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 beerbeard wrote:


I also think the competition is generally pretty meh. Especially warmachine, those models are just... to me at least... stupid looking. I could never get in to painting them. I haven't played, but I have watched people. It looks dull. However much you may not like all the 40k rules, it is rarely dull.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Regardless of ascetics, I don't see how warmachine/hordes can be dull why 40k wouldn't be,
40k at least from what I have seen as of the last while seems to be mostly 2 armys shooting/ running at each other.
The only tactics or thaght taken in anything but the highest teir games is what shoots at what and rolling buckets of dice.
A lot of the things in 6th that seem to be used for cinimatecs I think make it dull, I still have yet to see a challenge in 40k that I thaght was cool.
Why I can think of my last game of WM ending with the winner suffering allmost complete devastation and forcing a 1v1 that if lost would have poor dinarga rip in half by a warp wolf(turning the game to a win)

Maybe to late to post in such a deep thread but I did wanted to say that from where I sit as a huge fan of 40k and fantasy, it's lost something.
The games often take 5 times longer than there competitors and have little more game.

Apple fox wrote:

Regardless of ascetics, I don't see how warmachine/hordes can be dull why 40k wouldn't be,
40k at least from what I have seen as of the last while seems to be mostly 2 armys shooting/ running at each other.
The only tactics or thaght taken in anything but the highest teir games is what shoots at what and rolling buckets of dice.
A lot of the things in 6th that seem to be used for cinimatecs I think make it dull, I still have yet to see a challenge in 40k that I thaght was cool.
Why I can think of my last game of WM ending with the winner suffering allmost complete devastation and forcing a 1v1 that if lost would have poor dinarga rip in half by a warp wolf(turning the game to a win)

Maybe to late to post in such a deep thread but I did wanted to say that from where I sit as a huge fan of 40k and fantasy, it's lost something.
The games often take 5 times longer than there competitors and have little more game.

If your games in 40k are dull, then you are likely unhappy with the aesthetic, not the game. The game keeps the ball rolling pretty well, and keeps players involved. Only huge apocalypse games, where one side takes an hour per turn, could be considered boring.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:


If your games in 40k are dull, then you are likely unhappy with the aesthetic, not the game. The game keeps the ball rolling pretty well, and keeps players involved. Only huge apocalypse games, where one side takes an hour per turn, could be considered boring.

I take it you haven't played many games of 6th edition. All of my 6th edition games have been very boring affairs.

I think there are a lot of people here who need ro sell off their minis and get a new hobby. In the course of learning this new version, we've had a lot of fun and funny moments due to the new rules.

Sit back, relax, take a few breaths, and remember this is a game.

I'm gonna start first edition!

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I think there are a lot of people here who need ro sell off their minis and get a new hobby

This idea leaves a terrible taste in the mouth.

Sit back, relax, take a few breaths, and remember this is a game.

A game that is no longer fun.

 Fafnir wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I think there are a lot of people here who need ro sell off their minis and get a new hobby

This idea leaves a terrible taste in the mouth.

Sit back, relax, take a few breaths, and remember this is a game.

A game that is no longer fun.

So you cruise forums dedicated to said game, e-thugging people who find the game fun. That's logical. If you don't find it fun, get a new ruleset to use your minis with, or sell those minis on ebay. You just sound like you are trolling.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

So you cruise forums dedicated to said game, e-thugging people who find the game fun.

I 'cruise' Dakka because I still enjoy playing and painting with miniatures, I still play games that Dakka does have forums for (Infinity represent!), and despite the fact that I dislike the game that 40k has become, I do still have an invested interest in the world and game of 40k, even if I am disillusioned with the current edition. Furthermore, forums are a place for discussion and opinions, even varying ones. Just because I disagree with your views, does not mean I'm 'e-thugging' people.

That's logical. If you don't find it fun, get a new ruleset to use your minis with, or sell those minis on ebay. You just sound like you are trolling.

I'd hardly consider being disappointed in GW to be trolling.

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

So you cruise forums dedicated to said game, e-thugging people who find the game fun.

Perhaps that IS fun?

 daedalus wrote:

 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:

So you cruise forums dedicated to said game, e-thugging people who find the game fun.

Perhaps that IS fun?

At least more fun than 6th edition.

I haven't even looked at the new rules yet. I made a commitment to not even bother, and I'm going to stick with it.

Complaining about how awful 6th edition is doesn't help GW correct anything, either. Since 6e will be around for a while, some of you may have to either find a new game or just learn to find the fun that can be found.

Sorry that many of you can't let go and enjoy a game without it turning into an argument. Can't wait to see some of you in the real world one day and see if the Internet bravado translates well in the real world.

I don't get all the complaints. 6th is awsome.

 Fafnir wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I think there are a lot of people here who need ro sell off their minis and get a new hobby

This idea leaves a terrible taste in the mouth.

Sit back, relax, take a few breaths, and remember this is a game.

A game that is no longer fun.

So, sell your minis and get a new hobby.

I mean really, that's all it comes down to. If you don't like the rules, sell (or shelf) your models and do something else with your time. I think Soccer is a stupid game, so I don't spend my time watching soccer, playing soccer, or commenting on online soccer forums. The same should apply to you and 40K.

 Kaldor wrote:
I think Soccer is a stupid game, so I don't spend my time watching soccer, playing soccer, or commenting on online soccer forums. The same should apply to you and 40K.

Well, not quite. It's more like you really liked soccer, spent a lot of time playing soccer, and then the game changed into a different game that you no longer like.

Granted, this change was slower, and done over time, but 6th edition was the final straw.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:
I think Soccer is a stupid game, so I don't spend my time watching soccer, playing soccer, or commenting on online soccer forums. The same should apply to you and 40K.

Well, not quite. It's more like you really liked soccer, spent a lot of time playing soccer, and then the game changed into a different game that you no longer like.

Granted, this change was slower, and done over time, but 6th edition was the final straw.

Yeah, but the end result is the same. I no longer enjoy a thing, so I do something else that I do enjoy.

I personally have had a blast playing 6th edition but admittedly there has been a few moments of frustration as with any hobby. I also believe that the lack of 6th edition army codex's with updated rules, units, equipment and ect. has only added to the frustration of many players.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't get all the complaints. 6th is awsome.

See, I'm with this guy here. I have only a few complaints about 6e. For the most part, I absolutely love it.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Complaining about how awful 6th edition is doesn't help GW correct anything, either.

Why would you assume GW has any plans to "correct" 6th, or would want any help even if they did? GW deliberately created a new game and disrespected a non-trivial percentage of its existing customer base with its wack new rules, army nerfs and take-it-or-leave-it attitude. They knew exactly what they were doing, and there is no reason to think they will change anything until the next re-boot, when they repeat the foregoing process.

SoloFalcon wrote: Since 6e will be around for a while, some of you may have to either find a new game or just learn to find the fun that can be found.

Well gee, thanks for those two fabulous alternatives, but I think I'll look for like-minded players who prefer earlier editions and/or house rules, and continue to think ill of GW for driving me out of the larger world of 40K pick-up games and tournaments. Although Malifaux is looking better and better with every passing GW FAQ. Btw: that snide remark is a good example of what's wrong with the GW fanboy mind-set, with its smug self-satisfaction and sense of superiority.

SoloFalcon wrote:Sorry that many of you can't let go and enjoy a game without it turning into an argument. Can't wait to see some of you in the real world one day and see if the Internet bravado translates well in the real world.

Maybe that's because some of us prefer to play the game we invested in instead of having a new game forced on us and having our ability to play the game we invested in substantially reduced if not eliminated. Sorry that many of you can't see that you've been turned into GW minions who ask "How high?" when GW says "Jump!", and then blabber about how much fun it was to do all that jumping. As for that "real world" blast, I wouldn't go there if I were you, because a lot of us are probably a lot more accomplished in RL than you are.

LordOfTheSloths wrote:
Sorry that many of you can't see that you've been turned into GW minions who ask "How high?" when GW says "Jump!", and then blabber about how much fun it was to do all that jumping.

Woah, I wouldn't go so far. It may be that some of them genuinely do find 6th edition to be an enjoyable experience. I absolutely do not, and I could write volumes as to why, but that's certainly no reason to automatically consider someone who thinks otherwise is a blind 'minion' of GW.

@LordoftheSloths:
You call us fanboys... that isn't quite accurate. I do find 40k fun. However, it gets old hearing the same pessimists moan about how the game changed, and how THEY do not like it anymore (because everybody knows that their opinions are the only ones that matter). It's like whining about summer turning to autumn... some people like to whine about things they have no control over, no matter what anybody else thinks on the subject. What about the people who like fall? Are their opinions on the season invalid simply because you like summer better?

I used to play a lot of World of Warcraft. I started to lose interest with the game, and didn't like the changes that Blizzard was making to the game. Despite all that, you don't see me cruising on over to the Blizzard forums to talk about how dull the game is. Despite spending hundreds of dollars on expansions, monthly subscriptions, and additional services, I quit playing when I no longer had fun with the game. I switched gears and got back into another hobby I enjoy, and started posting on forums about that again.

If you are into the painting/modeling side of it, and don't find the game fun anymore, than maybe you should stick to those forums? Why you would come into a general discussion board, just to propagate your negative opinions on a game we clearly enjoy, can only be construed as trolling. By trolling, I mean attempting to argue/start an argument by forcing your statement upon others (such as repeating how much you dislike 6th edition multiple times in a thread).

It's ironic how people who like 6th edition become "fanboys". You accuse us of being polarizing with a "take it or leave it" attitude, but then you throw in little quips about how good Malifaux looks. By all means, go play Malifaux then and leave us to our 40k. We are not trying to judge you, even if the opposite is true. Drawing attention to yourself that way, as if we care that you would rather play Malifaux, is just further evidence of your craving for attention.

We get it that you don't like 6th, but you have to learn to either accept the things you cannot change, or move on. Don't piss on our parade, man.

 Fafnir wrote:

I take it you haven't played many games of 6th edition. All of my 6th edition games have been very boring affairs.

All my games of baseball have been very boring affairs, which is why I decided baseball is not the game for me. I did not decide baseball is not a fun game, because it would be silly of me to go around telling people they are not having fun, as if I am a better judge of their merriment than they themselves. Every game of 6th edition I have played has been a very fun affair, which is why I continue to play it.

6th edition clearly is not what you want it to be. That is sad, and I am sorry you have paid so much into it. But people continue to have fun, however displeased you find yourself.

 Hollowman wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

I take it you haven't played many games of 6th edition. All of my 6th edition games have been very boring affairs.

All my games of baseball have been very boring affairs, which is why I decided baseball is not the game for me. I did not decide baseball is not a fun game, because it would be silly of me to go around telling people they are not having fun, as if I am a better judge of their merriment than they themselves. Every game of 6th edition I have played has been a very fun affair, which is why I continue to play it.

6th edition clearly is not what you want it to be. That is sad, and I am sorry you have paid so much into it. But people continue to have fun, however displeased you find yourself.

If you think that's the intent of people posting, then you clearly do not understand. They're posting about their own diminished enjoyment, not saying yours has. Telling someone to give up a hobby isn't helpful discussion. It's dismissive of argument just because you disagree. Can 6th be fun for people? Sure. Is it for me? Not really. Am I staying with it? My last two recent purchases have been large warmachine/hordes purchases. Is it easy for me to get other games? Aha! Here's the rub. There is pretty much nothing near me. The closest games store is GW and that's 15-20 miles are so away from me. Often a 20+ minute drive depending on traffic and I happen to live right along one of the worst highways in Cali for traffic. Next one I like is almost an hour drive. So geographically speaking, me getting other games is not very likely and if I want to play with my friends with any regularity, it's going to be GW.

I hate to play the devils advocate here but if you have no fun with 40k why would you keep playing? Maybe it is time to try out one of the many TT games out there that might suit you better
and that's not being an ass its just wouldn't you rather play something you enjoy? And barring that maybe just try a few more games and see if it grows on you more.

I understand this game is a huge money sink and all of that jazz but all in all the game is about having fun so if you are not having any fun maybe its time to try something else.

Moreover... If you don't like 40k anymore, but you have spent untold millions of pennies upon it... You could play 4th edition... or 5th... or even *dramatic pause, then "dun-dun-dunnnnn!"* Rogue Trader...

Or, you could use your army men to play, oh, I don't know, Army Men... I saw this really cool chess set concept by somebody (I think on Dakka) with Epidemius and a demon co-hort, against Ultramarines (could be wrong on the "good-guys")... It was amazingly beautiful...

I've been thinking about using my Orks for a monopoly mock-up... instead of houses, Trukks... instead of hotels, Battlewagons...

Not really... But the 6th ed rules seem rather daunting to my poor Boyz... So, I have switched up, and started playing Dark Eldar... They seem to have faired rather well... It won't be long, and the Boyz will get an updated dex, and then I'll be tearing up the roadways again!!!

You could play 4th edition... or 5th... or even *dramatic pause, then "dun-dun-dunnnnn!"* Rogue Trader...

I dont know how it looks in the states but in Europe the chance to get a non 6th game is close to 0. It is hard enough to get FW in games .

why would you keep playing?

a no other table top game played
b when you put in so much money [the further east the more money it is] , droping out and starting something new stops being an option.
c if in a group of 4-5 guys 2 drop out , then the other 3 drop out too . So people stay so their real friends dont get the b point expiriance.
d PP hates europe , eastern europe specialy[no new shipments in more then a year . try to start a game or get new players when there are no starter sets , not speaking of cool stuff like colosals etc and only the unusable stuff is left that no one wants to buy .

b when you put in so much money [the further east the more money it is] , droping out and starting something new stops being an option.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/at/sunk_cost_fallacy/

This is what I see everytime I hear "We sunk so much into it that it's no longer an option!"

I've played since 2nd, so I pretty much have been through most major changes. I actually enjoy 6th myself, so yeah.

why would you keep playing?

a no other table top game played
b when you put in so much money [the further east the more money it is] , droping out and starting something new stops being an option.
c if in a group of 4-5 guys 2 drop out , then the other 3 drop out too . So people stay so their real friends dont get the b point expiriance.
d PP hates europe , eastern europe specialy[no new shipments in more then a year . try to start a game or get new players when there are no starter sets , not speaking of cool stuff like colosals etc and only the unusable stuff is left that no one wants to buy .

All valid reasons and I also understand the need for many to vent their frustrations with 6th here on the forums. But I honestly the only thing I can prescribe is to take a breather from 40k for a little while and maybe try some different games or just tough it out and wait for your new army codex to come out to hopefully bring your armies up to 6th standards.

I just hope GW avoids the codex creep and releases more than 2 or 3 a year.

 Fafnir wrote:

LordOfTheSloths wrote:
Sorry that many of you can't see that you've been turned into GW minions who ask "How high?" when GW says "Jump!", and then blabber about how much fun it was to do all that jumping.

Woah, I wouldn't go so far. It may be that some of them genuinely do find 6th edition to be an enjoyable experience. I absolutely do not, and I could write volumes as to why, but that's certainly no reason to automatically consider someone who thinks otherwise is a blind 'minion' of GW.

I was just turning the poster's comment back on him. "Illustrating absurdity by being absurd," as Rush would put it.


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 FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
@LordoftheSloths:
You call us fanboys... that isn't quite accurate. I do find 40k fun. However, it gets old hearing the same pessimists moan about how the game changed,

Then why are YOU reading this thread, the point of which is to discuss why 6th is "more trouble than it's worth." If you don't like "hearing the same old pessimists," I suggest you go to another forum or read another thread. Or start another thread asking, "Anyone else feeling 6th edition is just . . . fabulous!?"

FoxPhoenix wrote: and how THEY do not like it anymore (because everybody knows that their opinions are the only ones that matter).

The next 6th ed critic who posts that his opinion is the only one that matters will be the first one.

FoxPhoenix wrote: It's like whining about summer turning to autumn... some people like to whine about things they have no control over, no matter what anybody else thinks on the subject. What about the people who like fall? Are their opinions on the season invalid simply because you like summer better?

You like fall? Good on you. You like 6th? Fine, enjoy. Nobody is saying you shouldn't. So let's just dispense with the strawmen.

FoxPhoenix wrote:.
I used to play a lot of World of Warcraft. I started to lose interest with the game, and didn't like the changes that Blizzard was making to the game. Despite all that, you don't see me cruising on over to the Blizzard forums to talk about how dull the game is. Despite spending hundreds of dollars on expansions, monthly subscriptions, and additional services, I quit playing when I no longer had fun with the game. I switched gears and got back into another hobby I enjoy, and started posting on forums about that again.

So fine, you just gave up and moved on. Don't expect everyone else who's invested in this product to do so. Whether you like it or not, we are part of this community, and I for one will speak my mind whenever I please.

FoxPhoenix wrote:If you are into the painting/modeling side of it, and don't find the game fun anymore, than maybe you should stick to those forums? Why you would come into a general discussion board, just to propagate your negative opinions on a game we clearly enjoy, can only be construed as trolling. By trolling, I mean attempting to argue/start an argument by forcing your statement upon others (such as repeating how much you dislike 6th edition multiple times in a thread).

When I need your permission or approval to post in this or any other forum, I'll ask for it.

FoxPhoenix wrote:It's ironic how people who like 6th edition become "fanboys". You accuse us of being polarizing with a "take it or leave it" attitude, but then you throw in little quips about how good Malifaux looks. By all means, go play Malifaux then and leave us to our 40k. We are not trying to judge you, even if the opposite is true. Drawing attention to yourself that way, as if we care that you would rather play Malifaux, is just further evidence of your craving for attention.

And now we get the amateur psychoanalysis to go along with the smugness and sense of superiority. Please.

FoxPhoenix wrote:We get it that you don't like 6th, but you have to learn to either accept the things you cannot change, or move on. Don't piss on our parade, man.

I "have to"? Excuse me if I don't answer to your authority. How about if you learn to either accept that not everyone shares your love of 6th, or stop reading critical posts? It's not just your parade, man.