Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

just wondering peoples opinions on a sit-back techmarine with conversion beamer or strike relay? (sorry if this is wrong area) but I was thinking of stuff like this:

Beamer

Pros:
- less scatter distance
- relentless may allow you to move and fire
- cheaper

Cons:
- only small blast
- cannot charge afterwards
- closer target is weaker gun gets


Relay

Pros:
- can fire large blast
- can assault afterwards
- unlimited range
- different ammo types (like the psyk-out bomb, or the lance strike)

Cons:
- costs more
- always scatters full 2d6
- cannot move, even with relentless
- IMHO makes tech marine more of a threat, so more of a target


thoughts?

I'd take the conversion beamer every time. Orbital strike is too expensive and too inaccurate. Unless you REALLY like taking a gamble, avoid Orbital strike.
Edit: Orbital strike has a chance to do well against hordes or an army that is castling up very tightly. If you knew your opponent was going to do that, it could be worth taking, even if it is still a gamble.

Benifit for both is that you can take divination psychic power for 25pts (I think) and take a psychic test to reroll your scatter dice for either, and if your really lucky, maybe you'll roll ignore cover saves, and keep that one instead.

With those benifits in mind, I would probably take the OSR, because it gets a slight increase to it's accuracy, or that oppertunity to ignore cover saves like it should have from the onset.(stupid GW naming an attack a barrage without having the barrage rule)

Coyote81 wrote:
Benifit for both is that you can take divination psychic power for 25pts (I think) and take a psychic test to reroll your scatter dice for either, and if your really lucky, maybe you'll roll ignore cover saves, and keep that one instead.

Grey Knight Techmarines don't have access to any psychic powers other than Hammerhand.

I like using him to make my acolyte shooter squads get ATSKNF.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:


Grey Knight Techmarines don't have access to any psychic powers other than Hammerhand.

Doesn't the GK Techmarine's Psykey Master Level of 1 allow him to choose a single power?

Coyote81 wrote:
Benifit for both is that you can take divination psychic power for 25pts (I think) and take a psychic test to reroll your scatter dice for either, and if your really lucky, maybe you'll roll ignore cover saves, and keep that one instead.

Just a note, you can re-roll scatter for twin-linked weapons, but Prescience doesn't make them twin-linked.

 ClosetRoller wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:


Grey Knight Techmarines don't have access to any psychic powers other than Hammerhand.

Doesn't the GK Techmarine's Psykey Master Level of 1 allow him to choose a single power?

No, read the FAQs.

yeah, the techmarine is mastery level 1, but the FAQ does not give him permission to swap out powers (like inquisitors and libbies) and no one may switch out anything from hammerhand

My latest issues with GK have mostly been relating to AV14. I might try this guy out, I was pondering a vindicare otherwise.

 BewareOfTom wrote:
yeah, the techmarine is mastery level 1, but the FAQ does not give him permission to swap out powers (like inquisitors and libbies) and no one may switch out anything from hammerhand

Wrong, only the Libby is forced to keep Hammerhand.

well its sorta wrong, I mean the inquisitor can always take communion to swap out instead of hammerhand

Whoops, when I think of OSR I think of inquistors with psychic powers. Don't have my rule book with me. But is an ability allows you to reroll missed hits, doens't that include not rolling a hit on a scatter die? I think it would.

The OSR scatters even if you roll a hit.

but he means can you reroll with the primarus power from divination

 BewareOfTom wrote:
but he means can you reroll with the primarus power from divination

And risk larger scatter! I'd say you could twin-link this, but there are probably better options to spend your limited powers on.

well, if you roll 11 or 12 you cant get a much bigger scatter

1) Check the FAQ for who is allowed to swap out the psykic power.

Not every model with a mastery level can take powers from divination. Otherwise, the 10 pt. psyker henchmen would be in every squad giving them re-roll to hit.

Only GK Librarian, Inquisitors (any type) and Coteaz can swap out their powers for Divination.


2) If you want a conversion beamer with re-roll to hit, it is cheaper to take it on a Xeno Inquisitor. Also, you get 3 wounds instead of 1 and you will usually be using a cover save so the loss of armor is not as big of a deal.



3) The OSR is not really worth it. It is too inaccurate and expensive. the only way to attempt to make it work would be to cover the board in servo skulls and hope for the best.



4) The GK Techmarine is one of the best Close-Combat buffing characters around. Hammerhand + Rad Grenades + Psychotroke grenades + 2+ armor + AP2 attacks is great in close combat. He is a little squishy with 1 wound, but the armor protects him from a lot of close combat weapons.

 BewareOfTom wrote:
well, if you roll 11 or 12 you cant get a much bigger scatter

Sure, but you can certainly scatter terribly again vOv. You have a limited about of psychic powers. Using such a valuable resource on a weapon that's suspect to begin with isn't a great use of your tools available.

3) The OSR is not really worth it. It is too inaccurate and expensive. the only way to attempt to make it work would be to cover the board in servo skulls and hope for the best.

Skulls dont work with orbitals.

i am wandering...
GK techmarines hasn't relentless... why you say that they are?

Rurik wrote:i am wandering...
GK techmarines hasn't relentless... why you say that they are?

He is saying that "not being able to move, even if relentless" is generic downside for OSR. This, because there are relentless GK models who can take OSR.