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While watching Silver Bullet with the wife, she asked a pretty good "monster" question.

If you were paralyzed as a mortal, and THEN became a Vampire or a Werewolf, would you end up healing yourself?



My opinions are

Vampire


Werewolf




What are your opinions DAKKA?

It depends on the tradition for wolves.
Generally wolves were viewed as only being harmed by silver bullets, so that would be a negative.

I remember a book where one of the wolves was paralyzed as a human.

Depends on the tradition for both of them as far as I recall. In many a werewolf would be healed by the act of transforming and vampires would need to feed to heal.

Wasn't there some movie or book that had a werewolf in it that was confined to a wheelchair until he transformed?

 KingCracker wrote:
While watching Silver Bullet with the wife

Classic.

I'd probably be inclined to agree with you KC. But that's quite an odd situation... Interesting food for thought!

Probaly werewolf. I can still have normal or beasty sex...wait...is this a moral question to?

I think the answer would be yes, in both cases, while in monster form.

Vampire monster form is 'always on', and is generally regarded as being powered by negative energy... Old World mysticism doesn't really care about broken neural pathways.

Ditto the Werewolf, but moreso because transformation will change up everything. When you revert to human form you're still probably paralyzed.

 Jihadin wrote:
Probaly werewolf. I can still have normal or beasty sex...wait...is this a moral question to?

Erm........I think we are getting a little to close here

Werewolves have super healing, like Wolverine, so yeah the paralysis would be gone. You know, unless the pre-lycanthropic paralysis was caused by silver ... somehow.

But with vampires, you're stuck just as you were at death. So if you wake up of a night wanting a tattoo you don't have to worry about second guessing it the next night. But if you get turned when your legs don't work, well, them's the brakes.

I don't know about that. Didn't Claudia have plague when she was turned in Interview with the Vampire?

Given the incredible healing powers of both, I would say the paralysis would be gone.

In the case of a Vampire it may not actually be gone, but it may simply not effect you. Your vampire constitution simply ignores the fact you are paralyzed. Same logic behind how zombies can function without their head.

 Monster Rain wrote:
I don't know about that. Didn't Claudia have plague when she was turned in Interview with the Vampire?

She did, but thats a human afflicted disease. And again, Vampires are immune to that stuff, so it wouldnt affect her. Dammit Manchu.....now Im not so sure

 Manchu wrote:
Werewolves have super healing, like Wolverine, so yeah the paralysis would be gone. You know, unless the pre-lycanthropic paralysis was caused by silver ... somehow.

But with vampires, you're stuck just as you were at death. So if you wake up of a night wanting a tattoo you don't have to worry about second guessing it the next night. But if you get turned when your legs don't work, well, them's the brakes.

But when you revert back to human form would you then be paralyzed again? I haven't seen any werewolf films where the afflicted display any superhuman strength or healing whilst in original form, and you can apparently kill a werewolf in its human form like any other. So I think that no, your paralysis wouldn't be healed.

I agree with you about Vampires, Maharet from the Vampire Chronicles was turned when she was blind and the eyes never recovered their sight, she just robs ones that do work now. So yes, you would still be paralyzed.

So no too both instances.

I say the vampires heal themselves, but for werewolves, can't there be a middle ground?

 Monster Rain wrote:
I don't know about that. Didn't Claudia have plague when she was turned in Interview with the Vampire?

Claudia did not age after being turned. Given that aging is a phenomenon of cellular deterioration, albeit a mysterious one, then why would any other cell-level change be possible after she turned. Therefore, a vampire whose limbs are paralyzed for some cellular reason in life would retain the characteristic afterward. The clear objection I see is that vampires are usually depicted as stronger after death than before. Now, does this have something to do with changes in their muscle tissue? And of course the same objection applies to the vampiric digestive system. The mistake in this line of thought is to imagine the vampire as a living creature when it is in fact neither living, that is regenerating cellular tissue, nor dead, which is to say deteriorating, but undead -- and therefore "frozen." Ah, but only frozen so long as it feeds. Therefore, in feeding, the vampire can only sustain itself up to some given point. That point is determined in part by the characteristics of the subject at its turning but also by vampiric characteristics. While it is a characteristic of vampires to drink blood or be stronger by some mulitplier, it is not a characteristic of vampires to have working limbs. Therefore, if the subject's limbs are not functional at all upon turning then the effective strength at which they function after turning, even if quadrupled as a factor of the change, remains nill.




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 Pilau Rice wrote:
But when you revert back to human form would you then be paralyzed again? I haven't seen any werewolf films where the afflicted display any superhuman strength or healing whilst in original form, and you can apparently kill a werewolf in its human form like any other. So I think that no, your paralysis wouldn't be healed.

If a werewolf is injured by some means other than that involving silver while in its bestial or intermediate form, it is not that physical damage does not occur but rather that the damaged is either lessened or immediately regenerated. It seems reasonable to say that the key is not when the damage occurred but that it exists in the first place. Physical injury sustained in the human form would thus be healed in the bestial or intermediary forms, which itself assumes, as you are willing to, that heightened regeneration is a property only enjoyed by those forms. But even under that assumption, injury healed while in those forms does not reappear when the subject reverts. Given those two principles, any damage suffered before the transformation would be healed while transformed and would not reappear thereafter.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given the incredible healing powers of both, I would say the paralysis would be gone.

In the case of a Vampire it may not actually be gone, but it may simply not effect you. Your vampire constitution simply ignores the fact you are paralyzed. Same logic behind how zombies can function without their head.

Zombies can function without a head? Thats literally the only way to kill them.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given the incredible healing powers of both, I would say the paralysis would be gone.

In the case of a Vampire it may not actually be gone, but it may simply not effect you. Your vampire constitution simply ignores the fact you are paralyzed. Same logic behind how zombies can function without their head.

Zombies can function without a head? Thats literally the only way to kill them.

No, destroying the brain is how you kill them. Just removing the head isn't always a guarantee. Just ask Robert Kirkman. We're all familiar with The Walking Dead, but he also did Marvel Zombies, and both Hawkeye and The Wasp ended up being beheaded and the heads survived and kept on "living". Granted, that's VERY fictional of, well, fiction, but...it still happened there, and Kirkman is kind of the new father of zombies, so...canon?

Yes and the brain resides where exactly? A headless zombie is a headless corpse. Nothing else.

Well with both vampires and werewolves, tyically the only thing that can hurt them is silver(the stake in the heart with vampires typically is a means of not killing them but keeping them pinned in their graves)
Maybe if they got parylyzed by silver in the first place.

I like this thread.

Um. If you turned into a vampire, I think so. Probably because turning into one totally messes with your blood vessels, bone marrow, nerves, and everything. The body has to accept a new form of sustainment, so I think it would override whatever was wrong with the mortal beforehand.

I'm not sure about a werewolf. On one hand, it changes your bone structure, which means it needs to change your tissues, muscles and all the fat and fibres to make that work, so it might cure some nerve paralysis. On the other, you still work the same way, and the nerves are still the same as the human nerves, so it might not do anything, and you would be a lame dog. I'm assuming by werewolf you mean someone who is permanently transformed into one? Otherwise, the person might revert back to a human, and find themselves without the use of their legs, which would be a bummer.

Of course, both are magical creatures, so they don't abide by the laws of nature. I'd like to imagine both of them would heal paralysis.

It would make and awesome story, a parylyzed man get bitten by a wolf, becomes a werewolf and can walk, but only when he is feral.

Dang...that reminds me of the original Ironman

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given the incredible healing powers of both, I would say the paralysis would be gone.

In the case of a Vampire it may not actually be gone, but it may simply not effect you. Your vampire constitution simply ignores the fact you are paralyzed. Same logic behind how zombies can function without their head.

Zombies can function without a head? Thats literally the only way to kill them.

I suppose it depends on the type of zombie.

Some zombie accounts have them able to survive decapitation, others don't.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It would make and awesome story, a parylyzed man get bitten by a wolf, becomes a werewolf and can walk, but only when he is feral.

That's a story I would be in to! The slow process of the man and the beast fighting for control, humanity slipping because he's so addicted to his ability to move and experience when unshackled as the wolf...

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It would make and awesome story, a parylyzed man get bitten by a wolf, becomes a werewolf and can walk, but only when he is feral.

That's a story I would be in to! The slow process of the man and the beast fighting for control, humanity slipping because he's so addicted to his ability to move and experience when unshackled as the wolf...

We need a GOOD author STAT!!!!!!!

I don't think of myself as a good author but I've done some decent writing... I wonder if I could properly do that justice.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Given the incredible healing powers of both, I would say the paralysis would be gone.

In the case of a Vampire it may not actually be gone, but it may simply not effect you. Your vampire constitution simply ignores the fact you are paralyzed. Same logic behind how zombies can function without their head.

Zombies can function without a head? Thats literally the only way to kill them.

I suppose it depends on the type of zombie.

Some zombie accounts have them able to survive decapitation, others don't.

Im not familiar with any single zombie story featuring headless zombies. If your talking about just a zombie head surviving without a body thats a completely different thing, ala the cooler at the end of the Dawn of the Dead remake.

Voodoo zombies and some other magically created types can survive the destruction of the head/brain.

Your telling me Bernie could survive having his head removed? There are surely other undead that can survive losing a head but when you say zombie it generally means one thing.