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I'm pretty sure ork and tyranid forces had fought greater daemons before but the question is how could they defeat them or even just one?

The imperium uses grey knights to destroy them since they have powerful holy magic attacks.
The Eldar has powerful magics too but also they're own version of a demigod, the avatar.
The Necron has stuff like time travel, orrey, world engines etc. so its not hard to imagine them defeating greater daemons.

But i just don't see the orks and tyranids defeating greater daemons, even one. Not even if they swarm them. I mean alien insects/locust and primitive green mutant defeating something that was spawn from pure chaos and power. daemonic and fearsome, it doesn't seem likely.

Orks kill deamons because they are badass. It is that simple.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tuska#.UFr-WFGweNE

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork_Quotes#.UFr-8FGweNE

Travellin' through space is boring. Well, boring unless da hulk yer on is full of dem gene-sneakers, or a base fer da chaos lads wiv da spikes, or already has Boyz on it. Or if humie lootas come callin', that's always good fer a bit a sport. Or unless yer have a mutiny or two to pass da time, or unless strange fings start happenin', which dey usually do when yer out in da warp. One time we had some bloody great ugly fing come straight out of Weird Lugwort's 'ed! It butchered half da lads, that was pretty entertainin'. Come ter fink of it, space is a pretty good larf. And that's before yer find yerself a nice world ta crush!

The Orks chop it up good an' proppa.

Well, for tyranids, I dare say that the bigger creatures (carnifexes, trygons and the like) can be a match even for greater demons, if they are in high enough numbers (remember that a dozen 'fexes were able to take down an Eldar Avatar), expecially if backed with warp powers (Hive tyrants with bone swords). That's without adding in bio-titans or a few zooantropes' warp lances.
As for Orks, well, a powerful warboss (like Ghazzy) could match some greater demons, at least in raw strenght; with some manz as backup, I'm not completely sure of a demonic victory.
In addition, oddboyz are powerful (if temperamental and unreliable) psykers in their own respect, and a high enough number of them is strong enough to launch attacks of battleship weapons level of destruction (if you accept RT rpg as a source).
Not to mention more mundane sources of firepower: remember, if you pump enough shots with a high enough strenght in it, you should be able to disrupt even a GD material form, banishing it.

Well bar sheer numbers both Orks and Tyranids have titans which would be more than capable of killing a greater daemon.

This and the second example which illuknisaa posted, the first however is an example of an Ork being toyed with by a greater daemon, which is a likely result .

Orks have plenty of technology and muscle to take down greater demons and the like though i won't lie it's a struggle in some ways too.

Deff Dreds, Killa Kanz, Mega Nobz, Tankbustas, Big Gunz, Looted Wagons + boom guns, Deffgunz and the ALMIGHTY POWERKLAW.

In my imagination, these monsterous creatures aren't considered any more dangerous than a gunline of infantrymen before a close combat. It's just something that is overwhelmed with tank hammers, deff rollas, kannons ect until it is a quivering mass of pain which I assume the boyz just stomp up finishing it with millions of tiny bug bites.

Demons are more or less the same idea but I do suspect Weirdboyz would prove powerful tools against them with fluff. '

When all else fails throw the boss at it!

Dropping space rocks on them seems to work for the Orks, ask Kyras.

Well greater daemons aren't unkillable by regular troops. They are extraordinarily strong, but if you throw enough people at them, they will eventually die. It's not like they are invincible to everything that would kill a normal person

 illuknisaa wrote:
Orks kill deamons because they are badass. It is that simple.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tuska#.UFr-WFGweNE

 caminacambob wrote:

This and the second example which illuknisaa posted, the first however is an example of an Ork being toyed with by a greater daemon, which is a likely result .

Oi you oomie mocking Great Boss Tuska? Me tinks you oomie aint no nothing about figthing and winnin'. If we win we win, if we die fighting it doesn't count and if we run fer it we come back fer annuver go, get that to yer stoopid ead' oomie.

And da story goes Boss Tuska had dem deamons invadin his hulk and this real big fella fought Tuska and almost killed him. Thats wot gave Tuska the Deamon Killa idea to go to dat "eye of entertainin" you oomies iz so scared bout. Ha! oomies scared like grotz! dats cause you oomies are so pink and soft.

So Tuska and his ladz go figthing in lotz of deamon worlds. Last me heard it waz....lemme tink on fer a drops...1, 2, 3, 4, 5, lots.Yeah it waz lots of worlds Tuska and his ladz plundered. Lotz of big deamons to kill fer Tuska.


Also why I like Tuska is because of this:

 illuknisaa wrote:

 caminacambob wrote:

This and the second example which illuknisaa posted, the first however is an example of an Ork being toyed with by a greater daemon, which is a likely result .

Oi you oomie mocking Great Boss Tuska? Me tinks you oomie aint no nothing about figthing and winnin'. If we win we win, if we die fighting it doesn't count and if we run fer it we come back fer annuver go, get that to yer stoopid ead' oomie.

And da story goes Boss Tuska had dem deamons invadin his hulk and this real big fella fought Tuska and almost killed him. Thats wot gave Tuska the Deamon Killa idea to go to dat "eye of entertainin" you oomies iz so scared bout. Ha! oomies scared like grotz! dats cause you oomies are so pink and soft.

So Tuska and his ladz go figthing in lotz of deamon worlds. Last me heard it waz....lemme tink on fer a drops...1, 2, 3, 4, 5, lots.Yeah it waz lots of worlds Tuska and his ladz plundered. Lotz of big deamons to kill fer Tuska.


Also why I like Tuska is because of this:

Spoiler:

http://translate.google.fi/?hl=fi&tab=wT#fi/en/tuska

I don't even think of this as a traditional loss, a warband of orks just decides to go right up to cadia pucker the IOM's collective butts, fight there as a warm up and decides to leave going into the warp with no supply lines as deep as they could to find a glorious death and nothing else. Unlike other armies they aren't corrupted by the sights they see such as temptresses of lust, glittering mazes of Tzetcheh (sp?), and ultimately it took going to a Blood princes' planet with hardly ANY orks left that they met their end after a Odysseus style story of kicking the warp's butt until then. It would be like facing Dr. Wily in megaman and never replenishing your E-tanks. Its impressive to me is all that Tuska yes may have been toyed with but from my understanding he had less than 100 boyz.

By beating the ever-loving gak out of them.

In the lore, Ork Warbosses give Greater Daemons a run for their money when it comes to pure combat prowess anyway.

Haha, illuknisaa that was hilarious, I am sorry that I ever doubted da boyz.

However, Big Mek Wurrzog, the OP asked about defeating a greater daemon, not fighting through the warp to get to one, so the Orks did not defeat one on the demon world. Saying it wasn't a fair fight because you lost boyz on the way doesn't change anything.

By applying generous amounts of brute force. Followed by same amount of Dakka for orks.

For Nids I think massive amounts of nomnomnom dose the trick really. Since it seems to work on anything else from Eldar to Space Marines

 caminacambob wrote:
Haha, illuknisaa that was hilarious, I am sorry that I ever doubted da boyz.

However, Big Mek Wurrzog, the OP asked about defeating a greater daemon, not fighting through the warp to get to one, so the Orks did not defeat one on the demon world. Saying it wasn't a fair fight because you lost boyz on the way doesn't change anything.

I don't think that is a fair statement. Not even grey knights would be able to defeat a greater demon / demon prince on a demon world, in the warp. Those planets and the laws of physics surrounding them are completely under the whims of the demon in charge. Further actually fighting a demon in the warp is essentially impossible because they can constantly re-spawn.

However in the physical realm, the way to defeat a greater demon is to just swarm / unload so much into it that it eventually destabilizes. Of course if they have an active link directly to the warp, then nothing can defeat them until that link is severed. I am pretty sure orks will get round to severing that link in their usual manner of doing things while they swarm the demon.

 caminacambob wrote:
Haha, illuknisaa that was hilarious, I am sorry that I ever doubted da boyz.

However, Big Mek Wurrzog, the OP asked about defeating a greater daemon, not fighting through the warp to get to one, so the Orks did not defeat one on the demon world. Saying it wasn't a fair fight because you lost boyz on the way doesn't change anything.

It's simply stating it wasn't side on side fighting but rather a hard push aimlessly toward a planet with no resources. Which is literally one of the only ways to establish a victory over orks. Tuska wasn't smart persay but he was dead ard' I am fine with Orks losing to greater demons in fluff since they are such elusive creatures until they rip through the warp to attack with their hordes. Ultimately I would say it would fluff wise be best combated through Mechanized Orks namely Deff dreads and the like.

Again, it was completely fair. A dumb general who is rewarded with endless battles is still a dumb general. I would say 1v1 a warboss will probably lose but should he find himself with a propah group of boyz I think the tides are completely different.

One word... Stompa

 Melissia wrote:
In the lore, Ork Warbosses give Greater Daemons a run for their money when it comes to pure combat prowess anyway.

When?

And by hitting them hard enough. Greater Daemons are hardly invincible.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
In the lore, Ork Warbosses give Greater Daemons a run for their money when it comes to pure combat prowess anyway.

When?

And by hitting them hard enough. Greater Daemons are hardly invincible.

Technically so is Ghazzy, do you want to assume every codex doesn't boast that about themselves? Simply put their is nothing in the orkish race that they cannot handle since they are so spantaneous and dangerous i assure you and the OP that if you are going to say "Orks aren't capable" then you are making the fundamental mistake EVERY army makes about orks and that is that we are just simple chumps unable to contend with the problems of the universe in comparison to the other races.

We'll gladly allow you to think this though right before we rain down Roks from the sky, stompahs from the land and WAAAGH everywhere else

Ultimately greater demons are not comparable to titans (at least to my knowledge) even if they are this simply just means like every other army out there a greater demon is a measurable threat. But I recall greater demons being able to be used by chaos and there were nothing too impressive. I would say most reliably would be gunfire since the thing is so killy in close combat.

I dont' get it for orks. Orks defeat demons in the material world with sluggas and shootas. They dont' kill them off permanently, but why would they want to? After all, if the demons are permanently destroyed, then they don't get to fight them again.

If it were really an issue, they'd just get gork or mork to show up in the warp and swat them away.

Orks, simply use more Dakka and more choppa than usual.

Tyranids simply bring up more guys like Carnifexs to nom nom nom them.

 Ailaros wrote:
I dont' get it for orks. Orks defeat demons in the material world with sluggas and shootas. They dont' kill them off permanently, but why would they want to? After all, if the demons are permanently destroyed, then they don't get to fight them again.

If it were really an issue, they'd just get gork or mork to show up in the warp and swat them away.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
Technically so is Ghazzy, do you want to assume every codex doesn't boast that about themselves? Simply put their is nothing in the orkish race that they cannot handle since they are so spantaneous and dangerous i assure you and the OP that if you are going to say "Orks aren't capable" then you are making the fundamental mistake EVERY army makes about orks and that is that we are just simple chumps unable to contend with the problems of the universe in comparison to the other races.

We'll gladly allow you to think this though right before we rain down Roks from the sky, stompahs from the land and WAAAGH everywhere else

Ultimately greater demons are not comparable to titans (at least to my knowledge) even if they are this simply just means like every other army out there a greater demon is a measurable threat. But I recall greater demons being able to be used by chaos and there were nothing too impressive. I would say most reliably would be gunfire since the thing is so killy in close combat.

So I take it that you can't read?

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
Technically so is Ghazzy, do you want to assume every codex doesn't boast that about themselves? Simply put their is nothing in the orkish race that they cannot handle since they are so spantaneous and dangerous i assure you and the OP that if you are going to say "Orks aren't capable" then you are making the fundamental mistake EVERY army makes about orks and that is that we are just simple chumps unable to contend with the problems of the universe in comparison to the other races.

We'll gladly allow you to think this though right before we rain down Roks from the sky, stompahs from the land and WAAAGH everywhere else

Ultimately greater demons are not comparable to titans (at least to my knowledge) even if they are this simply just means like every other army out there a greater demon is a measurable threat. But I recall greater demons being able to be used by chaos and there were nothing too impressive. I would say most reliably would be gunfire since the thing is so killy in close combat.

So I take it that you can't read?

LOL misread yeah, love the sarcasm btw

 Void__Dragon wrote:
When?

There are warbosses that have single-handedly destroyed titans.

Do not.

EVER.

Doubt an Ork.

Ork Warbosses are 3m/9ft+ heavily muscled killing machines. The TT rules do not accurately represent them by any means. Outside of death there is no known limiting factor to their maximum size and strength. Theoretically they could beat anyone.

Hit them with things. Lots of things. Orkd

 Melissia wrote:
There are warbosses that have single-handedly destroyed titans.

Do not.

EVER.

Doubt an Ork.

I truly hope you are not referring to Wazdakka.

Nids have it easy.
Swarmlord is pretty much a daemon killing machine. (well, an anything killing machine)

I also expect that boneswords have similar effects on Daemons that Force weapons and Eldar witchblades do, which is to say pretty darn nasty. Additionally, Greater Daemons may be tough, but they're not immune to simply being torn limb from limb by a stampeding herd of Carnifexes, stepped on by a Heirophant, drowned in Hormagaunts, or blasted apart by Zoanthropes. Hive Tyrants also seem to be able to match most greater daemons in combat as well, if not outright slaughter them should they have boneswords. The Swarmlord itself also would likely make mincemeat out of most Greater Daemons and Daemon princes, as would the Doom of Malan'tai.

And again, Bluddflagg and his boys defeated the result of the merging of an Ascendant Azariah Kyras and the Daemon of the Maledictum; who with a fraction of it's power made Sindri vastly more powerful than a run of the mill daemon prince, and thus likely making Kyras the most powerful new Daemon Prince in centuries; by simply blasting and chopping at him before splattering his head with rocks dropped from space. Although to be fair, Kyras admitted that "his ascension was not yet complete."