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 Lucre wrote:
The Icon of vengeance also give fearless. I have to agree though, with the cost of the aspiring champion included into the squad, they don't feel all that inexpensive or exciting anymore. You can only ever have one dude in every squad with a heavy weapon too unlocked at 10 men. I was hoping this would prove an alternative to having a cultist objective camped in the back, with a 2x autocannon in 10 men or 5 men and one autocannon behind a defense line, but they seem to want to make CSM composition hold very close to codex marine ones.

I guess it comes down to how expensive these marks end up being. Might still be very worth taking with a lord making a bunch of them fearless or other cost shared buffs from marks or icons. 20 men with 4 plasma guns and counter attack from an icon and fearless from a lord might be pretty cute. The cost of the buffs go down the more CSM are benefitting and the weight of those extra attacks really start being felt.

I'm still considering unupgraded noise marines. I hope they are still fearless, that would rule. Just a power weapon on the champion and maybe an icon or something between them. Cheap, fearless, initiative 5 marines with 2 attacks and an AP3 flamer template. Add metal box for added cruelty and blocking.

Don't forget to throw in the Dirge Caster to deny defensive fire.

I just peeked at the GW site and was surprised that there was no boxes of chosen or cultists in this release. It seems that it would have made sense to make those two especially after Dark Vengeance. I just want more cultists

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Does anyone know what the fiend with the hades autocannon is like? I.e. weapon stats and such.

Also, is the dragon going to solely be a anti flyer unit or would it be good in a game were the opponent has no flyers? All I know of the flyer is that it has a anti-flyer attack, so any other info on the flyers rules would be much appreciated

Apparently, the Hades is 48" range, S8 AP4 Heavy 4, Pinning
the Dragon could come with a hades.

Sweet, thanks mate

Am i the only one who thought this?

 Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:
I just peeked at the GW site and was surprised that there was no boxes of chosen or cultists in this release. It seems that it would have made sense to make those two especially after Dark Vengeance. I just want more cultists

Then you need MORE copies of Dark Vengeance

(sorry, I'm in sarcastic anti-GW mode at the moment)

 HoverBoy wrote:
Am i the only one who thought this?

Nah, 40k is a sexless universe. The space marines are all eunichs. Even the slaanesh demons have been deboobed.

 HoverBoy wrote:
Am i the only one who thought this?

For extra fun, make him part of the emperor's children.

 Jayden63 wrote:


This is exactly how I used to run my army. I had 5 troop choices. Two were damonettes, two were HTH noise marines with no sonic weapons, one was a shooty noise marine squad (all with sonic weapons). Then there was a 4 blastmaster havok squad, and more sonic weapons on my biker squad.

The combination of dedicated shooty to soften stuff up and then go in with a hard hitting high initative unit removed many threats without loosing too much in return. As for the damonettes, I'm really hoping there is some sort of summoning icon that makes for daemon allies that are reliable.

Can't deamons benefit from personal icons in the csm codex. Battle bros are considered friendly units.

I thinkin runnin with this:

2 slaanesh sorcerers (assuming I can have noise marines as troops)

2x shooty NM

havocs with blastmasters (assuming thats possible)

a shooty deamon engine

Slaanesh allies:

masque

daemonettes

3x slaanesh chariots and maybe some seekers.

Kevlar wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:
Am i the only one who thought this?

Nah, 40k is a sexless universe. The space marines are all eunichs. Even the slaanesh demons have been deboobed.

Would anyone by any chance happen to know what weapon options the cultist leader has? And are there other special/heavy weapon options besides flamer and the heavy stubber? And can you mix shooty and CC cultists in the same squad?

(For some reason to me these lowly cultists are the most interesting unit in the codex.)

 HoverBoy wrote:
Am i the only one who thought this?

Or put beer cans at the end of his tentacles and call him the beersmith.


I like the Aspiring Champion a lot, and the Raptors seem cool (and I'm sure will have lots of bits for tacking on other troops). Not touching the rest.

The problem cultists are going to have is being non fearless cannon fodder if just about anything charges a 30 block of them the combat resolution. A good example is if cultists kill 3 meq (about 48 points worth) and the meq kill 8 cultists (about 24 points worth) the meq wins combat by 5 and the cultists will probably get swept.

2 or 3 full squads is plenty, after that troops units need to be durable units for forward objective takers that won't crumble in cc. Unless off course there is a way to make cultists fearless with an icon, then by all means go wild with cultists.

WELL

Apparently, Dark Apostles can be stuck into the units to make them Fearless.

Sure they'll get pick out in a challenge. But if he wins the challenge, they will be one mean unit

Aiight, here's what I have found out so far:

Basic Chaos Marines are at the point cost I was hoping they'd be at, aka 2 points less than Grey Hunters.
UNFORTUNATELY
CCW's are optional, you have to pay points
Veterans of the Long War is also an optional upgrade

If you take both of the above options, they end up at Tactical Marine cost.

Base squad of cultists is Champion plus 9 for 50 points.
Dark Apostles are the cost of a Dreadnought and are an HQ choice.

Nice. I wonder if Chosen come with CCW/BP/Bolter?

 Flashman wrote:

Then you need MORE copies of Dark Vengeance

I fail to see how this is a bad thing I would expect cultist models whenever Chaos gets another wave of stuff, whether that's in a couple weeks or a couple months.

 Fugazi wrote:

Or put beer cans at the end of his tentacles and call him the beersmith.

This is a good idea.

Also, looking at the battleforce, you're saving about $32 over buying everything retail. Not bad! Then you realize that most of those savings are on the Chaos Biker models, which are ancient and have zero options. Oh well, I guess Chaos can't escape having ancient models in their battleforces.

Out of curiosity, for the Veterans of the Long War upgrade, with Hatred (Space Marines), does this merely apply to Codex: Space Marines such that they do not hate Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Dark Angels and Black Templars as well? Or does it cover all of them?

 Vaktathi wrote:
Out of curiosity, for the Veterans of the Long War upgrade, with Hatred (Space Marines), does this merely apply to Codex: Space Marines such that they do not hate Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Dark Angels and Black Templars as well? Or does it cover all of them?

Since it doesn't specifically say Codex: Space Marines, I would rule that it applies to -all- Space Marines, and I would suppose even Chaos Space Marines.

 Crimson wrote:
Would anyone by any chance happen to know what weapon options the cultist leader has? And are there other special/heavy weapon options besides flamer and the heavy stubber? And can you mix shooty and CC cultists in the same squad?

(For some reason to me these lowly cultists are the most interesting unit in the codex.)

The playtest entry that was leaked a while ago gave the leader the option of a shotgun and/or power weapon. The heavy weapon options are shotguns, heavy stubbers or flamers. I can't remember about the last part. The points costs seem to have changed/were wrong though so who knows what else will be different.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Aiight, here's what I have found out so far:

Basic Chaos Marines are at the point cost I was hoping they'd be at, aka 2 points less than Grey Hunters.
UNFORTUNATELY
CCW's are optional, you have to pay points
Veterans of the Long War is also an optional upgrade

If you take both of the above options, they end up at Tactical Marine cost.

Base squad of cultists is Champion plus 9 for 50 points.
Dark Apostles are the cost of a Dreadnought and are an HQ choice.

So you can have Bolters and CCW's?

Or is that an illegal option?

 blood reaper wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Aiight, here's what I have found out so far:

Basic Chaos Marines are at the point cost I was hoping they'd be at, aka 2 points less than Grey Hunters.
UNFORTUNATELY
CCW's are optional, you have to pay points
Veterans of the Long War is also an optional upgrade

If you take both of the above options, they end up at Tactical Marine cost.

Base squad of cultists is Champion plus 9 for 50 points.
Dark Apostles are the cost of a Dreadnought and are an HQ choice.

So you can have Bolters and CCW's?

Or is that an illegal option?

I have no idea, I can ask. Also to be honest I may be getting trolled so don't believe just everything I am typing, the person posted an English version of the Chaos Space Marines summary so that's why I believe it's true, though there's always the chance for something to go awry.

And yeah looks like Cultists are the same cost as Conscripts. :(

:edit:
Also Brometheus you will like this, Ahriman apparently got ahold of a Str6 Ap3 force weapon. Now I feel like I'm getting trolled! haha

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Aiight, here's what I have found out so far:

Basic Chaos Marines are at the point cost I was hoping they'd be at, aka 2 points less than Grey Hunters.
UNFORTUNATELY
CCW's are optional, you have to pay points
Veterans of the Long War is also an optional upgrade

If you take both of the above options, they end up at Tactical Marine cost.

Base squad of cultists is Champion plus 9 for 50 points.
Dark Apostles are the cost of a Dreadnought and are an HQ choice.

When I first read this, I was like WTF, theirs no way that they are 1 point more then a sister of battle.
Then I realize that if compared to a Necron warrior, their point cost does make sense. Sure Necrons have a worse armour save and Initiative but they have reanimation protocols, guass weapons and 2 more leadership. Which made me sad, cause I realize my sisters of battle are over-cost.

So a CSM who upgrades to CCW costs as much as a Grey Hunter and has no ATSKNF, no Counterattack, no free special/heavy. Fair enough...

Curious abou Lucius, really want to see if the title eternal means something now...

Okay, huge ass post!

First of all:
Daemon Princes of Tzeentch are going to be stupidly powerful but really expensive. You can have up to 3 Mastery Levels for a Daemon Prince! A Daemon Prince with Power Armor is 50 more points than the current Daemon Prince. Wings are I believe the same cost as the Daemons codex, so a Daemon Prince with PA and Wings is 90 more points than the current Daemon Prince unupgraded.

Sorcerers are super inexpensive! Tzeentch, the HQ section loves you is all I'm gonna say. You guys got a lot of really good stuff going for you so no worries there.

Unit of Chaos Space Marines: 1 Aspiring Champ+4 Marines for 75 points, so not terrible. And I was right about the cost being 2 less than normal Grey Hunters so yeah. Additional close combat weapons are expensive. However you can replace your boltgun with a CCW for free!
Marks scale up, for example the Mark of Khorne is X/points per model instead of there being an icon. A Chaos Space Marine with the Marks of Khorne, Tzeentch or Slaanesh is the same cost as a Grey Hunter, if they have the Mark of Nurgle then they are the same cost as a Tac Marine. This is without other upgrades btw.

Icon of Despair is super cheap, actually most of the Icons really aren't that bad. The Icon of Excess (FNP ) is the most expensive.

Chosen Champs and Aspiring Champs can buy a roll from the Chaos Boon Chart. I know what I'm doing for my first list.

The Armory is Back!
So it's not the same name, but it's basically the same thing as far as I'm concerned
I noted that the Daemon Prince had options from both the Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section, but the wording says "the Daemon Prince has access to Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section of the wargear list. So I believe that Daemon Princes can take Daemon Weapons! woooo

The Aspiring Champion has a similar note, except that it's from the "Ranged or Close Combat section of the wargear list"

I have a question. What happens if your chaos lord issues a challenge, wins and rolls on the table and becomes a daemon prince but you don't have a daemon prince model?

 Necrosis wrote:
I have a question. What happens if your chaos lord issues a challenge, wins and rolls on the table and becomes a daemon prince but you don't have a daemon prince model?

Honestly I'd just say that he absorbs a lot of power but he retains the same look. Maybe just bring a bigger base to put him on.
I'm sure that it is explained better in the book but I haven't seen that portion yet

Wow, a Level 1 Sorcerer is just 60 pts.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Wow, a Level 1 Sorcerer is just 60 pts.

Really?

"Awesome."

I read that Berserkers now have
"WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A1 Ld8. Fearless, Furious Charge, +2pts for a chain axe for any model, Mark of Khorne (Rage, Counter Attack), champ can take any ranged/melee weapons from the wargear section".

What would be the corresponding line for plague marines?

Minx wrote:
I read that Berserkers now have
"WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A1 Ld8. Fearless, Furious Charge, +2pts for a chain axe for any model, Mark of Khorne (Rage, Counter Attack), champ can take any ranged/melee weapons from the wargear section".

What would be the corresponding line for plague marines?

Big "Eh" on this situation. Only 1 attack?

Wonder what the Chain Axe will do.