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First up, the British "Tortoise" assault gun in 1/35th scale.


http://www.hlj.com/product/MENTS-002

I've bagged one of these to add to my IG excessive vehicle park.


You wait ages for a WW2 mega tank kit to come along, then two arrive at the same time!


http://www.hlj.com/product/CYVCH6750

The US vehicle has four sets of tracks!!


Finally, a more futuristic design, the GUNHED. For Tau armies perhaps?


http://www.hlj.com/product/KBYKP-190

All the kits are 1/35th scale.

That last one is crazy!

I can see the last one being used for Infinity

That super tank is really cool. It looks surprisingly modern.

That last one is perhaps too futuristic for 40k, but it's the kind of beast you'd expect to see parked at a PanOcenanian army base...

More info on the Tortoise can be found on the Meng Website. They are a pretty new Chinese company - but the level of detail which they produce is on parr or better than most the existing companies.

http://www.meng-model.com/index2_new.php?id=184

Yeah, just because something was made in Japan doesn't mean it's a good fit for Tau. The Gunhed tank is neat, but doesn't fit any present 40K design aesthetic.

 JOHIRA wrote:
Yeah, just because something was made in Japan doesn't mean it's a good fit for Tau. The Gunhed tank is neat, but doesn't fit any present 40K design aesthetic.

Neither does a robot transformer dragon, but chaos suddenly has one...

New Space Marine flyer looks like a robotech toy...


GW themselves has really said "feth established design asthetic" as of late...

That T-28 is begging to be the base for a custom tank. Its top looks very flat, and is just asking for a turret to be added.

If you like the Gunhed model you'll probably love the movie too, it is awesome in a crazy Japanese / Hong Kong cinema way!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8D76QVbxMc

GUNHED looks like it is on roller skates.

 Mad4Minis wrote:
That T-28 is begging to be the base for a custom tank. Its top looks very flat, and is just asking for a turret to be added.

Or several

The front cannon looks a bit like a toilet plunger, but I suppose you can mess around with that... maybe put some rivets on it. The four tracks are just brilliant for megatanks though.

 CT GAMER wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Yeah, just because something was made in Japan doesn't mean it's a good fit for Tau. The Gunhed tank is neat, but doesn't fit any present 40K design aesthetic.

Neither does a robot transformer dragon, but chaos suddenly has one...

New Space Marine flyer looks like a robotech toy...


GW themselves has really said "feth established design asthetic" as of late...

And your point is?

The Gunhed is from a movie, and it fits the Tau aesthetic no more than sticking a rail cannon on a Patalbor kit and calling it a "Tau Titan". Even with GW themselves saying "feth established design aesthetic" of late, does that mean we do too?

And yes, I love the Gunhead. Seeing it drive up a lift shaft as, quite frankly, amazing. But it just doesn't fit current Tau designs. Go on then, name a single Tau wheeled vehicle. And no, I don't believe Chaos should have got a "robot transformer dragon" either. But just because Chaos is going all "Transformers" does not mean that Tau should go all "Random Japanese film/anime" - despite the number of people painting Tau armies to look like Pikachu/Deathnote/whatever Anime is flavour of the month.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Yeah, just because something was made in Japan doesn't mean it's a good fit for Tau. The Gunhed tank is neat, but doesn't fit any present 40K design aesthetic.

Neither does a robot transformer dragon, but chaos suddenly has one...

New Space Marine flyer looks like a robotech toy...


GW themselves has really said "feth established design asthetic" as of late...

And your point is?

The Gunhed is from a movie, and it fits the Tau aesthetic no more than sticking a rail cannon on a Patalbor kit and calling it a "Tau Titan". Even with GW themselves saying "feth established design aesthetic" of late, does that mean we do too?

And yes, I love the Gunhead. Seeing it drive up a lift shaft as, quite frankly, amazing. But it just doesn't fit current Tau designs. Go on then, name a single Tau wheeled vehicle. And no, I don't believe Chaos should have got a "robot transformer dragon" either. But just because Chaos is going all "Transformers" does not mean that Tau should go all "Random Japanese film/anime" - despite the number of people painting Tau armies to look like Pikachu/Deathnote/whatever Anime is flavour of the month.

The point is that that that giant mecha is closer to Tau asthetic then a robotic dragon is to anything chaos.

I never said it was spot-on Tau, but it isnt any further from tau asthetic then that dragon is from chaos asthetic.

GW has mad eit clear with a number of recent design choices that established asthetics are not above being bent/changed/re-invented, so whay can't a player do the same thing if they choose to?

I have to admit I thought the robot dragon was a Dark Eldar or a Tyranid kit, when I saw the pic without reading any blurb about it.

The robot dragon is cool. I saw a pic from above and his pointy wings are from the chaos arrow. Sheesh, people bitch about not getting upgrades for years and when their turn comes up it's bitch bitch bitch.

If you're displeased with what you get how about bitching about it in the thread you start that's showing off your new awesome counts as model. That way we get a little positivity mixed in with the negative.

OT - I remember GunHED from way back in the early nineties. They even had a live action film. I don't remember it too well. I really do think it's crazy cool in the anime culture how these very old licenses are still visited upon decades later and lapped up by adoring fans. I guess everyone remembers their childhoods fondly. That tank is pretty cool.

 CT GAMER wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:


The Gunhed is from a movie, and it fits the Tau aesthetic no more than sticking a rail cannon on a Patalbor kit and calling it a "Tau Titan". Even with GW themselves saying "feth established design aesthetic" of late, does that mean we do too?

The point is that that that giant mecha is closer to Tau asthetic then a robotic dragon is to anything chaos.

I never said it was spot-on Tau, but it isnt any further from tau asthetic then that dragon is from chaos asthetic.

GW has mad eit clear with a number of recent design choices that established asthetics are not above being bent/changed/re-invented, so whay can't a player do the same thing if they choose to?

Players have been doing it for years, remember that Patlabor kit used as a Tau Titan I mentioned. What I was getting at was that just because GW choose to, does not mean we have to follow. I won't play against someone using Patlabor kits, nor will I play against someone using Gunhed kits. If someone uses that Choas dragon, I can't stop them.

I don't like the design of many GW kits, but then I don't buy them. GW are opening themselves up to people using aftermarket parts and other companies models, but they can't stop that in a FLGS. It is still my choice if I will play against someone blatantly using product from another realm (TV, film, SF or fantasy) in a game where it doesn't belong. If they are using models I don't like from the range belonging to the game I am playing, I can snigger, but I will have to allow them to use them. Simple as!

 Conrad Turner wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:


The Gunhed is from a movie, and it fits the Tau aesthetic no more than sticking a rail cannon on a Patalbor kit and calling it a "Tau Titan". Even with GW themselves saying "feth established design aesthetic" of late, does that mean we do too?

The point is that that that giant mecha is closer to Tau asthetic then a robotic dragon is to anything chaos.

I never said it was spot-on Tau, but it isnt any further from tau asthetic then that dragon is from chaos asthetic.

GW has mad eit clear with a number of recent design choices that established asthetics are not above being bent/changed/re-invented, so whay can't a player do the same thing if they choose to?

Players have been doing it for years, remember that Patlabor kit used as a Tau Titan I mentioned. What I was getting at was that just because GW choose to, does not mean we have to follow. I won't play against someone using Patlabor kits, nor will I play against someone using Gunhed kits. If someone uses that Choas dragon, I can't stop them.

I don't like the design of many GW kits, but then I don't buy them. GW are opening themselves up to people using aftermarket parts and other companies models, but they can't stop that in a FLGS. It is still my choice if I will play against someone blatantly using product from another realm (TV, film, SF or fantasy) in a game where it doesn't belong. If they are using models I don't like from the range belonging to the game I am playing, I can snigger, but I will have to allow them to use them. Simple as!

[shrug] I guess I just don't understand why it matters all that much. IF the model is representative of what it is supposed to be ("this anime-ish battle suit is my commander's battlesuit") then taking some stand just Smacks of elitism to me...

IF it is a sanctioned GW event/store or a tourney then sure, set whatever restrictions you must, but otherwise what is the big deal?

 CT GAMER wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Yeah, just because something was made in Japan doesn't mean it's a good fit for Tau. The Gunhed tank is neat, but doesn't fit any present 40K design aesthetic.

Neither does a robot transformer dragon, but chaos suddenly has one...

New Space Marine flyer looks like a robotech toy...


GW themselves has really said "feth established design asthetic" as of late...

And your point is?

The Gunhed is from a movie, and it fits the Tau aesthetic no more than sticking a rail cannon on a Patalbor kit and calling it a "Tau Titan". Even with GW themselves saying "feth established design aesthetic" of late, does that mean we do too?

And yes, I love the Gunhead. Seeing it drive up a lift shaft as, quite frankly, amazing. But it just doesn't fit current Tau designs. Go on then, name a single Tau wheeled vehicle. And no, I don't believe Chaos should have got a "robot transformer dragon" either. But just because Chaos is going all "Transformers" does not mean that Tau should go all "Random Japanese film/anime" - despite the number of people painting Tau armies to look like Pikachu/Deathnote/whatever Anime is flavour of the month.

The point is that that that giant mecha is closer to Tau asthetic then a robotic dragon is to anything chaos.

I disagree. Chaos already has a frequent dragon motif in the barrels of heavy weapons. Which likewise shows that some form of sympathetic/appeal to mythology design aesthetic is already in place. I agree that the dragon plane is stupid, but it's not much of a stretch from what Chaos already does, really.

The Gunhead has nothing that relates to the Tau aesthetic other than the fact that it is Japanese and some players have this notion that all Japanese things must automatically be Tau.

, so whay can't a player do the same thing if they choose to?

I've never said anything about what a player can do with their models- I fully support players doing anything they want to express themselves creatively with their man-dollies. But by suggesting this kit as a Tau vehicle, people are making a claim to the Tau aesthetic that I think is a gross over-generalization. So I'm saying something about it. If a player wants their Tau to look nothing like the established Tau aesthetic then they're welcome to convert that kit. But I wouldn't suggest that other Tau players should want their Tau not to look like the established Tau aesthetic. Kinda like how I have absolutely no problem with players who model female space marines, but I'm not going to grab a mini of a random woman in random power armor and say she would fit in any given Space Marine army.

 CT GAMER wrote:

[shrug] I guess I just don't understand why it matters all that much. IF the model is representative of what it is supposed to be ("this anime-ish battle suit is my commander's battlesuit") then taking some stand just Smacks of elitism to me...

IF it is a sanctioned GW event/store or a tourney then sure, set whatever restrictions you must, but otherwise what is the big deal?

IF the model is representative, there is no big deal. But that means it has to be at least on the correct sized base (for a figure) or at least the approximate size (for a vehicle). If you can find close enough models, and I can clearly tell - even if that means you print out a crib sheet letting me know what is what - then I won't complain.

But the examples I cited were a Patlabor kit (12" tall) representing a Tau Titan (there is currently no such beast in the rules), not a battlesuit, just because it had the rail cannon from a Hammerhead glued onto it's arm. Not only does this have no place in a proper game due to the rules, it's just plain lazy modelling.

The Gunhed is a 1/35 scale, so is probably much larger than any of the imperial superheavies, also with no rules in the game.

And no, it's not Elitism, I'm not saying "I won't play against anyone who does not have an army which is painted to at least as good a standard as mine, and without any substitutions." I am saying that it is my choice whether to play with you or not if you are being silly about what you are bringing to the table. I have seen some absolutely brilliant 'counts as' models, and been honoured to play against them - no matter what the skill of the person who has done the work, it's the idea and the fact that the effort has been made to keep it looking Tau that gets my respect. I have in fact seen some amazing paper models used, but those were built by people who at least respected the Tau aesthetic and ensured people knew what they were fighting against, and had codex entries to back them up.

By showing up with a Tau gun glued on some random anime kit, you are not respecting me, you are not respecting my right to expect a game where I can suspend disbelief and BE the general of my forces, so why should I treat you as anything other than the kid you are?

 Conrad Turner wrote:

I don't like the design of many GW kits, but then I don't buy them. GW are opening themselves up to people using aftermarket parts and other companies models, but they can't stop that in a FLGS. It is still my choice if I will play against someone blatantly using product from another realm (TV, film, SF or fantasy) in a game where it doesn't belong. If they are using models I don't like from the range belonging to the game I am playing, I can snigger, but I will have to allow them to use them. Simple as!

You sound like great fun to play against with that kind of attitude. Such a shame that we're on the other side of the planet and that it will never happen.


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 Conrad Turner wrote:
By showing up with a Tau gun glued on some random anime kit, you are not respecting me, you are not respecting my right to expect a game where I can suspend disbelief and BE the general of my forces, so why should I treat you as anything other than the kid you are?

wow.

Omg its the Gunhed

Kudos for bringing back something so obscure yet awesome

 scipio.au wrote:

You sound like great fun to play against with that kind of attitude. Such a shame that we're on the other side of the planet and that it will never happen.



wow.

Get your head out of your and go read your Constitution.
If you want to play games against people that can turn up with an action man and 5 pen bodys taped to its arm and claim it's an imperial titan with a gatling cannon, that's up to you. Don't look down on me just because I expect an opponent to turn up with an army that is legal, made mainly from the parts sold by the manufacturer, and a reasonable standard.* It is what they can expect from me, why shouldn't I expect the same in return?

Or am I being ELITIST again?




*Reasonable standard does NOT mean it has to be painted and/or converted to WD 'EM standard. It depends on the age and experience of the person I am playing.

Well guys, let's try to stick to the topic.

 ergotoxin wrote:
Omg its the Gunhed

Kudos for bringing back something so obscure yet awesome

My exact reaction, actually. I want this model something fierce.

Those super-heavy tanks are proof that, if WWII had rested on who could design the best heavy AFV, the US and British would have been screwed.

Tanks like these are part of the inspiration behind the IG super-heavies.

Oh, and whilst I have no problems with the design of those other two 'tanks' (Self-propelled guns would be more accurate), anyone thinking of using them as 'counts as' Shadowswords may find that at 1/35 scale, they're a bit big.

IIRC, 28mm is around 1/56 scale, so you could end up with something around 50% bigger than a Shadowsword.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

Get your head out of your and go read your Constitution.
If you want to play games against people that can turn up with an action man and 5 pen bodys taped to its arm and claim it's an imperial titan with a gatling cannon, that's up to you. Don't look down on me just because I expect an opponent to turn up with an army that is legal, made mainly from the parts sold by the manufacturer, and a reasonable standard.* It is what they can expect from me, why shouldn't I expect the same in return?

Or am I being ELITIST again?

Tell you what, you seem like an angry "big man on the internet"-type, so I'm just going to put you on ignore and discontinue interaction with you instead of bothering to try and have a discussion or argument. K?

Wow, look out for the spectacular reverse up the hard shoulder.

Scipio.au goes from trying to provoke argument by saying I don't have the right to choose who I game against based on whatever criteria I choose, to saying he can't be bothered to do so!

And I can't believe he's trying to paint me as the villain here, just because I stuck up for my rights and the opinion that the Gunhed is not suitable as a model for a Tau force, or any force for that matter, and use in 40K!

This is why we can't have nice things..

Anyway, BACK ON TOPIC, this might be a 1:144 scale model, but it could still find its way into 40k somehow: http://www.hlj.com/product/MTUAFV-46