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Funny, when another country issues arrest warrants for US citizens using free speech in my country to make a stupid trailer, I tend to get a little riled about it.

Why? It's not like they can do anything about it. You never cared before about show trials, hell you defended the Pussy Riot trial like a Russian nationalist and have ignored them every time they've happened in China or North Korea.

Thats your issue, not mine. I didn't bring Obama into it.

You've expressed your dissatisfaction with American foreign policy leadership in every thread concerning the subject matter this and last week. The only reason you didn't bring Obama or the Democrats up is because I got in here too early for it.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

Funny, when another country issues arrest warrants for US citizens using free speech in my country to make a stupid trailer, I tend to get a little riled about it.

Why? It's not like they can do anything about it. You never cared before about show trials, hell you defended the Pussy Riot trial like a Russian nationalist and have ignored them every time they've happened in China or North Korea.

Thats your issue, not mine. I didn't bring Obama into it.

You've expressed your dissatisfaction with American foreign policy leadership in every thread concerning the subject matter this week. The only reason you didn't bring Obama or the Democrats up is because I got in here too early for it.

You seem to be having a significant problem in separating US citizens from foreign nationals.
PR trial: those were Russian nationals in their own country.
This: US citizens in the US.
Why do you think its a show trial? the Egyptian embassy has alredy been directed to pursue legal action in civil courts against them here. Thats serious gak if you're Joe Blow.

 Frazzled wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

Funny, when another country issues arrest warrants for US citizens using free speech in my country to make a stupid trailer, I tend to get a little riled about it.

Why? It's not like they can do anything about it. You never cared before about show trials, hell you defended the Pussy Riot trial like a Russian nationalist and have ignored them every time they've happened in China or North Korea.

Thats your issue, not mine. I didn't bring Obama into it.

You've expressed your dissatisfaction with American foreign policy leadership in every thread concerning the subject matter this week. The only reason you didn't bring Obama or the Democrats up is because I got in here too early for it.

You seem to be having a significant problem in separating US citizens from foreign nationals.
PR trial: those were Russian nationals in their own country.
This: US citizens in the US.

If you want me to bring up faux trials in china and north korea with U.S. defendants I could probably throw a bottle into the ocean and have it come back with a URL about one. I bring up Pussy riot to show that your view is predominantly nationalist and based in national politics rather than any sort of defense of free speech (since this doesn't impugn American free speech in any way and you've proven time and time again that you don't care about free speech as a universal concept).

Why do you think its a show trial? the Egyptian embassy has alredy been directed to pursue legal action in civil courts against them here. Thats serious gak if you're Joe Blow.

Because the suits will be thrown out immediately or will be politically blocked without ever seeing the light of day. It's meaningless and you know it.

 ShumaGorath wrote:
What is their military not doing? It is the strongest counter the country has to it's current majority Brotherhood political leadership. Do you want them to fire on their own people? Egypt is the country where no one died and a flag got replaced. Would you have them start gunning down Egyptian protesters a year after a massive regime change? Would you prefer that Egypt go back into civil war? We backed Mubarak for thirty years, pulling out now over a harmless protest and fake trial and causing a massive schism in the Egyptian military would only serve the cause of fundamentalist extremism in the Mideast and would paint an even large target on us (one that honestly, we would deserve). What's in Americas best interest is to treat these protests without getting it's rankles up because some people say mean things. Our foreign policy is already muddled enough with our own regime changes without it turning into a highschool drama club.

I understand you'd be perfectly fine with an angry mob breaking into your home or business so long as it turned out nobody got hurt, but downplaying the significance of an embassy breach is, frankly, a little ludicrous.

As far as 'serving the cause of fundamentalist extremism' I have to say that I may be beyond caring at this point. We've come up with no solutions to effectively NOT serve the cause of fundamentalist extremism. Engagement does not work. Isolationism does not work.

Fundamentalist extremism is just too profitable for a fledgling government to shy away from, at least when we think billions in aid is the only way to convince them to shy away from it. Quite a predicament.

1. AGAIN PR is a Russian group in Russia. My defense of the Bill of Rights is focused on the the same people its supposed to protect - people in the United States. How are you not getting that?

2. You've obviously not been sued. Costs defending the suit will be significant, even if its poured out. Contrary to hyperbole frivolous suits are almost never just poured out.

I understand you'd be perfectly fine with an angry mob breaking into your home or business so long as it turned out nobody got hurt, but downplaying the significance of an embassy breach is, frankly, a little ludicrous.

So is downplaying the killing of dozens of civilians a week through drone strikes or funding Hosni Mubarak, a Tyrannical Dictator that killed thousands and had tens of thousands jailed. I see people around here doing that constantly and acting like we're innocent little children who the big mean brown dudes just want to destroy. An embassy having it's windows kicked in is meaningless, just put new windows in. Will it cost a few thousand dollars? Sure. It's not like that hasn't gone up the nose of our contractors over stupider ventures with less return for the last 10 years anyway.

Did those windows have feelings? Lives? No? Get over it than. We're supposed to be a tough country, not a bunch of kittens knocked over when our box is tipped a smidge.

As far as 'serving the cause of fundamentalist extremism' I have to say that I may be beyond caring at this point. We've come up with no solutions to effectively NOT serve the cause of fundamentalist extremism. Engagement does not work. Isolationism does not work.

Well you could try diplomacy. A novel concept that isn't served by either bombing gak in post revolution egypt or running away, since it relies on consistent and dogged engagement. Realistically you're supposed to do all three and not act like Afghanistan and Egypt are the same place with the same people who have the same problem with us. Cutting aid in Egypt over this serves nothing and actively harms our interests abroad.

US military already backing off training with the Afghans already to avoid getting "green on blue" killed. At this point the riots probaly have to run its course. Question though is how long its going to last. Any statements now from the US is going to get twisted among the regular masses.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

I understand you'd be perfectly fine with an angry mob breaking into your home or business so long as it turned out nobody got hurt, but downplaying the significance of an embassy breach is, frankly, a little ludicrous.

So is downplaying the killing of dozens of civilians a week through drone strikes or funding Hosni Mubarak, a Tyrannical Dictator that killed thousands and had tens of thousands jailed. I see people around here doing that constantly and acting like we're innocent little children who the big mean brown dudes just want to destroy. An embassy having it's windows kicked in is meaningless, just put new windows in. Will it cost a few thousand dollars? Sure. It's not like that hasn't gone up the nose of our contractors over stupider ventures with less return for the last 10 years anyway.

Did those windows have feelings? Lives? No? Get over it than. We're supposed to be a tough country, not a bunch of kittens knocked over when our box is tipped a smidge.

None of that has anything to do with the First Amendment in the US.

As far as 'serving the cause of fundamentalist extremism' I have to say that I may be beyond caring at this point. We've come up with no solutions to effectively NOT serve the cause of fundamentalist extremism. Engagement does not work. Isolationism does not work.

Well you could try diplomacy. A novel concept that isn't served by either bombing gak in post revolution egypt or running away, since it relies on consistent and dogged engagement. Realistically you're supposed to do all three and not act like Afghanistan and Egypt are the same place with the same people who have the same problem with us. Cutting aid in Egypt over this serves nothing and actively harms our interests abroad.

Cutting aid is part of diplomacy. What diplomacy would you do in this instance?

At least one aim of giving aid is to create diplomatic leverage based on the premise that it can be cut.

 Frazzled wrote:
1. AGAIN PR is a Russian group in Russia. My defense of the Bill of Rights is focused on the the same people its supposed to protect - people in the United States. How are you not getting that?

I get it. I told you directly that I get it. I'm establishing that you don't give a gak about egypt or it's people and since their shouting has nothing to do with our free speech that establishes that all you're trying to do is make a cheap anti democrat political point like you did in the last three threads.

2. You've obviously not been sued. Costs defending the suit will be significant, even if its poured out. Contrary to hyperbole frivolous suits are almost never just poured out.

Because you have so much experience in international lawsuits that are against international law and which are being pursued by political institutions that haven't existed for a year and have almost no experience or say in anything. Clearly this is exactly something you know a lot about and can speak on as if you've worked it . You remember when Iran did the same thing? You laughed about it. That wasn't an election year though, so you didn't have a team to bat for at every possible opportunity.


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 Frazzled wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

I understand you'd be perfectly fine with an angry mob breaking into your home or business so long as it turned out nobody got hurt, but downplaying the significance of an embassy breach is, frankly, a little ludicrous.

So is downplaying the killing of dozens of civilians a week through drone strikes or funding Hosni Mubarak, a Tyrannical Dictator that killed thousands and had tens of thousands jailed. I see people around here doing that constantly and acting like we're innocent little children who the big mean brown dudes just want to destroy. An embassy having it's windows kicked in is meaningless, just put new windows in. Will it cost a few thousand dollars? Sure. It's not like that hasn't gone up the nose of our contractors over stupider ventures with less return for the last 10 years anyway.

Did those windows have feelings? Lives? No? Get over it than. We're supposed to be a tough country, not a bunch of kittens knocked over when our box is tipped a smidge.

None of that has anything to do with the First Amendment in the US.

As far as 'serving the cause of fundamentalist extremism' I have to say that I may be beyond caring at this point. We've come up with no solutions to effectively NOT serve the cause of fundamentalist extremism. Engagement does not work. Isolationism does not work.

Well you could try diplomacy. A novel concept that isn't served by either bombing gak in post revolution egypt or running away, since it relies on consistent and dogged engagement. Realistically you're supposed to do all three and not act like Afghanistan and Egypt are the same place with the same people who have the same problem with us. Cutting aid in Egypt over this serves nothing and actively harms our interests abroad.

Cutting aid is part of diplomacy. What diplomacy would you do in this instance?

let the storm in a teacup blow over and don't cut aid making it look like we're pulling out of Egypt because our pocket dictator is gone. That kind of thing gets people to hate you for generations.


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 Manchu wrote:
At least one aim of giving aid is to create diplomatic leverage based on the premise that it can be cut.

And you have to use that leverage wisely, not suddenly cut aid in response to a scenario that wasn't previously outlined or agreed upon and which the other party had nothing to do with.

It is certainly true that totally cutting aid is not in any sense proportional to the Egyptian government's saber rattling even if their attitude is more than mere puffery.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
1. AGAIN PR is a Russian group in Russia. My defense of the Bill of Rights is focused on the the same people its supposed to protect - people in the United States. How are you not getting that?

I get it. I told you directly that I get it. I'm establishing that you don't give a gak about egypt or it's people and since their shouting has nothing to do with our free speech that establishes that all you're trying to do is make a cheap anti democrat political point like you did in the last three threads.

Lets try it yet again. I don't care much about their protest. I care that the Egyptian Government issued arrest warrants for US citizens, in the US, for speech performed in the US.

2. You've obviously not been sued. Costs defending the suit will be significant, even if its poured out. Contrary to hyperbole frivolous suits are almost never just poured out.

Because you have so much experience in international lawsuits that are against international law and which are being pursued by political institutions that haven't existed for a year and have almost no experience or say in anything. Clearly this is exactly something you know a lot about and can speak on as if you've worked it . You remember when Iran did the same thing? You laughed about it. That wasn't an election year though, so you didn't have a team to bat for at every possible opportunity.

I have however been sued on multple occasions. Its not an international lawsuit if they sue private citizens in the US under US claims.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

So is downplaying the killing of dozens of civilians a week through drone strikes or funding Hosni Mubarak, a Tyrannical Dictator that killed thousands and had tens of thousands jailed. I see people around here doing that constantly and acting like we're innocent little children who the big mean brown dudes just want to destroy. An embassy having it's windows kicked in is meaningless, just put new windows in. Will it cost a few thousand dollars? Sure. It's not like that hasn't gone up the nose of our contractors over stupider ventures with less return for the last 10 years anyway.

Tell you what, tell bad guys to stop living and traveling with civilians, and get other countries to stop allowing dictators to come to power, and your complaints will disappear. We don't control every aspect of the world we live in. We work with what we have.

Did those windows have feelings? Lives? No? Get over it than. We're supposed to be a tough country, not a bunch of kittens knocked over when our box is tipped a smidge.

Here's the part you seem to be missing: the embassy attack in Egypt ended with no American lives lost. The consulate attack in Libya did not. Prior to one turning out one way and one turning out the other, I would imagine, based on somewhat similar past experience, that nobody on the inside would have been able to tell for certain which way it would go. You think we should just let this stuff happen because it's just property being damaged and flags being torn down? I would say that is a myopic but understandable viewpoint, if we didn't have evidence that they can, in fact, result in the loss of American lives.

Well you could try diplomacy. A novel concept that isn't served by either bombing gak in post revolution egypt or running away, since it relies on consistent and dogged engagement. Realistically you're supposed to do all three and not act like Afghanistan and Egypt are the same place with the same people who have the same problem with us. Cutting aid in Egypt over this serves nothing and actively harms our interests abroad.

You're more than welcome to go attempt to negotiate with fundamentalist extremists if you like. I'd get your affairs in order, first.

 ShumaGorath wrote:
And you have to use that leverage wisely, not suddenly cut aid in response to a scenario that wasn't previously outlined or agreed upon and which the other party had nothing to do with.

Dude the other party is the Egyptian government. The Egyptian government is the one issuing the arrest warrants. the Egyptian government is the one looking to separately pursue legal action in the US against private citiens performing rpotected activities under the US Constitution. Cutting aid to that government is absolutely directly on point.

I have however been sued on multple occasions. Its not an international lawsuit if they sue private citizens in the US under US claims.

It is when it's being pursued by a new government without normalized diplomatic ties and the state department knows about it and doesn't care for it. This will never make it to court, just as the Iranian suit that's also happening right now won't. Just like the Pakistani one didn't last year, just like the Iranian one two years before. This is a joke. Pretending it will even reach our justice system is ludicrous.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

I have however been sued on multple occasions. Its not an international lawsuit if they sue private citizens in the US under US claims.

It is when it's being pursued by a new government without normalized diplomatic ties and the state department knows about it and doesn't care for it. This will never make it to court, just as the Iranian suit that's also happening right now won't. Just like the Pakistani one didn't last year, just like the Iranian one two years before.

What suits are you talking about?

Here's the part you seem to be missing: the embassy attack in Egypt ended with no American lives lost. The consulate attack in Libya did not. Prior to one turning out one way and one turning out the other, I would imagine, based on somewhat similar past experience, that nobody on the inside would have been able to tell for certain which way it would go. You think we should just let this stuff happen because it's just property being damaged and flags being torn down? I would say that is a myopic but understandable viewpoint, if we didn't have evidence that they can, in fact, result in the loss of American lives.

Stop conflating the fact that I don't think we should act like idiots with our foreign policy with a belief that I think it's ok that we got attacked. I think it's irrelevant because it is unless people like you and Frazzled decide to do something rash and self destructive about it. It's irrelevant because our interests were not realistically harmed in a meaningful fashion and nothing permanent was lost.

You're more than welcome to go attempt to negotiate with fundamentalist extremists if you like. I'd get your affairs in order, first.

I talk to conservatives on Dakka regularly and I'm still standing, I think negotiating with the Egyptian government's pretty safe. To date no American has died from doing it.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

Here's the part you seem to be missing: the embassy attack in Egypt ended with no American lives lost. The consulate attack in Libya did not. Prior to one turning out one way and one turning out the other, I would imagine, based on somewhat similar past experience, that nobody on the inside would have been able to tell for certain which way it would go. You think we should just let this stuff happen because it's just property being damaged and flags being torn down? I would say that is a myopic but understandable viewpoint, if we didn't have evidence that they can, in fact, result in the loss of American lives.

Stop conflating the fact that I don't think we should act like idiots with our foreign policy with a belief that I think it's ok that we got attacked. I think it's irrelevant because it is unless people like you and Frazzled decide to do something rash and self destructive about it. It's irrelevant because our interests were not realistically harmed in a meaningful fashion and nothing permanent was lost.

You're more than welcome to go attempt to negotiate with fundamentalist extremists if you like. I'd get your affairs in order, first.

I talk to conservatives on Dakka regularly and I'm still standing, I think negotiating with the Egyptian government's pretty safe. To date no American has died from doing it.

You keep talking like I give a gak about the protests.

 Frazzled wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

I have however been sued on multple occasions. Its not an international lawsuit if they sue private citizens in the US under US claims.

It is when it's being pursued by a new government without normalized diplomatic ties and the state department knows about it and doesn't care for it. This will never make it to court, just as the Iranian suit that's also happening right now won't. Just like the Pakistani one didn't last year, just like the Iranian one two years before.

What suits are you talking about?

https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+suing+united+states&sugexp=chrome,mod=3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=iran+suing+united+states&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsu&psj=1&ei=3eBYUOuVIYnA0QGk94HQBA&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=4ab1064d3b47aee5&biw=1600&bih=809
https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+suing+united+states&sugexp=chrome,mod=3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=pakistan+suing+united+states&oq=pakistan+suing+united+states&gs_l=serp.3...189141.190218.1.190478.8.8.0.0.0.1.114.692.7j1.8.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.6ZHOrYuPzXo&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=4ab1064d3b47aee5&biw=1600&bih=809

Iran has sued us a lot in a lot of ways. It's mostly a political ploy to calm the home audience though and the suits never go anywhere or make it to court. Same with Pakistan. Same with most mideastern/north african/south asian countries, really. This gak happens all the time.


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 Frazzled wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

Here's the part you seem to be missing: the embassy attack in Egypt ended with no American lives lost. The consulate attack in Libya did not. Prior to one turning out one way and one turning out the other, I would imagine, based on somewhat similar past experience, that nobody on the inside would have been able to tell for certain which way it would go. You think we should just let this stuff happen because it's just property being damaged and flags being torn down? I would say that is a myopic but understandable viewpoint, if we didn't have evidence that they can, in fact, result in the loss of American lives.

Stop conflating the fact that I don't think we should act like idiots with our foreign policy with a belief that I think it's ok that we got attacked. I think it's irrelevant because it is unless people like you and Frazzled decide to do something rash and self destructive about it. It's irrelevant because our interests were not realistically harmed in a meaningful fashion and nothing permanent was lost.

You're more than welcome to go attempt to negotiate with fundamentalist extremists if you like. I'd get your affairs in order, first.

I talk to conservatives on Dakka regularly and I'm still standing, I think negotiating with the Egyptian government's pretty safe. To date no American has died from doing it.

You keep talking like I give a gak about the protests.

Those were responses to seaward.

 Frazzled wrote:

You keep talking like I give a gak about the protests.

I'm more interested in why you care about the lawsuits.

Well....if one of them is still in Egypt....

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

You keep talking like I give a gak about the protests.

I'm more interested in why you care about the lawsuits.

Two separate issues:
1) arrest warrants
2) suits

Suits: even if frivolous thats a substantial legal expense for ordinary citizens, who are using their right to free speech under the US Constitution. Does it have merit, likely not (depending on what suing for). Do they have standing? At this point no. But that has to be adjudicated and a froeign power has substantially higher deep pockets than Joe Blow. This is a relatively scary concept.


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 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

I have however been sued on multple occasions. Its not an international lawsuit if they sue private citizens in the US under US claims.

It is when it's being pursued by a new government without normalized diplomatic ties and the state department knows about it and doesn't care for it. This will never make it to court, just as the Iranian suit that's also happening right now won't. Just like the Pakistani one didn't last year, just like the Iranian one two years before.

What suits are you talking about?

https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+suing+united+states&sugexp=chrome,mod=3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=iran+suing+united+states&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnsu&psj=1&ei=3eBYUOuVIYnA0QGk94HQBA&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=4ab1064d3b47aee5&biw=1600&bih=809
https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+suing+united+states&sugexp=chrome,mod=3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=pakistan+suing+united+states&oq=pakistan+suing+united+states&gs_l=serp.3...189141.190218.1.190478.8.8.0.0.0.1.114.692.7j1.8.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.6ZHOrYuPzXo&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=4ab1064d3b47aee5&biw=1600&bih=809

Iran has sued us a lot in a lot of ways. It's mostly a political ploy to calm the home audience though and the suits never go anywhere or make it to court. Same with Pakistan. Same with most mideastern/north african/south asian countries, really. This gak happens all the time.


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 Frazzled wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

Here's the part you seem to be missing: the embassy attack in Egypt ended with no American lives lost. The consulate attack in Libya did not. Prior to one turning out one way and one turning out the other, I would imagine, based on somewhat similar past experience, that nobody on the inside would have been able to tell for certain which way it would go. You think we should just let this stuff happen because it's just property being damaged and flags being torn down? I would say that is a myopic but understandable viewpoint, if we didn't have evidence that they can, in fact, result in the loss of American lives.

Stop conflating the fact that I don't think we should act like idiots with our foreign policy with a belief that I think it's ok that we got attacked. I think it's irrelevant because it is unless people like you and Frazzled decide to do something rash and self destructive about it. It's irrelevant because our interests were not realistically harmed in a meaningful fashion and nothing permanent was lost.

You're more than welcome to go attempt to negotiate with fundamentalist extremists if you like. I'd get your affairs in order, first.

I talk to conservatives on Dakka regularly and I'm still standing, I think negotiating with the Egyptian government's pretty safe. To date no American has died from doing it.

You keep talking like I give a gak about the protests.

Those were responses to seaward.

Those were suits by Iran vs. the US, not a government against individual US citizens. Big damn difference.
And you stated he and Frazzled so you were including me.

 Frazzled wrote:

Two separate issues:

I meant the arrest warrants. I scanned the thread from my phone.

Not to add fuel to the Fire. We do have a extradition agreement with Egypt.......

 Jihadin wrote:
Not to add fuel to the Fire. We do have a extradition agreement with Egypt.......

The Egyptian military or the current elected Egyptian government? We had one with Mubaraks regime, but this is not the same government and agreements like those are usually invalidated by revolutionary regime changes.

Those were suits by Iran vs. the US, not a government against individual US citizens. Big damn difference.
And you stated he and Frazzled so you were including me.

Nah, about half of them weren't. You had to scroll back past the first page of Iranian suits though, since one of their wacky suits is a current issue. Our banks "are being sued" and Pakistan is suing individuals in the American government for drone strikes. Being thorough is your friend.

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Two separate issues:

I meant the arrest warrants. I scanned the thread from my phone.

See jihadin's post. However there would be a hearing and I think it would be quashed. Plus the Egyptians have to pursue extradition. That would and should get messy very fast.

Just the concept of an arrest warrant for US citizens exercising their right to free speech to make a craptacular film in the US puts me off completely. What if Shuma goes off on the intranets and the government of Outer Botslavia get PO'd tracks his IP and pursues action in the US? Seriously?

 Frazzled wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Two separate issues:

I meant the arrest warrants. I scanned the thread from my phone.

See jihadin's post. However there would be a hearing and I think it would be quashed. Plus the Egyptians have to pursue extradition. That would and should get messy very fast.

Just the concept of an arrest warrant for US citizens exercising their right to free speech to make a craptacular film in the US puts me off completely. What if Shuma goes off on the intranets and the government of Outer Botslavia get PO'd tracks his IP and pursues action in the US? Seriously?

I wouldn't appear in court since the trial wouldn't ever have a date and would vanish after a few weeks. I'd wonder how they got my IP through Dakka though...

 ShumaGorath wrote:
Nah, about half of them weren't. You had to scroll back past the first page of Iranian suits though, since one of their wacky suits is a current issue. Our banks "are being sued" and Pakistan is suing individuals in the American government for drone strikes. Being thorough is your friend.

I don't know about the bank suit. Individuals in the US govenrment would likely be represented by the US government itself however, especially if those actions while in the enmploy of said government. I don't see the US government giving much of a crap about defneding Joe Shmo however and might actively avoid it for PC or poltiical purposes.


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 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 dogma wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Two separate issues:

I meant the arrest warrants. I scanned the thread from my phone.

See jihadin's post. However there would be a hearing and I think it would be quashed. Plus the Egyptians have to pursue extradition. That would and should get messy very fast.

Just the concept of an arrest warrant for US citizens exercising their right to free speech to make a craptacular film in the US puts me off completely. What if Shuma goes off on the intranets and the government of Outer Botslavia get PO'd tracks his IP and pursues action in the US? Seriously?

I wouldn't appear in court since the trial wouldn't ever have a date and would vanish after a few weeks. I'd wonder how they got my IP through Dakka though...

And you know this in knowledge from what again?

I don't know about the bank suit. Individuals in the US govenrment would likely be represented by the US government itself however, especially if those actions while in the enmploy of said government. I don't see the US government giving much of a crap about defneding Joe Shmo however and might actively avoid it for PC or poltiical purposes.

Certainly possible, cross border suits when legitimate certainly go through all the time. This is a huge story though and it's going to piss off the state department who are going to block it.

And you know this in knowledge from what again?

The fact that the scenario is laughable and this kind of thing never ends up happening. If there was precedent for this occurring and being meaningful it would be part of the narrative of all the stories covering this. It is't. I don't know that there isn't an elephant outside waiting to take me on a magical adventure but I'm not gonna check out the window because that'd be ridiculous too.