Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Liking the look of the gameplay so far, would be very interested to see how it works at larger scales with a large varity of units. I do love the fact that it so closely imitates the old grid based tacitcal RPG games, which I gather was the point. Use to love games like FF Tactics, Vandal Hearts, Legend of Katia, have real "soft spot" for games like that. Kinda of a shame that the genre has declied with every new generation of gaming.

Either way this projects got my interest, would love to create some scenery for this game, at only 15"x15" boards for an avarage game it would'nt be too hard, could be fun as well. So I guess I'm curious now even though its probley a long way off are we ever going to see summons/GF's make a apperence in this game (and on the board itself ), if so I'll just have design and sculpt one for myself, as sad as it is I've always wanted to design a summon, thier just so over the top and destructive its awsome, I mean really who does'nt like to blow up three quarters of the battle map just to kill two slimes and a spider, plues no JRPG's complete without summons.

How about dropping in the forthcoming PP Archangel as a summons



cool looking - check
insanely out of scale to the rest of the characters - check
Dragon like - check

perfect

I don't think it's out of scale (dragons are supposed to be huge!) but certainly is too big... unless there's some kind of "end boss" mode

True, very true, he is a perfect looking summon counts-as, he'll probley snap the board in half when you plunk him down.

But c'mon thats not half as fun designing and sculpting it yourself (well at least to me), just think of it this way Orlando, every time you use him/her/it you can rest safe in the knowleage that it was yours and yours hard work only that broke the carefully made and most likley expensive scenery and ruined the game for your opponent FOREVER every single time. Isn't that just worth the extra effort.

A Summoner class is in the rules, as are Bosses and Mid-Bosses

 Rolt wrote:
True, very true, he is a perfect looking summon counts-as, he'll probley snap the board in half when you plunk him down.

But c'mon thats not half as fun designing and sculpting it yourself (well at least to me), just think of it this way Orlando, every time you use him/her/it you can rest safe in the knowleage that it was yours and yours hard work only that broke the carefully made and most likley expensive scenery and ruined the game for your opponent FOREVER every single time. Isn't that just worth the extra effort.

I like the way you think.

Kickstarter Update - All Dead, All Dead wrote:Heath has sent along the art for the first half of our 30k Stretch Goal, the contents of the Miasma Crystal Chest:

As a foil of the Cleric, the Dark Priest inflicts status effects and has HP and MP draining abilities. The Dark Priest can also apply Dark Blood to a model, causing Dark Element abilities to heal it, providing a loophole in its usual focus on offensive support.

Next up art-wise is the Void Crystal Chest's Gunsmith, Pugilist, and Chemist; but they'll have to wait until we hit $15k!

We've got an optional extra or two going to be added soon as well, I've just gotta get pics to go with it from Outrider Hobbies.

Next up art-wise is the Void Crystal Chest's Gunsmith, Pugilist, and Chemist; but they'll have to wait until we hit $15k!

Oh so its like that than is it Cyp, your shameless, just shameless.

But seriously, the Miasma chest does look pretty good, not a fan of "undead" armies myself, but its still a nice series of designs. The Miasma thrall is quite intresting I gather the miasma cause's an "infection" of sorts to those it touches, would be cool to eventully see some larger monsters with same disease, if thats how it works of course.

 Rolt wrote:

Next up art-wise is the Void Crystal Chest's Gunsmith, Pugilist, and Chemist; but they'll have to wait until we hit $15k!

Oh so its like that than is it Cyp, your shameless, just shameless.

 Rolt wrote:
But seriously, the Miasma chest does look pretty good, not a fan of "undead" armies myself, but its still a nice series of designs. The Miasma thrall is quite intresting I gather the miasma cause's an "infection" of sorts to those it touches, would be cool to eventully see some larger monsters with same disease, if thats how it works of course.

We'll go over the fluff behind the Miasma Thralls and Risen Warriors in an upcoming website post, but I will say the term 'Miasma Troll' has been tossed around a few times..

I've very impressed by the Miasma Chest art, you guys have outdone yourselves Cy! All three of the concepts look fantastic! I really like the take you guys did the Dark Priest too, he looks very mysterious and undoubtedly evil!

Heath did a fantastic job on them, we're really happy with how they came out.

The demo board is almost done, take a look:



Also, someone made a reddit post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/kickstarter/comments/11fp89/check_out_this_awesome_final_fantasy_tactics/

If you're into reddit, and looking to share the KS with folks, some upvotes would be great!

I think i understand it as a crystal as being a team of 3 figures?

How much will these sets cost then?

So far, I'm interested, but the price is a little steep for what you get.

A second question I have is about larger figures, and enemies. Are there going to be larger teams for the baddies? What are they going to be looking like?

 Grot 6 wrote:
I think i understand it as a crystal as being a team of 3 figures?

I'll give this one a shot, though by no means am I the most qualified to do so.

The Crystal chests are just assortments of figures with something in common, not so much a team. From what I've gathered reading the quick start rules and playing a few games (and running a very fun demo of Endless today), the average point cost of a team is 10 crystals. For example if you look at the quick start rules in your demo team you have a Thief, Sorcerer, Knight, Cleric, and Archer. All are two crystal cost models, for a total of 10. On the Lamb has a list of the 19 classes in the core ruleset on their website. It appears that your standard class will be two crystal cost, your junior classes (probably adept and squire?) will cost 1, and Unique named characters and Trolls and what not will cost 3 crystals.

How much will these sets cost then?

I don't believe these sets will be the retail releases for the game, I believe there will be different system to the releases (at least this is what I have gathered), so I unfortunately do not have an answer to this one.

So far, I'm interested, but the price is a little steep for what you get.

I don't think it's too bad considering you need 4-6 models on average for a team, it's definitely comparable to some of the lower entry cost games that I play or am familiar with (Firestorm Armada, Malifaux, Mordheim), and definitely cheaper than games like Warmachine and Warhammer (though I honestly can't think of many games that even come close to the cost of these two). While you may not get as many models as some of the other similarly priced games, you don't need as many, and you'll definitely save on terrain and playing space costs compared to others.

That said, I do feel the chests become a much better deal when the enhanced goal is reached on the kickstarter. I think a lot of the cost of this endeavor is this is a small company that is trying to build a game from the ground up, so naturally they do not have the initial funding that some kickstarter projects do. I mean companies like Coolminiornot or Mantic are large enough and profitable enough to have their projects start out with heavy monetary investments in them and give you an amazing deal without stretch goals or anything, because at the end of the day, if the project is not incredibly successful they have many other very successful projects keeping them afloat.

Sorry for the rant on that one.

A second question I have is about larger figures, and enemies. Are there going to be larger teams for the baddies? What are they going to be looking like?

I think that larger figures and "enemies (such as non-standard classes, like beastment, gels, etc)" are available to any players to use in their party. I know OtLG have mentioned scenarios in their full rulebook, so there may be some scenarios with more "baddies" than standard classes. But in general, since both players have pretty much full access to the rosters (standard classes and monsters), I don't think either side will have a significantly larger force (unless you mean numerically, if one player decides to pick all one crystal cost models they will most likely outnumber their opponent). I'm not sure what all the enemies will look like, or all of the larger figures, but on the kickstarter updates they have Previewed the Earth Troll (a larger figure), and a fair few of non-standard class characters (Miasma Thrall, Risen Warrior, Beastman Laborer, Gel Warrior, Gel Wizard, etc....)


I hope that answers some of your questions Grot! I'm sure one of the OtLG people will be by soon to give you a more accurate answer.

It does. Thanks for the reply, I think I will go out on a limb and see what comes from this.

thanks again for the reply.

Not a problem! If anything else comes up, I'd be happy to try and help!

Hello there! Welcome to Dakka and the Endless Fantasy Tactics thread!

Grot - Sabotage got it pretty much spot on. The Crystal Chests are just an easy way for us to load up models for people with a somewhat similar theme, there are no factions and the only restrictions to party building is you have to pay the Crystal Cost of the model. Our plan is to keep adding to these throughout the campaign, giving the Crystal Chests at least a 10 Crystals.. (as well as dropping named folks/larger monsters on Knight/Thief/Dragoon/Ceric pledges).

Lesser Classes and Monsters are 1 Crystal, such as the Adept, Bandit, and Squire, and get to choose 2 abilities from a list of 5.
Classes and Standard Monsters are 2 Crystals and get to choose 4 abilities from a list of 10.
Unique Characters and Large Monsters are 3 Crystals and have 6 preset abilities
Mid-Bosses are 4 Crystals and also have 6 preset abilities, but sometimes as have multiple phases (as in drop to 0, change cards, and get new abilities).
Bosses are 5 Crystals, have 6 preset abilities, and always have multiple phases, and are unique.

A standard game is 10 Crystals, so you will on average have 5 models on the table.

So if you wanted to you could take a Boss, a Mid Boss, and a Lesser Monster as a regular party.

Sounds pretty good, being able to field a mid-boss plus a bunch of lesser monsters could create some very thematic games. You should probley post some of this information up on the kickstarter
page Cyp, it would'nt hurt to show potenial backers how this game will expand.

P.s the demos boards coming very nicely.

The Show Must Go On

Kickstarter Update wrote:Its nice to wake up and see one of the Rhapsodist levels taken, which means only two are left! This level not only gets you the Cleric rewards, but they'll come to you painted, you'll get your on personal hero model, and you'll have that satisfaction of knowing you helped give the campaign a huge boost towards the next goal.

At this point we're only $1129 from the initial goal, which isn't much; Only about 4 Clerics, 6 Dragoons, or 12 Thieves. I'm putting on the finishing touches to a 'Quick-Kickstarter' Rules packet that we will release at $15k in a Backers Only update, this will include two more units, two item cards, and the expanded rules from the proper book. With your help we should get to $15k pretty soon, so spread the word to your friends, forums, and favorite news sites. Remember you can grab avatars in the first update.

We've had a number of folks asking about factions and party creation, let me see if I can clear that up. The Crystal Chests are just an easy way for us to load up models for people with a somewhat similar theme, there are no factions (other than in fluff) and the only restrictions to party building is you have to pay the crystal cost of the model. Our plan is to keep adding to the Crystal Chests throughout the campaign, giving them around 10 to 20 crystals; as well as dropping named folks/larger monsters on Knight/Thief/Dragoon/Ceric pledges. (Clerics will get just about everything produced from the campaign automatically.)

Lesser Classes and Monsters are 1 Crystal, such as the Adept, Bandit, and Squire, and get to choose 2 abilities from a list of 5.
Classes and Standard Monsters are 2 Crystals and get to choose 4 abilities from a list of 10.
Unique Characters and Large Monsters are 3 Crystals and have 6 preset abilities
Mid-Bosses are 4 Crystals and also have 6 preset abilities, but sometimes as have multiple phases (as in drop to 0, change cards, and get new abilities).
Bosses are 5 Crystals, have 6 preset abilities, and always have multiple phases, and are unique.

In a standard game you would have 10 Crystals (Points/Resources) to build your party, so you will on average have 5 models on the table. You can play larger or smaller games if you like, but this is the recommended size. There is no restriction on having multiples, unless the unit is Unique (like a named hero).

So a few Examples:
Bryan's party: Knight, Cleric, Archer, Archer, Berserker
Ericka's party: Crusader, Rune Fencer, Earth Troll, Fire Troll
Nick's party: Sorcerer, Sorcerer, Sorcerer, Adept, Adept, Adept, Adept
Anna's party: King Gel, Gel Warrior, Gel Warrior, Gel Warrior, Gel Wizard, Gel Wizard

Doing the 14,000 dance!

Less than 700 dollars to go from being funded... GET YOUR FRIENDS INVOLVED!!!

Yeah, it's close!

I want like, 30 gel warriors please. Different shade for each!

If you haven't pledge already, there is still plenty of time to do it

msears wrote:
I want like, 30 gel warriors please. Different shade for each!

You got it

It's nearing funding, It should be there by today or tomorrow. Seriously, if you are sitting on the fence, there is talks in the comments with OTL and backers about increasing the model count side, so now is the time to get in on this so we can see it funded

 Alfndrate wrote:
It's nearing funding, It should be there by today or tomorrow. Seriously, if you are sitting on the fence, there is talks in the comments with OTL and backers about increasing the model count side, so now is the time to get in on this so we can see it funded

This is the truth if I have ever seen it!

I still want a printed rulebook lol...

 Alfndrate wrote:
I still want a printed rulebook lol...

Heresy! Minis for the Mini God! Superglue for his Throne!

PS. Do you realize your banner doesn't link to to the KS page?