had no idea what was going on in their country till the Allies forced them to parade through liberated Concentration Camps.

Very few people in modern day America fail to understand what this flag stands for in the present day or are in the dark about what certain groups do in it's name.

I have never met anypne who flies it who does so simply because he is a civil war larper or because he was unaware of it's racial/hate connotation. In fact I have met few who fly it who don't drop the N-bomb freely or wouldnt offe to help the Germans finish their work...

 LoneLictor wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Political correctness rears its ugly head again

99.9% of people with Confederate Flags are racist nutjobs. The other 0.01% are usually just people who don't know what the flag symbolizes.

That bein' said and all, it's an important part of the show, so I'm conflicted about this.

The flag represents a lot of things to a lot of people. To many southerners I know, it represents personal rights and freedom and doesn't have a thing to do with racism. Consider this, there are a lot of Klan rallies where the U.S. Flag is displayed prominantly. Does this mean it represents racism? Couple this with the fact that the stars and stripes flew over slave holders far longer than the stars and bars and that the civil war really wasn't about freeing the slaves as much as it was about holding the union together.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Stupid is and stupid does.


I was playing Flames of War one day at the hobby shop. Some lady that was just walking through the store came back and saw us playing. Got really upset and pissy over the Swastikas and German flags painted on the German tanks.

Knee jerk reactions are so dumb.

markings on FOW tanks ARE situationally/contextually appropriate. FOW is a reinactment of WWII. Putting A natzi flag or a confedorate flag on the back of your pickup truck is not even close to being the same...

MY Sociology Proffesor Said this "Just because they are ignorant of what it means, doesnt excuse them, They should know whatthe flag they are flying means"

The confederate flag originated in the rebellion of civil war. A war which was fought for one main, and evil cause. Let me quote some of the justifications for it from its proponents and champions:

Jefferson Davis, President of the CSA wrote:"The condition of slavery with us is ... nothing but the form of civil government instituted for a class of people not fit to govern themselves. It is exactly what in every State exists in some form or other. It is just that kind of control which is extended in every northern State over its convicts, its lunatics, its minors, its apprentices. It is but a form of civil government for those who by their nature are not fit to govern themselves. We recognize the fact of the inferiority stamped upon that race of men by the Creator, and from the cradle to the grave, our Government, as a civil institution, marks that inferiority."

State of Texas' formal declaration of cause wrote:We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

CSA Vice President Alexander Stephens wrote:(Jefferson's) ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error.... Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery– subordination to the superior race– is his natural and normal condition.

Good article:
http://www.thehypertexts.com/What%20caused%20the%20Civil%20War%20Slavery.htm

Honestly the Confederate Battle Flag is a more evil symbol, I would say, than the Swastika. The Swastika pre-dates the Nazis and was just used by them. The Confederate Battle Flag originated as the standard under which the cause of slavery was championed. The flag which flew as rebel Americans shot other Americans over the right to own human beings. It has historical importance, but as a symbol of an evil cause, in which many evil, and many other deeply misguided, people fought.

Grey Templar wrote:I fail to see humor.

Saying someone is Racist just because they fly the Confederate flag is a gross generalization. its like saying the German people were evil jew killers, the vast majority had no idea what was going on in their country till the Allies forced them to parade through liberated Concentration Camps.


Edit: The Confederate Flag was not a symbol of hate. It was a symbol of freedom. The Nazi party had no redeeming qualities. The 2 are not on the same level.

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Well, it sure as hell isn't a symbol of black freedom.

Jihadin wrote:

Saying someone is Racist just because they fly the Confederate flag is a gross generalization. its like saying the German people were evil jew killers, the vast majority had no idea what was going on in their country till the Allies forced them to parade through liberated Concentration Camps.

Some people won't see it that way. Like everyone that was in the Waffen SS were Nazi's.

And the poor Buddhists can't have their swastikas courtesy of the Nazis.

The buddist swastika is reverse and pretty much seen in asian country. Also the native american swastika is no longer shown due to its connection of the Nazi swastika. Someone posted that earlier back...like two weeks ago.

There was a Pokemon card with a Buddhist swastika that was edited for its US release.

No it wasn't edited. Thats the correct version of the asian swastika. Wait. Its red. They're suppose to be green