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That dragon is pretty fn awesome. I don't playchaos, but I'd pick one of those up in a heartbeat.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 pretre wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:
As people have said, the new Fiends look like WarmaHordes models or mecha-Tyranids.

I really don't get this. They fit exactly the Daemon Engine aesthetic. They look like huge, warped Daemon machines. You can see terminator shoulderpads on some of their legs, bits of defiler or dreadnought armor on others and this is all mixed with a huge daemon beast (reminds me of Bloodcrusher aesthetic). How is this not chaos?

It just isn't as angular as the CSM stuff usually is. Look at the old defiler and dread, very square. The new hellbrute is very round though so I felt this was comming. I personally prefer the more crude square look.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember the rogue trader Chaos Marine Dreadnaught being very round and similar to how the forgefiend looks (only on two legs instead of 4) Also, with 6th edition have we not seen a kind of return to the old rogue trader way of things and these models are a solid representation of this?

 avedominusnox wrote:
Guys they fit perfectly and stop moaning. Now I m sure people are not happy with anything.
We get a new possibly better WD, we get a new dex, new models and these are he pics we have online ATM.
Wait for more!

Agreed totally!!

Everyone, this is just what has been put up AT THE MOMENT!!
on a second note if you dont like it, you can (radical idea here) not buy it or you can convert it!!!
this is the first pics out, no one has said this is it!!

STOP MOANING!!

 pretre wrote:
They don't look like children's toys to me. They look like a cross between Oblits and Bloodcrushers.

Zoids is just going to be the new Chibihawk, something for people to parrot for a couple of months because that's what is cool.

Really? Because they definitely are rip offs from several battle robots that are zoids. I know, I am a huge tranformers guy, always have been. I just don't mix my bots with my fething chaos.

 pretre wrote:
Zoids is just going to be the new Chibihawk, something for people to parrot for a couple of months because that's what is cool.

Hey, I said it before it was cool

Depending on the size of the Fiends you mght be able to proxy something else.

My Brass Scorpion is only about half as long again as a Defiler, and those Fiends seem to be on BIG bases....dare i dream of my Scorpion seeing use outside of Apoc? Even in a proxy role?

The bonus about Chaos has always been converting. If you dont like the kit - fix it!

I agree with the sentiments of liking the angular block style aesthetics rather than round and chunky. It feels less like Chaos, I also like a "less is more" approach because I like to flesh out those ideas on my own.

The warp talons, though nice are weirdly posed and visually busy. And where the raptors had jump packs that were unique and looked suited to chaos and not being overly-embellished, while the new jump packs are in actuality mk5 packs with spikes. Big letdown as I planned on adding FA to my Iron Warriors some day.

It is far too "bestial" I guess, and doesn't scream brutal intelligence, just basic savagery. There are a lot of flavors of Chaos, I just felt this is shoehorning an aesthetic for the
"sake of" rather than any predetermined notion.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Very few people are actually complaining about the Warp Talons (which look sickening) and the Warpsmith which also looks pretty cool. Note that most of the negative comments are towards the anteater engine (forge/warpfiend) and the dragon.

I think a head swap will do wonders for the anteater.

When I first read about the dragon and Fiends, I wasn't sure. Then I saw Hellbrute and thought: "hey! maybe dragon and fiends will go this cool way!!". Today I see this pictures and my wallet is slowly coming back to my pocket.

as people say, it is a strange mix about Warmahordes, godzilla, Power Rangers... I like none of them.

I expected something more in line with Doom 3 Pinky for the fiends (at least the CC one). I don't see the Hellbrute mechanic/organical mixture. Too much mechanical, not so much warped.

That shooty monster is very static, and head weapon is almost the same as arms. Lack of imagination there.

Where is Trish Carden when you need her to model some good monsters?? (assuming these are not designs of hers).

Also, not spiky marines, but very very very spiky. They just ripped off the marines part.

Warpsmith is fine apart from steampunk-ish chimneys. Warptalons are fine too (apart from winglets) and are in line with DV chosen.


As someone said, my money will go to a converted/warped stormtalon in the future (now I have 2 awesome full DV to paint, with their awesome hellbrute).

This is the problem of their secrecy policy. Sometimes, you're excited about rumours, letting your imagination fly, and then reality hits in your face.

I said it first! Hey look at me, I'm a F'n trendsetter
Let see we got zoid-blower
wing
zilla
circus
Did I miss any?

 Chaos Emperor wrote:

 avedominusnox wrote:
Guys they fit perfectly and stop moaning. Now I m sure people are not happy with anything.
We get a new possibly better WD, we get a new dex, new models and these are he pics we have online ATM.
Wait for more!

Agreed totally!!

Everyone, this is just what has been put up AT THE MOMENT!!
on a second note if you dont like it, you can (radical idea here) not buy it or you can convert it!!!
this is the first pics out, no one has said this is it!!

STOP MOANING!!

We are allowed to not like it and to voice our opinion to that effect.

"Yeah haha I got a big stormraven to field, scared?"
"Haha well I have 3 big bommas, better run!"

"Yeah, well umm...yeah i'm just gunna leave this big ass dragon here, say goodbye to your flyers"

I actually quite like the Chaos Dragon thingy. Not sure about the triple claws though.

Still, this is Dakka. Every time a flier comes out, everybody must complain about it and come up with an unfunny name for it.

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
It just isn't as angular as the CSM stuff usually is. Look at the old defiler and dread, very square. The new hellbrute is very round though so I felt this was comming. I personally prefer the more crude square look.

Haven't people been complaining that CSM were just spikey marines since the 4th codex came out? Careful what you wish for, I guess.

I really dont get why everyone hates the blocky dreadnoughts nowadays. Dreadnought is one of the most iconic vehicles of the 40k universe. Robo-nids are not.

I think I'll stick with Defilers, those at least look like real daemon engines

Curse you GW! Just when I'd thought I'd got out they pull me back in. XD

I'd like to point out that these are children's toys.....

On a more serious note they don't look any more like childrens toys than most vehicles in 40k do. I'll hold off final judgement and end of the world comments until I see the sprues and options.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really? Because they definitely are rip offs from several battle robots that are zoids. I know, I am a huge tranformers guy, always have been. I just don't mix my bots with my fething chaos.

Yeah, because no one ever made battle robots before zoids. I'm gonna clue you into something. Practically everything can be said to look like something else or be said to be derivative of something else. It is increasingly difficult to create anything (even external to 40k) that does not look like something that was already created previously.

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
It just isn't as angular as the CSM stuff usually is. Look at the old defiler and dread, very square. The new hellbrute is very round though so I felt this was comming. I personally prefer the more crude square look.

Haven't people been complaining that CSM were just spikey marines since the 4th codex came out? Careful what you wish for, I guess.

I personally liked the spikey marines, hate the aesthetics of the new chaos stuff though. I didn't even buy the Dark Vengeance box set.

Starship Troopers, Elric, Dune, Alien, Terminator... Now they can add Power Rangers, Zoids, and Getter Robo's Dinosaur Empire to the mix, just grimdarked. Or is it grimdorked?

I haven't been that disappointed in my life. Even the frigging Raptors are cartoonish and look nothing like the Chosen, a direction I so hope they'd pursue. There's not enough genuine design, and way too much random bits glued together. Is there an actual designer left at GW? To add insult to injury, that isn't even a piece of artwork on the cover, just a shot of a model! How cheap is that...? :/ This put me off a Chaos army big time.

 Deathshead420 wrote:
I said it first! Hey look at me, I'm a F'n trendsetter
Let see we got zoid-blower
wing
zilla
circus
Did I miss any?

Please don't lol

Nope I now love the fiends and actually the forgfiend as well, just imagined it in khorne colours and realised its the size of a tervigon....yeah

 -DE- wrote:
To add insult to injury, that isn't even a piece of artwork on the cover, just a shot of a model! How cheap is that...? :/

Apparently about as cheap as your glasses...

That's a piece of artwork of the new model.

They haven't shown the cover, just the model spreads.

The Forgefiends are awesome, as are the new Raptors.

 pretre wrote:

 -DE- wrote:
To add insult to injury, that isn't even a piece of artwork on the cover, just a shot of a model! How cheap is that...? :/

Apparently about as cheap as your glasses...

That's a piece of artwork of the new model.

Thats the model you can see the base.

 ergotoxin wrote:
I think I'll stick with Defilers, those at least look like real daemon engines

No they don't, Defilers looked terrible from day 1 and still do. Which part is the Daemon? The only sort of fleshy thing I can spot is one small hatch with an evil face on it. Apart from that it's a boxy centaur on orky piston-driven legs with a chest-mounted cannon (ow, recoil!) and a blender for an arm. By the time the model came out (quite a bit after the Codex) there were dozens of scratch-builds that looked better.

Maybe they are just looking to add variety.

Dreads and defilers are construction that have a demon/insane marine BOUND in them, against their will.

These new ones look more like a full blending of daemon and machine.

so the new models woudl look more rounded and organic, because they are supposed to.

 Squigsquasher wrote:
They haven't shown the cover, just the model spreads.

The Forgefiends are awesome, as are the new Raptors.

And it still doesn't look like the model, but I'll wait for a closer look.

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really? Because they definitely are rip offs from several battle robots that are zoids. I know, I am a huge tranformers guy, always have been. I just don't mix my bots with my fething chaos.

Yeah, because no one ever made battle robots before zoids. I'm gonna clue you into something. Practically everything can be said to look like something else or be said to be derivative of something else. It is increasingly difficult to create anything (even external to 40k) that does not look like something that was already created previously.

Clue me in? I am an artist and sculptor and it is not hard to make new models that have a unique look. The poses can start to wain but this isn't even trying to be unique IMO.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Clue me in? I am an artist and sculptor and it is not hard to make new models that have a unique look. The poses can start to wain but this isn't even trying to be unique IMO.

Show me something that isn't derivative.

The sloth looking one should be called Sid