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http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/09/17/warp-drive-may-be-more-feasible-than-thought-scientists-say/?intcmp=features
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'Warp drive' may be more feasible than thought, scientists say
Published September 17, 2012
Space.com

A ring-shaped warp drive device could transport a football-shape starship (center) to effective speeds faster than light. The concept was first proposed by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre. (Harold White)

A warp drive to achieve faster-than-light travel — a concept popularized in television's Star Trek — may not be as unrealistic as once thought, scientists say.

A warp drive would manipulate space-time itself to move a starship, taking advantage of a loophole in the laws of physics that prevent anything from moving faster than light. A concept for a real-life warp drive was suggested in 1994 by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre, however subsequent calculations found that such a device would require prohibitive amounts of energy.

Now physicists say that adjustments can be made to the proposed warp drive that would enable it to run on significantly less energy, potentially brining the idea back from the realm of science fiction into science.

"There is hope," Harold "Sonny" White of NASA's Johnson Space Center said here Friday (Sept. 14) at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting to discuss the challenges of interstellar spaceflight.



Warping space-time

An Alcubierre warp drive would involve a football-shape spacecraft attached to a large ring encircling it. This ring, potentially made of exotic matter, would cause space-time to warp around the starship, creating a region of contracted space in front of it and expanded space behind. [Star Trek's Warp Drive: Are We There Yet? | Video]

Meanwhile, the starship itself would stay inside a bubble of flat space-time that wasn't being warped at all.

"Everything within space is restricted by the speed of light," explained Richard Obousy, president of Icarus Interstellar, a non-profit group of scientists and engineers devoted to pursuing interstellar spaceflight. "But the really cool thing is space-time, the fabric of space, is not limited by the speed of light."

With this concept, the spacecraft would be able to achieve an effective speed of about 10 times the speed of light, all without breaking the cosmic speed limit.

The only problem is, previous studies estimated the warp drive would require a minimum amount of energy about equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.

But recently White calculated what would happen if the shape of the ring encircling the spacecraft was adjusted into more of a rounded donut, as opposed to a flat ring. He found in that case, the warp drive could be powered by a mass about the size of a spacecraft like the Voyager 1 probe NASA launched in 1977.

Furthermore, if the intensity of the space warps can be oscillated over time, the energy required is reduced even more, White found.

"The findings I presented today change it from impractical to plausible and worth further investigation," White told SPACE.com. "The additional energy reduction realized by oscillating the bubble intensity is an interesting conjecture that we will enjoy looking at in the lab."



Laboratory tests

White and his colleagues have begun experimenting with a mini version of the warp drive in their laboratory.

They set up what they call the White-Juday Warp Field Interferometer at the Johnson Space Center, essentially creating a laser interferometer that instigates micro versions of space-time warps.

"We're trying to see if we can generate a very tiny instance of this in a tabletop experiment, to try to perturb space-time by one part in 10 million," White said.

He called the project a "humble experiment" compared to what would be needed for a real warp drive, but said it represents a promising first step.

And other scientists stressed that even outlandish-sounding ideas, such as the warp drive, need to be considered if humanity is serious about traveling to other stars.

"If we're ever going to become a true spacefaring civilization, we're going to have to think outside the box a little bit, were going to have to be a little bit audacious," Obousy said.

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Cool.
But, exotic matter?
Isn't that physics speak for neutronium or similarly unobtainable compounds/matter states?
   
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In this case, negative mass. Alcubierre drives are a pain in the ass that way. Also has the problem that once you've turned it on, there's no way to turn it off.
   
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And let's not forget, a football shaped spaceship is lame.

   
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Yea, dont they know saucers are still fashionable?
   
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Forget warp-drive, I want phasers and transporters!
   
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Just hang some Maga Killazappas off the front of it with a boss paint job and appropriate ominous soundtrack and you're good to go.

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Ill climb aboard as long as the captain looks something like..........

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 Manchu wrote:
And let's not forget, a football shaped spaceship is lame.


You've gotta start somewhere!

Perhaps they could have Tom Brady throw it into the air on its maiden voyage.

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http://www.space.com/17628-warp-drive-possible-interstellar-spaceflight.html

Heres the original space.com link. Might be the same as the one on the FOX news website, but then again FOX news can be quite "slowed".


But I encourage this type of research. It may actually lead to something. If there is even a chance that this could create a major breakthrough for humanity, go for it.



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 Jihadin wrote:
lol Baby steps first.....lets not send the solar system in a blackhole


No way Jose. I want 500 Defiant class attack ships and pronto!

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Before you do that...Scotty needs a refresher course on Starship Engineering.......aaallll of it

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 Jihadin wrote:
lol Baby steps first.....lets not send the solar system in a blackhole


Nah, I say we run at this thing full tilt.

If we succeed, we have just invented FTL travel and we can explore the cosmos much quicker, colonise other worlds, go all sci-fi on our collective ass.

If we fail, and the Sol system gets sucked into a black hole, well at least we would have rid the universe of 'The Only Way Is Essex'

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Hawking radiation would destroy anything inside the bubble.
http://prd.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v79/i12/e124017

 
   
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Hawking radiation would destroy anything inside the bubble.
http://prd.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v79/i12/e124017

Details shmetails.

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I think Ion Propulsion is much more feasible in the longish term.

Once we run out of room in the Solar System is when we'll actually need interstellar travel.

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Ion Propulsion doesn't get you going faster than light though, so it's still not going to get us very far in astronomical terms.

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Who cares, we won't run out of space in our solar system for quite a long time yet. Ion Drives will be more the enough for intersystem travel.

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You've gotta look at the big picture, son!

I'm not interested in some intersystem puddle-jumper! I need to get to some extragalactic M-Class Planets and build vacation homes!

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I remember that guy from a Star Trek special eight or nine years ago. Guess he's gaining a little steam.

   
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I dunno... faster than light speed seems dodgy...

Haven't you SEEN the movie Event Horizon!

Some scary gak there!

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 whembly wrote:
I dunno... faster than light speed seems dodgy...

Haven't you SEEN the movie Event Horizon!


I kept waiting for the Grey Knights to show up...

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 Monster Rain wrote:
 whembly wrote:
I dunno... faster than light speed seems dodgy...

Haven't you SEEN the movie Event Horizon!


I kept waiting for the Grey Knights to show up...

LOL!

If Kevin Smith directed that, it could've happen!

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 Manchu wrote:
And let's not forget, a football shaped spaceship is lame.


What sort of football?

This guy is Mexican, but its reported on an American news service, so are we talking soccer or grid iron here? I'd hate to see someone get contracted to make a football shaped spaceship and get the brief wrong.

It'd be like that fuckup with centimetres and inches all over again.

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You've gotta look at the big picture, son!

I'm not interested in some intersystem puddle-jumper! I need to get to some extragalactic M-Class Planets and build vacation homes!


Indeed, the most vicious predatory species in the galaxy needs to be unleashed upon said galaxy. I needs to commence some Vulcan/Romulan/Borg/Shadows/Membari/Klingons shaking in their boots as the Great Shadow is unleashed MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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