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 Alpharius wrote:
Getting a bit too heated in here.

Opinions on,.. everything... will vary.

Agree to disagree, and stay polite.

Avoid extremes, insults and using giant font sizes.

Thanks!

Also avoid the temptation to reference "Dakka" as a whole and tarring any particular group with any particular brush.

Last warning.

 BladeWalker wrote:
Kinda looks like this:



Should be more like this:

I'm happy with both

Fimir always reminded me of the Mystics and vice versa.

Squigsquasher wrote:
If someone here had done a kitbash and produced those everybody would be applauding them and telling them how awesome they look.

Of course, because that guy doesn't pretend me to pay for his conversion, nor pretend it to be the official version. I love some conversions I have seen, but I would never pay for them. Also, most conversions are done by hobbyist, not by paid designers, and that makes a big difference on what I like and what not.

I can't complain. Sure the dragon and the steampunk mecha-dinosaur things make me sick to my stomach, but I will at least be able to convert counts-as versions and with the warpsmith, as long as the rules kick ass and if I know GW, they will. I'm well on my way to making a counts-as dark mechanicus army.... yay. I'm saddened that GW chose to go mecha dino-beast, but at least for some people it fits in with their robo-demon-rhinoceros, so I don't hate.

They should have gone robo-insectoid though, with lots of tentacles and creepy looking eyes and multi-limbs. Tentacle porn, pretty much. I have my work cut out for me... but I like it that these things are assault oriented and mechanical in nature. And I probably cud also use the bits from them.

 Red Corsair wrote:
@petre we are discussing sculpture there pal. I have a mecha godzilla on my shelf, comparing anime to a sculpt is stupid.

My point if you reread, was about SCULPTING.... You asked for an example and I gave one in literally 3 seconds.... Not hard, try again.

You obviously don't understand the idea of derivation. Medium is irrelevant. For example, people say 40k is derivative of Aliens, Starship Troopers, etc and the reverse. They are different mediums but they still share a lot of similarities. The same as that sculpture/model and the whole wealth of art in the anime scene. Just as Daemon engines share characteristics with a number of different things, including bloodcrushers, zoids, etc so on.

Stuff looks pretty nice.

Well, I wish I had the life of those who's biggest disappointment was a plastic model from a small british company.

dubovac wrote:

I just wonder why didnt they pursued or continued aesthetics like decimator, brass scorpion or slaughterfiend, those were great unique and did look like chaos (my opinion).

Excuse me, what? If you painted the Forgefiend red it would fit in with the Scorpion and Slaughterer perfectly.

Am I the only one looking at that Warpsmith and thinking 'well, that's a really lazy Techmarine resculpt?'

Because that's what I'm seeing there guys.

The Daemon Engines also look....meh.

Ah well, I'll just wait for confirmation of the actual rules.

When I first heard about the dragon, I thought it was going to look odd in 40k. Now that I see it, I want Kharn on the back of that thing throwing up the horns with an axe-guitar and heavy metal music playing with lightning in the background.

I am honestly glad with the direction for Chaos to deviate from the Imperials. All I need is Cultists and Chosen and I will be one happy player to come back to Chaos with my Lost and the Damned. I also think after awhile, a number of people will come around especially if it comes with rules that utterly decimate.

TBH, the Warpsmith to me looks like the only one that seemed to borrow too heavily from the original source of Techmarines.

 Meade wrote:
I can't complain. Sure the dragon and the steampunk mecha-dinosaur things make me sick to my stomach, but I will at least be able to convert counts-as versions and with the warpsmith, as long as the rules kick ass and if I know GW, they will. I'm well on my way to making a counts-as dark mechanicus army.... yay. I'm saddened that GW chose to go mecha dino-beast, but at least for some people it fits in with their robo-demon-rhinoceros, so I don't hate.

They should have gone robo-insectoid though, with lots of tentacles and creepy looking eyes and multi-limbs. Tentacle porn, pretty much. I have my work cut out for me... but I like it that these things are assault oriented and mechanical in nature. And I probably cud also use the bits from them.

I agree with the robo-insect part, maybe they thought it was more played out cliche and went with this instead.

It seems the new stuff is very Marmite, love it or hate it, i'm neutral so far, it doesn;t fit my images of the aesthetic , but kit bash and conversions are on the horizon for sure.

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
@petre we are discussing sculpture there pal. I have a mecha godzilla on my shelf, comparing anime to a sculpt is stupid.

My point if you reread, was about SCULPTING.... You asked for an example and I gave one in literally 3 seconds.... Not hard, try again.

You obviously don't understand the idea of derivation. Medium is irrelevant. For example, people say 40k is derivative of Aliens, Starship Troopers, etc and the reverse. They are different mediums but they still share a lot of similarities. The same as that sculpture/model and the whole wealth of art in the anime scene. Just as Daemon engines share characteristics with a number of different things, including bloodcrushers, zoids, etc so on.

Dude, I know what it means. Do you know what moving the fence is? Obviously in a vague enough sense you can claim that everything has probably been thought or created in someones mind somewhere. Heck sculpting is derivative in it's self. What an ridiculous statement to try and wiggle free from being wrong. Show me another other models that are glaringly simlar to the wet nurse? There are a laughable amount of models like those "zoids."

 His Master's Voice wrote:
People are seriously overreacting with those Zoids. The paintjob is doing those models no favors, but the underlying design is pretty good. Observe



I'm not even talking about the second pic, because obviously not everyone will want to make that kind of conversion, but just not slapping a red rim light on the thing makes it looks much better.

Now this is what I'm going to do with the forgefiend!!

I can understand wanting to not be marines with spikes, but they are still marines.

Where do they put these things in the ships?

Are we gonna have drop pods ala jurassic park?

 Red Corsair wrote:
Dude, I know what it means. Do you know what moving the fence is? Obviously in a vague enough sense you can claim that everything has probably been thought or created in someones mind somewhere. Heck sculpting is derivative in it's self. What an ridiculous statement to try and wiggle free from being wrong. Show me another other models that are glaringly simlar to the wet nurse? There are a laughable amount of models like those "zoids."

That has been my point since the beginning. You can claim that any of GW's models are just like X from Y. My whole point in asking you to describe a non derivative model was to illustrate this. The Wet Nurse may not be derivative of a model, but it is derivative. Just as the Forgefiends are derivative. Just as the Warpsmith is derivative. Just as every model GW has ever made is derivative of some other piece of sci-fi or fantasy.

All in all, people just like to come up with snappy things to complain about whenever GW releases something. In a couple months there'll be some new baby-carrier or chibi-hawk or zoid and you'll on move on to that.

 Goldshield wrote:
When I first heard about the dragon, I thought it was going to look odd in 40k. Now that I see it, I want Kharn on the back of that thing throwing up the horns with an axe-guitar and heavy metal music playing with lightning in the background.
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YES! I can see it!

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Dude, I know what it means. Do you know what moving the fence is? Obviously in a vague enough sense you can claim that everything has probably been thought or created in someones mind somewhere. Heck sculpting is derivative in it's self. What an ridiculous statement to try and wiggle free from being wrong. Show me another other models that are glaringly simlar to the wet nurse? There are a laughable amount of models like those "zoids."

That has been my point since the beginning. You can claim that any of GW's models are just like X from Y. My whole point in asking you to describe a non derivative model was to illustrate this. The Wet Nurse may not be derivative of a model, but it is derivative. Just as the Forgefiends are derivative. Just as the Warpsmith is derivative. Just as every model GW has ever made is derivative of some other piece of sci-fi or fantasy.

All in all, people just like to come up with snappy things to complain about whenever GW releases something. In a couple months there'll be some new baby-carrier or chibi-hawk or zoid and you'll on move on to that.

To be fair, the Dread knight does suck both aesthetically and thematically.

Edit:

Every army needs a 3.5 possessed kit.

 Earthbeard wrote:

I agree with the robo-insect part, maybe they thought it was more played out cliche and went with this instead.

It seems the new stuff is very Marmite, love it or hate it, i'm neutral so far, it doesn;t fit my images of the aesthetic , but kit bash and conversions are on the horizon for sure.

Well, the defiler is only half robo-insectoid and the same with a few forgeworld models, (aside from the brass scorpion, which I don't like much... not very creative it's just the shape of a scorp) but other than that there's not much out there in the current GW range. These models really just follow after the juggernaughts.

I may have been a fine art student, but I have always been a horrible miniature painter. Let me tell you, these scare the crap out of me. The Maulerfiend, that Warpsmith, even the talons look waaaaaaaaaaay beyond my ken.

I was worried when I saw how intricate warped and ornate all the chosen looked, and now I can see GW is really going to make us bring our A game with these new models.

Besides that, I've always been avid on the conversion front, so the seriously idiosyncratic style of these new models is a bit of a blessing and a curse, I wonder how well they can be kit bashed with their builds and poses.

@Lucre: Drybrushing is your friend.

Holy crap... beautiful models!

I have to admit, I am a competent painter and modeller, the level of detail scares the kak out of me though, couldn't imagine tackling an army of these!

I think the paint jobs and the presentation/layout of the pictures are letting them down (new White Dwarf = dark backgrounds for model pics?).

However I am also not a fan of the dragon or the other demon engine.

The warpsmith does look like the techmarine but I actually do not mind that too much. Too Chaos'y and all the spikes / mutations would get in his way!

Warp Talons again look ok but let down IMO by the paint job.

Maybe when we get a good look at them we'll be convinced but that dragon looks too "badass" that its kind laughable

This is basically GW moving their styling to be more distinctive and more easily protectable to try and fend off 3rd party manufacturers.

Also these horrible models are probably why they are so tight on secrecy, less time for people to decide not to buy them.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Holy crap... beautiful models!

I have to admit, I am a competent painter and modeller, the level of detail scares the kak out of me though, couldn't imagine tackling an army of these!

This!

The amount of detail coming from GW plastics is getting insane. (i am praying these are all plastic)

I will see how well I can manage to paint my DV Chosen and then decide if I can paint this new style of chaos competently.

 pretre wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Dude, I know what it means. Do you know what moving the fence is? Obviously in a vague enough sense you can claim that everything has probably been thought or created in someones mind somewhere. Heck sculpting is derivative in it's self. What an ridiculous statement to try and wiggle free from being wrong. Show me another other models that are glaringly simlar to the wet nurse? There are a laughable amount of models like those "zoids."

That has been my point since the beginning. You can claim that any of GW's models are just like X from Y. My whole point in asking you to describe a non derivative model was to illustrate this. The Wet Nurse may not be derivative of a model, but it is derivative. Just as the Forgefiends are derivative. Just as the Warpsmith is derivative. Just as every model GW has ever made is derivative of some other piece of sci-fi or fantasy.

All in all, people just like to come up with snappy things to complain about whenever GW releases something. In a couple months there'll be some new baby-carrier or chibi-hawk or zoid and you'll on move on to that.

Actually I was saying that they didn't even try to make it original.... Which they clearly didn't. I know 40k is rip of K. But at least they could stick to there gothic grim dark theme and make the aesthetics fit their pre-existing line and canon. I literally can go to the dollar store and find you a mecha godzilla, not even paint it and I would not have to tell you what the model was intended to be if it was the only model I had on the table.

Your point on art being derivative is also pointless from your stance. Being derivative and original is not mutually exclusive.

Yeah, great models for an Heavy Metal army.

 Meade wrote:
Yeah, great models for an Heavy Metal army.

So... Noise Marines

 Meade wrote:
Yeah, great models for an Heavy Metal army.

Heavy metal slannesh?

Codex: DINOSAURS!

Well actually I only find the forgefiend horrendous The others not fully my taste but I really like them being less SM and the way they are sculped and the detail they have (each and every one of them) in my oppinion is brilliant.

BTW they are great starters for the most insane conversions.

I like it!

Did evererybody noticed that the two fiends models will probably be the same boxed set

Speaking of Overfiend, I am both looking forward to and horrified by the conversions to Slaanesh people are going to lay on the Warpsmith...