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So you don't want oil development at all then?

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 Poppabear wrote:
Where is the day for all the innocent lives that the Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?


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 Frazzled wrote:
So you don't want oil development at all then?

Tell me Frazzled, your guy's "Oil Development" is really just coming up with some dumb justification to invade a country, kill millions and take everything that is useful out it. When it comes to the likes of Canadians, you guys pretty much illegally build pipes under BC and Alberta and steal the damn the thing.

"Oil Development" what a joke.

Says the guy from Australia that mines the hell out of his own country.

Where is the day for all the innocent lives that the Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Whatever day the Australian Army decides to do it. They opted out innocent people to while in Afghanistan.

 Jihadin wrote:

Where is the day for all the innocent lives that the Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Whatever day the Australian Army decides to do it. They opted out innocent people to while in Afghanistan.

Well once you unleash the killer drop bears, you can't control them.

Frazzled wrote:So you don't want oil development at all then?

I'll answer your question once you phrase it in the form of not a strawman. kthx

 azazel the cat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:So you don't want oil development at all then?

I'll answer your question once you phrase it in the form of not a strawman. kthx

You don't want a pipeline correct? How do you expect to move the hydrocarbons? Fairies?

 Frazzled wrote:

No, not at all. The hydrocarbon market is quite fungible. If you are a sconsumer big enough to buy a cargo you're good to go.

If we assume all consumers are equal a reduction in supply to one particular nation, holding demand constant, necessarily increases price for that nation over the term of the supply reduction. You don't need to lower global supply, you just need to impede supply to the relevant nation.

That's how embargoes work, you aren't stopping supply from flowing, you're making it harder for it to flow.

Frazzled wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:So you don't want oil development at all then?

I'll answer your question once you phrase it in the form of not a strawman. kthx

You don't want a pipeline correct? How do you expect to move the hydrocarbons? Fairies?

See? More strawmanning. I didn't say I was against a pipeline. I said I was against the Gateway Pipeline Project.

I'm perfectly fine with a pipeline, so long as the legislature works to find a way to hold both oil companies and those responsible for making its decisions personally accountable for any environmental disasters that might occur as a result of their decisions, including criminal charges and asset seizures. Additionally, I'd like to see BC actually get some fiscal compensation for allowing a pipeline to pass from Alberta to the West Coast. After all, Frazzled, wouldn't you expect compensation if your neighbour on your right wanted to build a pipe through your front yard to your neighbour on your left?

However, if these two caveats are not acceptable to the parties involved, then they can definitely fill up tank trucks and drive.

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

No, not at all. The hydrocarbon market is quite fungible. If you are a sconsumer big enough to buy a cargo you're good to go.

If we assume all consumers are equal a reduction in supply to one particular nation, holding demand constant, necessarily increases price for that nation over the term of the supply reduction. You don't need to lower global supply, you just need to impede supply to the relevant nation.

Absent military intervention or destruction of pipelines however, you can't impede supply to a particular nation.

EDIT: this applies to distillates. Natural gas requires more specialized tankers. A major pipeline shutoff can have a stronger, albeit temporary, effect.

 Huffy wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


Iraq a democracy.

Riiiggghhhtt...the same Iraq where the VP was just sentenced to death right?...it may be a democracy in name, but thats about it

No, its a democracy. Democracy doesn't mean "no death sentences." Or, more properly, "democracy" doesn't mean "Western Democracy."

 Frazzled wrote:

Absent military intervention or destruction of pipelines however, you can't impede supply to a particular nation.

Sure you can. OPEC did it twice.

edit: Unless by "military intervention" you mean anything violent.

That was 30 years ago. You need to update your information.

The oil supply production is radically different now.

 azazel the cat wrote:
I'd rather see Canada sell refined oil products to the US; rather than pump crude via a pipeline.

Refining is nasty business... you want all that gunk happening in your pristine lands?

Actually, I though ya'll had a couple refineries by Calgary??

 Frazzled wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Where is the day for all the innocent lives that the Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Whatever day the Australian Army decides to do it. They opted out innocent people to while in Afghanistan.

Well once you unleash the killer drop bears, you can't control them.

Ahem, you guys know those red stars mean he's a kiwi right?

 Frazzled wrote:
That was 30 years ago. You need to update your information.

The oil supply production is radically different now.

It is different, but the underlying concepts are the same. You can impede supply by stopping direct export.

What has changed in the 11 years?

The republicans went from using it as a rallying cry and jusification for everything they did and said to this:


They also went from "Bin Laden is public enemy number one and we will never forget or rest until we get him" to their recent flip flop of implying that Obama is somehow a bad man for getting him and downplaying his death, etc.

Gotta love em...

Thanks Auston

The same day that New Zealand recognize the innocent people their military opted out.

I live to serve...or rather observe
RECON.

Still, back to the original premise, is there much hope hope for the future when Arab extremist elements seem to be spreading now unchecked by the (now dead or removed) despots who used to hold them back, by burying them in the desert?

Still time to make a Tin-foil hat ready for when the Arabic version of "Life of Brian" hits youtube.

Going to get interesting when this movie comes out

Another changes
2 Sagrillieges against Islam.
Daily terrorist attacks at the 3 southernmost province of Thailand. Instigators and reasons unknown.