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And what IA books have for cavalry? I saw some headless elethants in Tallarns

 Freakazoitt wrote:
And what IA books have for cavalry? I saw some headless elethants in Tallarns

The Tallarn ones are even worse. They (as of the pdf update which has been removed until they re-write it for 6th) get T4 and two wounds each, but at double the cost. So for the same points you get the same wounds, but trade half your attacks to get T4, and you still have no save. You still can't charge out of reserve, you still only have AP 3 weapons, and you still have very little defense against incoming fire.

The Krieg ones are awful. You pay a ton of extra points for skilled rider (only useful if you go through terrain), WS 4 (good) and an amazing 6+ invulnerable save. Oh, and you can only get them in the specific Krieg army list.

@Ailaros - That would be awesome It reminds me of a smaller scale wargame one of my friends ran where one side took a fortress filled with heavily armed, power armoured troops and his opponent took a vast hode of fanatics with satchel charges

@Peregrine - Why wouldn't you want a tactical challenge? In my view its the point behind the game. The unit still performs the role it always did so there is no desparation. Also with the changes to firing from transports do Rough Riders not get Guard their most mobile special weapons?

 Flinty wrote:
@Peregrine - Why wouldn't you want a tactical challenge? In my view its the point behind the game.

The tactical challenge is that guy across the table doing his best to beat me. I don't see any reason to add bad units to my list just for the sake of making it harder to win.

The unit still performs the role it always did so there is no desparation.

Except it doesn't, because its role was to be a counter-charge threat to assault units that want to assault you. You could hide it in reserve and hit anything within 18+D6" of your table edge (IOW, anything in your opponent's army) immediately and expect to wipe out even tough units like terminators, FNP BA, etc. Now you can't protect it in reserve so it just gets shot up and dies, you even can't keep it protected in cover very well, and even if it does get in range your lances are only AP 2. It was a situational role in the past, and now it can't even do that anymore.

Also with the changes to firing from transports do Rough Riders not get Guard their most mobile special weapons?

I assume you mean disembarking, not shooting from fire points?

And no, they aren't the most mobile, because it's only two BS 3 weapons, and on a unit that will have a hard time protecting them. Deep striking storm troopers do the job better, while CCS and veteran squads bring more firepower with decent mobility.

not to mention a full squad costs almost like a flyer and sits in the same army slot.

Bring marine allies with biker or thunder wolf cavalry mounted ICs.
They are not amazing but cheap wounds.

Personally MotF on a bike with a big gun. Though I guess I should think about MotF with his harness for cc goodness.

So would I be better off looking for my answer to enemy CC outside of the IG codex? Should I look for calvary or bikes like my original intention, or bring something else?