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 Pilau Rice wrote:
Did they actually admit that the Outcast Dead timeline is a mistake?

Oh, you actually mean the colour of the spine was the mistake - in what way was it an error if they went into it?

Unfortunately, they did not go into detail beyond stating that there is definitely at least one book spine that is the wrong color. I only guess that it is Outcast Dead, but there are a number of possibilities.

My theory is that when they were first starting to plan out the heresy book series, the time periods they wanted to cover were going to be very broad, such that there would only be 4 or 5 colors. However, as the series progressed, they realized how nuanced the HH was going to be and split the time periods into smaller lengths to represent more specific times. However, this would've mean that the first few books that were written in the broader time periods would now be a different color from later books despite taking place at approximately the same time. Though this is just a theory.

A more recent reference to the Emperor vs. the Void Dragon appears in The Last Church. The fresco on the ceiling depicted three scenes - a man and a woman in a fantastic garden, a golden knight fighting a silver dragon, an explosion of stars, and being of light surrounded by halo of golden machinery. So we have a reference to the Garden of Eden, nothing unusual about that - its a common enough theme - but the explosion of stars and the knight and the dragon could be references to the Fall of the Eldar and the Emperor confronting the Void Dragon. Most ominous of all is that last scene, which seems eerily reminiscent of the Emperor on the Golden Throne.

I remember something from the Horus Hersey books. Forget which one (could be mechanicum as noted earlier) but the main female had went into a trance and had "witnessed" a knight who was "blindingly perfect" (or something akin to that) kicking the crap out of a dragon that would regularly appear by a village/town/city and eat some of the populous. It was implied this flashback took place before gunpowder. He also didn't really kill it so much as he subdued it and dragged it off the feth knows where (mars was strongly hinted).

Almost right, and it was Mechanicum IIRC.

The dragon was kicking the crap out of him, until he saw an opening and managed to knock it out.

So can someone clarify where it fits into the timeline?

 caminacambob wrote:
So can someone clarify where it fits into the timeline?

A long ass time ago. Like, pre-medieval times, I forget if there was a year mentioned.

I see, cheers!

 caminacambob wrote:
So can someone clarify where it fits into the timeline?

The fight between The Emperor and The Dragon is likely a reference to the story of St. George and the Dragon, which would put it in the 3rd/4th century

I believe the Void Dragon is worshipped by the Mechanicum. They call it... wait for it... The Omnissiah! Also the Void Dragon is a shard of the Nightbringer's steed. I think. The Emperor never fought the Dragon. The Void Dragon was split way before the Emperor even came into being (That's about 800BC folks). It was probably put there by the Eldar because this was way before Humanity had came out of the caves and it probably seemed a good idea. But hey I'm no Eldar expert so I can't tell you that it's completely canon or correct for that matter. However it's probably best to consult the Dark Eldar on that one, although they probably put it there and they'd be happy to tell you what they did to it (after torturing you and possibly doing naughty things with you!).Just because their hippy Craftworld cousins would rather not remember they ever did that s**t.

 FinalAnswer wrote:

 caminacambob wrote:
So can someone clarify where it fits into the timeline?

The fight between The Emperor and The Dragon is likely a reference to the story of St. George and the Dragon, which would put it in the 3rd/4th century

I've been watching this thread, and I can't believe it took this long for someone to see the reference. Kudos to you, my friend.

It happens in about 1400AD in Libya IIRC

chobarba wrote:
Void Dragon, Big Time. If a warboss is able to blow the emporer into the ground... then a dragon controlling the machine spirit should be able to do a bit more.

Wasn't this a little early in his Emperizing? And wasn't it a huge one, like 2-3 ghazzys

Personally I think that what the Emperor fought was the C'tan Dragon, not a shard or anything but the full thing, but it was severely weakened. In one of the BFG books there was a reference to the Eldar god Vaul crafting weapons to fight the Dragon and after this, scattering the weapons to the stars so they could be called upon if needs be. I'm sure these weapons were the Blackstone Forts. Three Blackstones were powerful enough to make a sun go nova, if the Dragon was hit by all eight and somehow was not killed it was severely hurt, drained and weakened to the point of death and somehow came to rest on Earth. Thats where it set itself up feeding on that cities maidens, feeding on their fear and emotions, slowly regaining strength. Along comes the Empy to fight a greatly weakened C'tan and even then he's getting his ass kicked until he spots its weakened area, a physical representation of where it was struck by the Blackstones perhaps and hits it for maximum damage.

Somehow he then drags it to Mars and you can't imprison that thing without there being some form of 'corruption' and in this case its knowledge or at least technology. Perhaps the Dragon helped cause the Golden Age which i'm guessing Empy forsaw and putting the Dragon on Mars was all part of his master plan to get a loyal force of highly skilled technologists who would (for the most part) follow him without question.

But if the Dragon somehow woke up and got free....well then Mars is gone, Terra's gone and the knock on effects of that would of course result in even more Grimdark.