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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Giving everyone soul blaze sounds pretty brutal


I think you need to go back and re-read that rule. It's worth less than a storm bolter.


It says if a "unit" suffers an unsaved wound, it starts to be affected by soul blaze, and on a 4+ it takes D3 S4 AP5 hits.
Units are squads. Sounds like it could be deadly against light infantry.

Against heavy infantry...not so much. And if you roll less than a 4 it stops working. Still, if you are lucky enough it could be a massive thorn in your opponents side.


You must play a very different game if you think a 50% chance of inflicting D3 bolter hits on an enemy unit is massive. Maybe you missed the part where you only place one Soul Blaze token on a target unit no matter how many models or units attack it?

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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Nope must not resist, not changing from the fiend with the 2 gatling guns, I mean come on who in the right mind wants to anger a huge ass dinosaur with freaking plate armour carrying 2 huge gatling guns which looks like they can obliterate a primarch into gold dust. Who I tell you who?


I tell the most ugly of the two fiends, the shooty one, is going to be badass in the game.
Sadly it's mauler fiend is far better looking. Judging still from these first pics.
Oh oh and what a nice change, Nurgle DPs have shrouded now... Yyiiiihhaaaaa!

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Is it just me or does the dragon look amazing from a top down view?



It's just you.


Nuh uh, is not

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Giving everyone soul blaze sounds pretty brutal


I think you need to go back and re-read that rule. It's worth less than a storm bolter.


It says if a "unit" suffers an unsaved wound, it starts to be affected by soul blaze, and on a 4+ it takes D3 S4 AP5 hits.
Units are squads. Sounds like it could be deadly against light infantry.

Against heavy infantry...not so much. And if you roll less than a 4 it stops working. Still, if you are lucky enough it could be a massive thorn in your opponents side.


You must play a very different game if you think a 50% chance of inflicting D3 bolter hits on an enemy unit is massive. Maybe you missed the part where you only place one Soul Blaze token on a target unit no matter how many models or units attack it?


I never said it was massive. I just said it could be a thorn in your opponent's side. Like slapping him and quickly running away.
I stand by what I said about light infantry though. They won't get cover, and if you are lucky, it will never go away.

Now the question is, how pricy is it? Price matters.

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BramGaunt wrote:So, I took my time to read those 'scanned' pages from the new dex that are featured in White Dwarf and translated the Psychic powers. Yes, it's actually possible to read those scanned pages. They also have the Profiles and Weapon stats sheets scanned.

So. Here are Pschic Powers and some special rules. (Note that I translate them myself, so names may differ in the actual Codex...)

Armor:
Improvised Armor: 6+ Save
Powerarmor: 3+ Save
Terminator Armor: Same as loyalist
Fleshmetal: 2+ Armor

wargear:

Chaos Bike: SM Bike
Infernal Ammunition: AP3
Mechadrites: +2 A, includes 1 Meltagun and 1 Flamer
Plague Grenades: Mark of Nurgle only - Model carries Offensive and Defensive grenades
Seal of Corruption: 4+ Invulnerable Save
Jetpack

Gifts of Chaos
Aura of Dark Glory: 5+ Invulnerable Save
Gift of Mutation: Ahead of Deployment, roll once on the "Rewards of Chaos" table
Battle-familiar: Model gains 2 additional S4 AP- attacks
Wizard's familiar: Model may reroll failed Psychic tests
Warpblood: Everyime a model with Warpblood suffers an unsaved wound, the unit that caused this wound suffers 1 S3 AP4 hit. (it appears this is not limited to close combat)

Palanquin of Nurgle: Model gains +2 Wounds and +1 Attack and gets the Very bulky special rule
Bloodcrusher of Khorne: Model gains +1 Toughness, +1 Attack and +1 Wound and changes it's unit type to cavallery
Steed of Slaanesh: Model changes it's unit type to cavallery. It runs +3 inces. Gains accurate senses and Outflank special rule and is granted +1 attack
Disk of Tzeentch: Model changes it's unit type to Jetbike and gains +1 Attack

Icons of Chaos
All Icons grant +1 on Combat Resolution
Icon of Revenge: Unit is Fearless
Icon of Flames: Mark of Tzeentch Only: Boltguns, Heavy Boltguns and Bolt Pistols have the Soul Blaze Special Rule
Icon of Rage: Furious Charge, Unit may reroll Charge Distance
Icon of Despair: Mark of Nurgle only: Unit causes Fear
Icon of Ecess: Mark of Slaanesh Only: Unit gains Feel no Pain

Marks of Chaos
Mark of Khorne: Berserker, Counter-attack
Mark of Nurgle: +1 Toughness
Mark of Tzeentch: Invulnerable Saves improved by 1
Mark of Slaanesh: +1 Initiative.

Mark of Nurgle, Mark of Tzeentch, Mark of Slaanesh: If they are given to a psyker, he must chose at least 1 psychic power of the appendant dicipline.

Demonprince Upgrades
Demon of Khorne: Hatred (Demons of Slaanesh), Furious Charge
Demon of Slaanesh: Hatred (Demons of Khorne), Rending, Fleet of Foot, runs +3 inches
Demon of Nurgle: Hatred (Demons of Tzeentch), Slow and Purposefull, Shrouded
Demon of Tzeentch: Hatred (Demons of Nurgle), May Reroll all saves of 1

Psyker: May chose psyonic powers from pyromancy, biomancy or telepathy. If he's a demon of Nurgle, Slaanesh or Tzeentch he must chose at least 1 psycic power from the appendant dicipline.


Vehicle Upgrades:
Destroyer-Blades: Causes D6 S5 AP - hits while performing a Tank shock. If a Unit choses Death or Glory it suffers 2D6 hits instead
Warpflames: All ranged weapons have the Soul Blaze special rule
Whipping Tentacles: Every model suffers -1 attack for each whipping tentacle it has base contact to. (very strange wording here...)
Twin linked Boltgun: Duh.
Siege shield: Vehicle automatically passes dangerous terrain tests
Demon Engine: BS 3. Ignores Crew stunned and Crew shaken on rolls of 2+. When a unit embarks, roll a D6. On a roll of 1 you remove 1 random model as a casulty, and the vehicle regains 1 Hullpoint.
Magma-cutters. If a Maulerfiend with Magmacutters hits with at least one of it's attacks, it generates 1 extra attack. If it hits with all of it's attacks, it generates 2 additional attacks. These attacks have Initiative 1, S8, AP1 and armorbane.
Sonic Blaster: Enemy units within 6" may not perform defensive fire.



Special Rules
Obliterator Weapons: Kyborgs may chose one of the following weapons: Assault Canon, Heavy Flamer,
lasCannon, Multimelta, Twinlinked Flamer, TL Plasmagun or TL meltagun. All obliterators must chose the same weapon. They may not chose the same weapon twice in a row.
Mutilator Weapons: Pick one of the following at the start of any combat phase the mutilator is in close combat: Pair of: Lightning Claws, Chain Fists, Power Swords, Power Mauls. All Mutilators must pick the same weapon, and may not chose the same weapon two combat steps in a row.

Might of the Soulforge: Once per game, at the beginning of a shooting or close combat phase, a model may unleash the might of the Soulforge to reroll all failed to wound/armor penetration rolls. It suffers a glancing hit at a roll of 1 at the end of the phase.

Master of Machines: A Warpsmith may try to repair a friendly vehicle or curse an enemy vehicle.
repair: Needs to be in b2b or within the vehicle. On a roll of 5+ (4+ with mechadrites) he restores a hullpoint or removes one weapon destroyed/immobilized result.
Curse: Shooting attack: 18" range. If it hits, the enemy vehicles weapons have the 'gets hot' special rule.


Psychic powers

Discipline of Tzeentch
Primary Power: Flames of Tzeentch Witchfire, Focus 1
24", S5, AP-, Blast, Inferno (Inferno: Each unsaved wound causes an aditional D3 S3 AP - Hits)

1-2: Gift of Mutation: Blessing: Focus 1:
Friendly Character within 2" suffers a S4 AP-hit and ma roll on the "Rewards of Chaos" table

3-4: Bolt of Corruption: Beam, Focus1
18", S8, AP1, Detonation (If the target is an enemy vehicle and suffers a "Vehicle explodes" result the radius of the blast is 2d6 inches instead of D6 inches)

5-6: Odem of Chaos Witchfire, Focus 2
Template, S1, AP2, Poison (4+), corrosive. (corrosive: Vehicles hit suffer a glancing hit on a roll of 4+)

Discipline of Nurgle
Primary Power: Rot of Nurgle Witchfire, Focus 1
6", Assault D6+1, Poison (4+), S2 AP 5. No effect on models of Nurgle (yes, model of Nurgle is the actual wording.)

1-2: Weapon Virus: Curse, Fokus 1
Range 24". All ranged weapons in the enemy unit have the "gets hot" special rule

3-4: Plagued Present Curse, Fokus 1
Range 48". Enemy unit rolls a D3:
1: Corpsefliesinfestation: -1 attack, shrouded
2: muscular atrophy: -1 Strength, may not run
3: Liquifying Fever: -1 Strength and -1 toughness

5-6: Plagued Wind Fokus 2, Witchfier
12", S1, AP2, Assault 1, Blast (5"), Poison (4+)


Discipline of Slaanesh

Primary Power: Overload Witchfire, warp charge 1
24" S4 AP4 Assault 4, concussive, Blind, Pinning

1-2: hysterical frenzy Blessing, Warp Charge 1
Pick non-vehicle unit within 12" and roll a D3
1: +1 Initiative
2: +1 Strength
3: +1 Attack

3-4: Symphony of Pain Curse, Warp Charge 1
1 Enemy unit within 24 inches gets -1 BS and -1 WS. All ranged weapons directed at this unit get +1 Strength.

5-6: extatic wince Witchfire, warp charge 2
24": S: special, AP - Assault 1.
Every nonvehicle model in the enemy unit suffers 1 hit with its own strength.


Phew. That's about it.

...

Ooops. Plasma Cannon with Obliterators is in, I just forgot it. And it should be Assault Cannon, not Autocannon. S6 AP4 Heavy4 Rending. The Space Marine thingy.

...

One question BramGaunt, what is the Berserker special rule?

Ah, I mistranslated that... it's the Rage USR.

Have your Death Guard terminators equipped the the slaanesh banner

You can't, since it's Mark of Slaanesh only.

So battallion has 3 bikes, 5 possessed, 10 CSMs and a rhino if I see that correctly.

Yes, and it's 95€. Same as the Space Marine battalion.

...

One last befor I head off:

The Demon Prince is the only HQ choice with LD9. Everyone else got 10.

Also, he has WS9, BS5, S6, T5, W4, A5, I8. No Special Rules listed, and his save is - in the summary. I guess you can buy him stuff, though.

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orkybenji wrote:
 unmercifulconker wrote:



Is it just me or does the dragon look amazing from a top down view?



It's just you.


No it is not. I also think it looks a lot better from the top down view.

   
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 Dr. Delorean wrote:
*Raises Gun to temple* can some please justify this, cause I'm going to have to sell one of my kidneys.


Hang on a sec, *puts on shining white plate mail*

Firstly, it's hardback, which no magazine is (to my knowledge, anyway), secondly, it's far better bound and constructed, so it'll stand up to more wear and tear, and thirdly, unlike most magazines, it isn't predominantly advertising, I think the only thing you could really call advertising are the model pictures, but they usually only take up five or six pages anyway.

And, not that it'll make you feel any better, but, it's a new army release, that's as good an excuse for a price rise as any.

One day unfortunately, the rest of the world will have to pay Australian prices, and yea verily, we shall come to the End of Days.


First: The average hardback is, I believe around £18 pounds in the UK, this will be £30, for a hundred and four pages.

Secondly: I treat my books well, they remain in a good state.

Third: Not all magazine's are predominately advertising, and the book still somewhat does, as you mentioned.

It's 30 pounds, I don't care if it's a hardback, it's only a hundred and four pages, I would expect far more than that for 30 pounds.

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Bloodcrusher of Khorne: Model gains +1 Toughness, +1 Attack and +1 Wound and changes it's unit type to cavallery
TWC for Chaos!

Icon of Rage: Furious Charge, Unit may reroll Charge Distance
Yikes!

Sonic Blaster: Enemy units within 6" may not perform defensive fire.
WOW! No overwatch for you.

3-4: Bolt of Corruption: Beam, Focus1
18", S8, AP1, Detonation (If the target is an enemy vehicle and suffers a "Vehicle explodes" result the radius of the blast is 2d6 inches instead of D6 inches)

This is kind of hilarious.


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Battle Barge Impossible Fortress

How about we stop arguing about Soul Blaze and it's effectiveness and be grateful that we have new rules.
   
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WHOA! How did I miss that the Chosen Champion (the single-frame plastic guy) is packing a combi-melta?!

Must have now.


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 Brometheus wrote:
How about we stop arguing about Soul Blaze and it's effectiveness and be grateful that we have new rules.


Is that like not complaining how the turd smells and be thankful it's warm?

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

it could be a massive thorn in your opponents side.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I never said it was massive. I just said it could be a thorn in your opponent's side.


Smooth.

Look, a storm bolter is 3 pts and Soul Blaze is worse. For one thing, I can shoot two storm bolters at one unit if I want to, I can't Soul Blaze a unit twice. And half the time it won't even work. So unless this Icon costs 2 points or less, it's massively overpriced. And older rumours have said that there is actually a 20-point surcharge for combining an Icon and Mark on the same unit, so that's game over right there.

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Definitely a nice mini. I will be picking one up.
   
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 Brometheus wrote:
Definitely a nice mini. I will be picking one up.


What mini? The chosen?
Actually is he the only plastic blister in this release? It seems as I have seen till now the rest are fine cast.

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 blood reaper wrote:
 avedominusnox wrote:
evilfish wrote:
Sorry for not reading all 30+ pages in case this is already said.

Any news about plague marines? Going to plastic or new sculpts? or upgrade kit?

Would be interesting to see the stats for the dragon and new mech units...




Till now we are guessing the will stay fine cast sadly.
Sorry I cry too..


It's not too hard to convert 'em though.

Green stuff, decay of flesh, wires, cables and damaged armour.


Just had my hopes up... I guess we will get confirmation once someone gets their hands on the codex. If it shows the old models, most likely going to end up buing 2 boxes of CSMs and shoulder pads for them and if not then just wait till end of the month.
   
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I think so, yes. check out the product list page. He doesnt have the finecast seal.
   
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 Scottywan82 wrote:

WHOA! How did I miss that the Chosen Champion (the single-frame plastic guy) is packing a combi-melta?!


A combi-melta that looks badly melted into his backpack.

I get the felling this guy was originally designed for the starter set and they ran out of room or something.

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Perhaps. Or maybe they wanted a separate chosen-like fella for people who do not want to buy a Starter? There's lots of people like that in my area.
   
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I cant see the combi weapon on the photos. Still the photos don't help a lot...

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 avedominusnox wrote:
I cant see the combi weapon on the photos. Still the photos don't help a lot...


Here you go, pal: https://picasaweb.google.com/108370529345394006791/19September2012?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCPW8xfK5m4yn7QE&feat=directlink#5790173176135164274
   
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Ugh, I need to acquire either some more power mauls or power swords because I see absolutely no point to giving power axes to Noise Marines. So I need to convert some Chosen. Not sure what to do with the one that has a powerfist. I like the pose, just not the fist... sigh.

Looks like the Chosen Champion will have to get the same treatment.

   
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 Rivet wrote:
Ugh, I need to acquire either some more power mauls or power swords because I see absolutely no point to giving power axes to Noise Marines. So I need to convert some Chosen. Not sure what to do with the one that has a powerfist. I like the pose, just not the fist... sigh.

Looks like the Chosen Champion will have to get the same treatment.


This isn't exactly a new development, though, is it? Slaanesh has been +1 I for a while now.

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 blood reaper wrote:
 Dr. Delorean wrote:
*Raises Gun to temple* can some please justify this, cause I'm going to have to sell one of my kidneys.


Hang on a sec, *puts on shining white plate mail*

Firstly, it's hardback, which no magazine is (to my knowledge, anyway), secondly, it's far better bound and constructed, so it'll stand up to more wear and tear, and thirdly, unlike most magazines, it isn't predominantly advertising, I think the only thing you could really call advertising are the model pictures, but they usually only take up five or six pages anyway.

And, not that it'll make you feel any better, but, it's a new army release, that's as good an excuse for a price rise as any.

One day unfortunately, the rest of the world will have to pay Australian prices, and yea verily, we shall come to the End of Days.


First: The average hardback is, I believe around £18 pounds in the UK, this will be £30, for a hundred and four pages.

Secondly: I treat my books well, they remain in a good state.

Third: Not all magazine's are predominately advertising, and the book still somewhat does, as you mentioned.

It's 30 pounds, I don't care if it's a hardback, it's only a hundred and four pages, I would expect far more than that for 30 pounds.


Pretty much this. I can buy a 12 book epic novel series for the price their asking for this. There is no way hardbacking and color would justify that much of a price jump. I could be wrong but didn't we already have our annual bend over and take it price hike this year?

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Rivet wrote:
Ugh, I need to acquire either some more power mauls or power swords because I see absolutely no point to giving power axes to Noise Marines. So I need to convert some Chosen. Not sure what to do with the one that has a powerfist. I like the pose, just not the fist... sigh.

Looks like the Chosen Champion will have to get the same treatment.


This isn't exactly a new development, though, is it? Slaanesh has been +1 I for a while now.


It was more me frustrated that they came with power axes, not that Slaanesh is +1 I (I have always enjoyed slaughtering Loyalist Marines before they can hit me.)

   
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 Brometheus wrote:
Check the first post for new rules.


Yay! More Soul Blaze! More Fear! Some really nice stuff in there but even more lopsided than the rulebook charts.

4 - Warlord and unit have hatred (everything!)
5 - Warlord causes Fear


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The warlord traits except for the Soul Blaze one are pretty good. The Boon chart is hilarious!


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What's bad about fear or hatred? Fear only sucks if you are up against marines (okay, nevermind, I get it). Hatred is good.

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The warlord traits except for the Soul Blaze one are pretty good. The Boon chart is hilarious!

Sweet babies! There is a very slim chance to be turned into a spawn or have nothing happen. I am rather amused at the boon chart. The Warlord Traits please me... greatly.

   
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Boon chart has 6 nothings and 2 bad rolls. Not bad... The rest are pretty nice.

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