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After our conversation about Flame of the Firehawk, I stopped completing any quests that have blue or better rewards until I hit 50. At 49 now, so we'll see if that works.

When I do my next two characters, I'll do that for the whole TVHM playthrough to see if I can keep all the good blues that way.

 pretre wrote:
After our conversation about Flame of the Firehawk, I stopped completing any quests that have blue or better rewards until I hit 50. At 49 now, so we'll see if that works.

When I do my next two characters, I'll do that for the whole TVHM playthrough to see if I can keep all the good blues that way.

I cannot recommend this enough.

Having played the first, we knew to do this. Do not touch side quests in the second play through until its over; do story missions back to back.

Sure, xp and money ones should be ok, but either some of the loot quest rewards seemed to be set by just talking to the person, that there was an issue with starting them, or that the loot was low level for a couple anyway.

Same for tipping Moxxie.

That's good info to know!

Just hit 50 on Gaige and burned through 20 golden keys. lol

Axton is reaaaally close now.

I realized this morning that I probably should have paired up a different two characters. Both of these have independent action skills and I should have had an active action skill character and an independent one. Now when I dual screen the other character will be useless. Oh well.

Holy heck how did you get so many golden keys I used up that first one i had round level 20ish and have not found any more since!

kirsanth wrote:

 pretre wrote:
After our conversation about Flame of the Firehawk, I stopped completing any quests that have blue or better rewards until I hit 50. At 49 now, so we'll see if that works.

When I do my next two characters, I'll do that for the whole TVHM playthrough to see if I can keep all the good blues that way.

I cannot recommend this enough.

Having played the first, we knew to do this. Do not touch side quests in the second play through until its over; do story missions back to back.

Sure, xp and money ones should be ok, but either some of the loot quest rewards seemed to be set by just talking to the person, that there was an issue with starting them, or that the loot was low level for a couple anyway.

Same for tipping Moxxie.

It should be noted that you must complete the ENTIRE story line including killing the Warrior, AND kill Terramorphous for playthrough 2.5 to unlock. Once you have done that, it is safe to do the side quests and you will be guaranteed level 50 rewards. Just be sure to not speak to anyone that offers a side quest at any time until you have done all of this if you want the reward to be level 50.

As for tipping Moxxie, you can do that at any time and she will always give you the reward at a level based on your current story progress. However, you must sell the Good Touch in order to get another Good Touch. If you have one on your character or in storage, she will not give you the reward.

As far as I know, she will only ever give you ONE Bad Touch, but she can give you a Good Touch over and over. If you want a level 50 Bad Touch, you cannot tip her at all until Playthrough 2.5 is unlocked.

It should also be noted that until Playthrough 2.5 is unlocked, most Legendary drops will be level 48 or level 49 even if the NPC you are killing for the drop is level 50+. The exceptions to this are the Warrior and Terramorphous I believe.

Tazz Azrael wrote:Holy heck how did you get so many golden keys I used up that first one i had round level 20ish and have not found any more since!

Follow Gearbox on Twitter and/or Facebook. They post codes to unlock Golden Keys. In fact, after your first Golden Key, that is the only way to get more.

Ugh, I have to kill Terra to get 2.5 to unlock? I may not end up getting that then since I don't really play with other people. Might as well go complete my quests.

Re: Golden Keys, yeah I follow Gearbox and Randy on twitter and facebook.

Pro Tip:

Once you hit 50, go farm Hunter Hellquist for a Bee shield. It will be level 48 or 49, but that will barely matter. He drops one about every 50-60 kills or so, and kills take about 3-4 minutes each, so it should not take TOO long to get one. Once you have a Bee, you should be able to handle Terramorphous no problem as long as you have a reasonable gun. A Conference Call would be ideal, but assuming you do not have one of those, any decent SMG or Assault Rifle with a solid fire rate (Moxxi's guns and Dahl SMG's are perfect) will work.

When you enter his lair, turn around and look for the ramp leading out. About 3/4 of the way up that ramp on the right hand side there is a rock formation before it drops off onto the plateau. There is a tall, triangular rock that you can hide behind and most of his attacks cannot hit you due to the angle. A few of his tentacles can hit you if you are not careful, namely if they spawn to the left of you.

So, call Terramorhphous with the giant horn overlooking the valley then run to this spot. Use the Bee shield and just shoot him to death with your weapon of choice. If you use a Good Touch, he might become fire immune at one point in the fight and you will have to switch guns, but otherwise he should go down relatively easily. You only need to kill him once to get the unlock.

If you were on 360 I would offer to kill him for you to get you the unlock, but alas, IIRC you are on PS3.

Wow. Okay. I'll give it a shot. I just got to arid nexus.

I had to respec and juggle too. Sawtooth was destroying me. Lost 500-800k on deaths. Ofc some of that was my 5 year old with axton. Hopefully the new spec will work better.

What spec are you currently using and what was going wrong?

I was using a mostly BFF spec with a dip into the central tree. I had swapped class mod to a epic one I picked up that enhanced More Pep and the shooty skills from BFF which was just bad. Deathtrap was going down more than a two dollar whore and me with him.. umm Yeah, so I swapped back and picked up 1 point for Anarchy again.

Without going to my PS3, I think I just went to:
5 Close Enough
3 or 4 Cooking
1 Better Half
5 Pony
1 Upshot
2 or 3 Unstoppable
1 Clap
5 Sterner Stuff
3-5 Cooler
1 Sharing

5 More Pep
5 Shock Storm
1 Stare
5 Evil Ench

1 Anarchy

My classmod is cooldown, +4 Sterner and +4 Pony, I think.


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My Axton is basically Guerilla with Survival secondary.

This spec?

I have never liked adding Anarchy to an otherwise BFF/LBT build because I feel it dictates a style of play that does not mesh well with the rest of the talents. With BFF/LBT you want to be using an elemental weapon, particularly shock or fire to make use of Evil Enchantress and Shock Storm, but with Anarchy you want to use a weapon with a small clip like a Jacobs Shotgun, which will never have an elemental type.

If you want to play BFF/LBT I would suggest something more like this spec which gives Deathtrap a nice set of abilities to support you in combat. Also, having a proper shield for him will work wonders. The Hide of Terramorphous is an excellent one but very rare. Otherwise a good Roid or Nova Shield would be best until you can get something stronger.

Obviously you should adjust the above spec to incorporate whatever class mod you happen to be using, and I suggest a Roboteer mod if possible. That will usually give a boost to either Fancy Mathematics, Made of Sterner Stuff, Potent as a Pony or Strength of Five Gorillas as well as extra melee damage for you, and a faster Cooldown for Deathtrap.

My current spec is a variation on the above but uses the Slayer of Terramorphous Class Mod, which is incredibly common once you are able to farm him. Mechromancer and Siren seem to be the most common drops from him.

If you want to play an anarchy build you will want a high powered Jacobs Shotgun with a small clip (A Striker is an excellent choice if you can get one to drop), and a build something like this designed to specialize in close quarters combat. Adjust accordingly based on class mod, of course. With that build you should have little trouble staying alive at close range considering you will regenerate your entire shield every time you kill something. It's ideal for using a Nova shield since it will go off constantly, so the Flame of the Firehawk might actually be pretty useful.

Hope that helps!

I'll give it a shot. I only took anarchy since it is a big buff for 1 pt.


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Okay, found my problem. Coop at 50 is a bad idea with only one real player. Started farming helquist with just Gaige. One I'm a badass.

32 kills and I have my bee.


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Wow. Okay, that changes things.

 pretre wrote:
32 kills and I have my bee.


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Wow. Okay, that changes things.

Hehe, see what I mean? It's low capacity but lightning fast recharge and the amp damage is balls-out crazy.

That said, it is NOT the best shield for dealing with groups of enemies on your own. You spend too much time with it depleted for it to function well. It is perfect for assassinating bosses though, like The Warrior, Terramorphous and other single-target bosses with large health pools. It also adds the amp damage to every single bullet left inside the magazine on Tediore weapons when they are thrown like a grenade, so a weapon like the Baby Maker becomes insane since it splits into 3 smaller guns that all do full damage when thrown. Effectively, you get 3x damage for the price of each bullet.

I switched my Mechromancer to an Anarchy build last night and I have to say, Deathtrap is FAR more fragile in that build. He does a ton of damage for sure, but he is short lived, and in just about every instance he died somewhat early in the fight. Gaige herself does more damage in that build though so it somewhat makes up for it. At close range the build works very well but at medium range she is absolutely useless. A nova shield of one sort or another is definitely the way to go, because every kill gives you back 100% of your shield which is then depleted almost immediately. Also, remembering to melee is a must, because it gives you health regen and does massive damage.

Yeah, I'm gonna stick with my BFF build for a bit. My 'test' for the bee shield was to head over to Ore Chasm and do the first mission of the arena. I've been putting it off. I just tore through it with the bee. I have a semi-accurate Acid SMG that i just put a burst into each robot from downrange and watched them explode. It was hilarious.

I think I'm going to finish Warrior/Terra and then go work on two of my three remaining for a while (Still have Siren, Gunz and Assassin left to level).

Thanks for the info on how to get the keys! And has anyone else found the Nukem launcher yet? I had it drop off The Black Queen in the dust and damn it is a frightening launcher..... creates a small nuke explosion on impact with about 32k dmg for a lvl 30 launcher

A friend of mine gave me a level 30 Volcano on my Zer0 and dear sweet lord that gun is beautiful. I've been blowing through the story missions just to get to TVHM, and I'm level 32 at the moment. Once you get tier 5 in the Sniper tree it all starts to make sense, and a good Sniper class mod makes all the difference. It's like playing a totally different character.

I'm going to need to farm the Warrior for a level 50 version now, but in my previous attempts he has only ever dropped a Conference Call. Does anyone on 360 have a level 50 Volcano they don't want and would be willing to trade for a level 50 Social Conference Call?

Is the Volcano the one with the red flavour text "Pele demands a sacrifice" or something similar to that? If so i love that sniper, it's so brutal!

Yeah, that's the one.

In other news, they nerfed Bee in the latest PC patch, or so I heard. It splits the amp damage between all the projectiles or somesuch.

I never even got to cheaply kill the big guy.

Should still work with shredderfier, lascoux, et al, right? They shoot in a stream, not at once.

Have yet to see a conference call, but have a 53k dmg Bee. . . .

Also, PS3 not patched yet!
Time to farm a CC, I guess.

The damage from the bee is split up across the magazine, essentially. Say you have a weapon with 10 shots and a Bee that does 50k amp damage, intsead of 50k extra damage a shot, you would do 5k extra damage a shot. At least, that is how I understand it. They are also increasing the recharge delay significantly, so that when it is a 0 it will be a while before recharging.

The Tiny Tina quest power level exploit will be fixed and Terramorphous will be getting an huge influx of HP.

As I read it, the damage is divided per bullet fired; basically because of the conference call.
It is to all amp shields too.
As you say it, it is a buff to mechromancers.

Anyone else finding quests completing themselves when you log back in?

 pretre wrote:
32 kills and I have my bee.


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Wow. Okay, that changes things.

In playthrough 1 with my Commando, I got the Bee on the first go. Lucky? Oh yeah. Combined with Doc's shotgun from Old Slappy, I'm slaughtering everything in my path. I'm finding that I love the Bee. The nuke from my turret makes me seriously happy too.

So many easter eggs. so little time (who has spotted the warhammer 40k one yet?)

orkdestroyer1 wrote:
So many easter eggs. so little time (who has spotted the warhammer 40k one yet?)

Refresh my memory-I did, I laughed at it, but quickly forgot it. But you're right, it is in there.

orkdestroyer1 wrote:
So many easter eggs. so little time (who has spotted the warhammer 40k one yet?)

"You know... for him."

That one?

 htj wrote:

orkdestroyer1 wrote:
So many easter eggs. so little time (who has spotted the warhammer 40k one yet?)

"You know... for him."

That one?

Yes. I feel like there was one more though, actually. Maybe that was the only one. I know I did laugh at that though.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 htj wrote:

orkdestroyer1 wrote:
So many easter eggs. so little time (who has spotted the warhammer 40k one yet?)

"You know... for him."

That one?

Yes. I feel like there was one more though, actually. Maybe that was the only one. I know I did laugh at that though.

It's certainly the only one I've seen, but then, there are 80 bajillion guns in the game.