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Apparently admitting to committing a crime isn't enough to get you convicted anymore. Now you have to admit to it while the current president isn't vying for your cousin's votes.

A growing number of undocumented immigrants in Arizona and other states are taking immigration protests to a new extreme, staging acts of civil disobedience by deliberately getting arrested in order to be turned over to federal immigration officials.

Often wearing T-shirts declaring themselves "undocumented and unafraid," the protesters have sat down in streets and blocked traffic, or occupied buildings in several cities including Phoenix and Tucson.

Dozens of protesters have been arrested, but in almost every case, federal immigration officers have declined to deport those in the country illegally. Protesters say they are planning more acts of civil disobedience, including possibly in Phoenix.


The acts are intended to openly defy stepped-up immigration enforcement that has led to record deportations over the past three years.

In Arizona, protesters are focused now on enforcement of a portion of the state's Senate Bill 1070 immigration law.

By getting arrested, immigrants say they are making a point: Illegal immigrants who are part of this country shouldn't have to live in fear of being deported and deserve to live here legally. They also think immigration authorities are less likely to deport illegal immigrants arrested in public because the government doesn't want the negative attention.

"Honestly, I can tell you I have never felt as free as when I was sitting in the middle of the street and when I was chanting 'undocumented and unafraid,' " said Daniela Cruz, 21. She is one of six undocumented immigrants arrested in March after blocking an intersection in front of Trevor G. Browne High School in west Phoenix.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say unwanted publicity has nothing to with the agency's decision not to take action against the protesters. In most cases, the agency has issued statements saying the protesters simply did not meet the agency's priorities of deporting criminals, recent border crossers and egregious immigration violators.

Still, undocumented immigrants could be taking a chance if getting arrested leads to a criminal record that could prevent them from gaining legal status in the the future.

Frustration spurs action

The rise of civil disobedience shows how some immigrant groups are turning to more-extreme measures out of frustration that the marches, work stoppages, voter drives and boycotts of the past have not worked. Reforms that include a proposed legalization program for millions of undocumented immigrants have not passed Congress, and deportations keep going up.

Last fiscal year, ICE deported a record of nearly 397,000 immigrants. ICE is on a pace to deport as many or more this fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30. Comprehensive immigration reform likely won't be addressed again until next year at the earliest.

"Immigration reform has been on the national agenda for more than 10 years with no progress, and so, I think that is one of the reasons we are seeing an uptick in the level of civil disobedience," said Chris Newman, legal-programs director for the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, an advocacy group in Los Angeles that has worked with groups that engage in civil disobedience.

Carlos Vélez-Ibánez, director of Arizona State University's School of Transborder Studies, said the rise in civil disobedience is the result of a new crop of leaders who are inspired by some of the tactics of the civil- rights and Chicano movements of the 1960s and 1970s.

"In this case, people are putting themselves in harm's way to make the point of the unfairness of these laws," Vélez-Ibánez said.

Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank in Washington, D.C., that supports tough immigration enforcement, doesn't think civil disobedience now will sway public opinion to the degree that the civil-rights movement did.

"It's not clear to most Americans that this is analogous to the civil-rights movement," Camarota said. "In the civil-rights movement, you had American citizens demanding equality. In this case, you have people who aren't supposed to be in the country demanding the rights of citizens, and to most Americans, or at least a large fraction, that is not roughly the same thing."

Groups use e-mail, social media

Groups such as the National Immigrant Youth Alliance, Dream Activist and Puente Arizona, which is based in Phoenix, are only a few years old or less. But they have quickly built national followings through the use of websites, Facebook, e-mail blasts, Twitter and YouTube videos to promote civil disobedience. They also attempt to rally public support for individual cases of undocumented immigrants facing deportation.

Jonathan Perez, 25, a member of National Immigrant Youth Alliance, said he has seen an evolution in the undocumented-immigrant movement.

"Two or three years ago, people wouldn't come out. They were even afraid to be on camera," said Perez, an undocumented immigrant from Colombia who lives in Los Angeles.

Then, growing numbers of undocumented students known as "dreamers" began appearing on television and in front of Congress to tell their stories in hopes of generating support for the Dream Act, a bill that would allow undocumented immigrants to gain citizenship if they attended college or joined the military.

The turning point came in May 2010, when a group of protesters dressed in caps and gowns staged a sit-in at the Tucson offices of Sen. John McCain, Perez said. Among the four protesters arrested were three who were in the country illegally. It was the first time students had deliberately gotten arrested and risked deportation in an act of civil disobedience, according to Perez and other activists familiar with the incident.

Protests heat up

Since then, civil disobedience in Arizona and around the country has steadily increased.

Among the most recent examples:

On July 24, four undocumented immigrants were arrested after stopping traffic at an intersection outside the Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Courthouse in Phoenix. They were protesting Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's tough stance against illegal immigrants on the same day he was at the courthouse defending himself against a racial-profiling lawsuit accusing his office of targeting Latinos to search for illegal immigrants.

On Sept. 4, 10 undocumented immigrants, including three from Arizona, were arrested when they blocked a busy intersection in downtown Charlotte, N.C., on the first day of the Democratic National Convention. The protesters said they wanted to push President Barack Obama to legalize illegal immigrants instead of deporting them.

On Sept. 7, four undocumented immigrants and two supporters were arrested while blocking traffic in Los Angeles. They were trying to pressure Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca to stop working with federal immigration authorities to identify and arrest illegal immigrants.

More civil disobedience may now be on the way. Local police are about to begin enforcing the so-called "show me your papers" provision of SB 1070 following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in June that rejected an argument that the provision is unconstitutional.

That provision requires police officers to check the legal status of a person stopped or arrested under certain conditions during investigations or traffic stops.

To protest the law, organizers from Puente Arizona say they are considering civil disobedience, including getting arrested by blocking streets.

"It's empowering," said Carlos Garcia, director of Puente Arizona. "But what it really comes down to is challenging the law itself and us being able to tell the stories of undocumented people and why they are risking everything."

In July, Puente created a Facebook page to drum up support for the "UndocuBus." About two dozen undocumented immigrants rode the 1970s-era passenger bus on a six-week trip across the country that began in Phoenix and ended in Charlotte. Along the way, the bus, painted bright turquoise with butterflies and the slogan "No papers no fear" on the sides, made stops in 15 cities, including Knoxville, Tenn.

In that city four of about 50 protesters blocking a city street were arrested on Aug. 28. They were protesting the local sheriff's participation in a federal program that gives local police the authority to enforce federal immigration laws.

The UndocuBus' trip culminated with a protest that blocked an intersection near the site of the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte.

Among the 10 people arrested there was Phoenix resident and UndocuBus rider Gerardo Torres, 41, an undocumented immigrant from Aguas Calientes, Mexico.

Torres, a handyman, said it wasn't until the night before, during a meeting at a local church, that he decided to get arrested.

"I wanted to prove the point to the (undocumented) community that when we are together and we are united, we have a lot of power," said Torres, who said he has been living in the country illegally since 1993, when his six-month tourist visa expired.

Torres conceded, however, that he knew the chances of being put into deportation proceedings were slim because he has no criminal record.

Since June 2011, ICE has revamped its deportation priorities to focus more attention on removing illegal immigrants with criminal records instead of those with clean records and strong community and family ties.

After spending about 10 hours in jail, Torres was released. ICE declined to pursue deportation against the 10 protesters.

ICE officials declined to be interviewed.

In a written statement, Amber Cargile, an ICE spokeswoman in Phoenix, said the agency "fully respects the rights of all people to voice their opinions."

"We recognize that our nation's broken immigration system requires serious solutions, and we continue to work with Congress to enact reform," Cargile said.

Since the acts of civil disobedience started, immigrant groups say, ICE has taken deportation action against only one protester, Miguel Guerra-Montana, 35. The Phoenix resident is one of four undocumented immigrants arrested after they sat down and blocked an intersection in front of the federal courthouse in downtown Phoenix.

In the statement, Cargile said ICE issued Guerra-Montana a notice to appear before an immigration judge and released him on bond after a federal database check revealed he had entered the country in January 2002 on a visitor's visa but failed to leave after the visa expired.

"ICE uses discretion on a case-by-case basis, taking enforcement action based on the merits of an individual's case and a comprehensive review of specific facts," Cargile said. An immigration judge will decide whether Guerra-Montana should be deported.

Guerra-Montana said he wanted to be placed in deportation proceedings. That would give him the chance to ask an immigration judge to let him remain in the U.S. legally. He has hired a lawyer and plans to argue that he should be allowed to stay because he has lived in this country for more than 10 years and two of this three children were born here.

He sees that as a better alternative than being stopped by police and turned over to ICE.

"I did this because I was tired of always having to hide," he said.

Although CE has not pursued deportation against most of the protesters, they are still taking a chance by getting arrested.

In September, Cruz, the undocumented immigrant arrested in March for blocking the intersection at Trevor G. Browne High School, went to court to fight two misdemeanor charges. A judge found Cruz guilty of the two charges. Now, she has a criminal record.

Cruz said she doesn't know if her record will hurt her chances of applying for any future legalization program or for President Barack Obama's deferred-action program, which lets young undocumented immigrants apply to stay and work temporarily in the U.S. without the threat of deportation. The guidelines for applying rule out undocumented immigrants convicted of felonies, serious misdemeanors or three or more misdemeanors. Department of Homeland Security officials have said applicants for deferred action with records of disobedience will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

But Cruz has no regrets.

"To me, even after I was found guilty, it was more than 100 percent worth it," she said. "We showed our community that once we come out, we are a lot safer."

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Ship'em out. Governor Brewer in Arizona's running the show right down south.

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I think deporting illegal immigrants is one area where Obama is outperforming Bush and you would think Conservatives would be appreciative of that:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/

If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.


Which is kind of interesting if you consider the traditional support of the Latino base for the Democratic Party.

We do need immigration reform, and I think that we are not going to deport everybody. There will have to be some sort of amnesty component.
   
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I'm quite pleased with the numbers on deportations actually, though I do think they should be higher. I also think that the charges brought against Arizona's SB1070 are contemptible, especially in the light of California's "Sanctuary" cities.

Having lived on the border (10 miles north of the San Luis check point give or take some change in Yuma, AZ) we really do have some serious problems down south that the Federal government isn't really addressing. Disasters from the Justice Derparment like Operation Fast and Furious /really/ aren't helping. Increased enforcement powers and anti-illegal efforts by local LEOs IS helping.

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I read an article awhile back that the reason ICE is selective on who they deport is due to funding. I agree with it. I recommend more funding.

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It is a conflicting area, that's for sure.

We need to do more to keep us safe. Immigration isn't the main problem, and the wast majority of illegal immigrants are law abiding (except for that whole illegal immigration thing). It's the whole drug trade and cartel mess who utilize illegal immigration that cause the danger for us.

We need to make the border more secure, we need to stop the inflow of non-monitored immigrants. Deporting all illegal immigrants is not going to address the problem we have with the violent cartels though, and I think securing the border and the border regions is a bigger priority than deporting existing illegal immigrants.

Of course I think that drug policy reform would also address this problem to a small extend.
   
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Drug policy reform would help with the cartels, but it wouldn't really do much any where else. We have squad sized elements with automatic weapons moving freely across the border. No legislation's gonna make that better over night.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Drug policy reform would help with the cartels, but it wouldn't really do much any where else. We have squad sized elements with automatic weapons moving freely across the border. No legislation's gonna make that better over night.


Are the sqauds with the cartels, or are they part of a different group?

Legislation would help down the line, but you guys are in dire need of boots on the ground for sure.
   
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Put boots on ground across the builder? Heck no. We literally have to take ver Mexico.....

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 d-usa wrote:
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Drug policy reform would help with the cartels, but it wouldn't really do much any where else. We have squad sized elements with automatic weapons moving freely across the border. No legislation's gonna make that better over night.


Are the sqauds with the cartels, or are they part of a different group?

Legislation would help down the line, but you guys are in dire need of boots on the ground for sure.


Cartels... for now. I fully believe that terrorist elements can come across if they want to despite Napolitano's assurances other wise

"Papers please' is fairly pathetic rhetoric and deserves nothing but contempt. Also violates Godwin's law

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I can see the fines now for not showing ID. guessing 100 dollars at least

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Neapolitino is already in a bit of hot water. She has I think two lawsuits on her already

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Neapolitino is a train wreck, but that's just my opinion.
   
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 Jihadin wrote:
I can see the fines now for not showing ID. guessing 100 dollars at least

edit
Neapolitino is already in a bit of hot water. She has I think two lawsuits on her already

Fines for not showing ID? Link?


I guess those undocumented and unafraid t shirts make reasonable suspicion a cinch.

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"Papers please' is fairly pathetic rhetoric and deserves nothing but contempt. Also violates Godwin's law


No way, dude. Its Casablanca. I don't think its covered.

   
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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


"Papers please' is fairly pathetic rhetoric and deserves nothing but contempt. Also violates Godwin's law


No way, dude. Its Casablanca. I don't think its covered.


What about "tickets please"?

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How about stinking badges?


Reported!

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@dusa I've always thought the number of people deported by ICE under Obama was staggering. I will admit that I did not click on the links but the last time I read about it he had deported more people in 4 years than Bush did in 8. Then he goes and sucks up to Latino voters, it rubs me the wrong way.


Jihadin wrote: We literally have to take ver Mexico.....

It's bound to happen sooner or later.

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DHS has some interesting statistics.

Removals under the Obama administration are higher then any year during the Bush administration. According to the definition, removals are those who have been sent from the country with the threat of administrative or criminal consequences placed apon reentry into the US.

Now, Returns are a different matter. Returns are the removal of illegals not based on a court order, most of them being Mexicans. During the Bush administration the lowest number of returns was 811,263. 5 of his 8 years, there was more then 1 million returns a year. The highest number during the Obama administration has just been 584,436, so far.

So, in a given year of the Bush administration there was always more then 1,000,000 illegals being sent back home. So far, Obama's best year hasn't even seen 1 million. On top of that, a full quarter of Obama's best year was really under Bush, because these statistics are measured in Fiscal Years, which begin in Oct of the prior calendar year.

Can see it here, table 39.

http://www.dhs.gov/yearbook-immigration-statistics-2011-3

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I always love hearing people bitch about illegal immigration. You ever buy food grown in America? Yep you've supported illegal immigration.
   
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Yup, and thats why we need to reel it in. We can't have our food system compromised by foriegn nationals.

If you are going to work here, move here and live here legally. Its gotta be better then whatever hellhole you're living in in Mexico.

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 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
I always love hearing people bitch about illegal immigration. You ever buy food grown in America? Yep you've supported illegal immigration.

Eh... so, you're implying that because we WANT cheap food, that we have to hire illegals to illegally pay them at a lower rate to keep food prices down?

Feth that...

All I want is for visitors to sign the damn guest book when they're here... that's all.

If we need to have a conversation about making things easier for migrant workers to work here... fine. In fact, I'd support the following:
1) Sign the fething guest book
2) Secure the Borders
3) Make English official language period.
4) ... the rest is simply logistics. If they want to live here, LET THEM.

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Only thing I disagree with is English as an official language, but I am for a dual approach of immigration reform and increased border security.
   
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I think if they want to work here they should live here.

Make it easier to come over(but secure the borders) but also make it so you must be a resident of the US or apply for a workers permit(which would be heavily taxed)

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 d-usa wrote:
Only thing I disagree with is English as an official language, but I am for a dual approach of immigration reform and increased border security.

Why?

To me, spoken language is one of the most powerful "mechanism" to culture an identity for a country.

And when I mean "official languange"... I really mean all Government/State activites. I don't mean it like we'd have to strip down all the Chinese signs in China town...

Now granted... I live in mid-west, so I'm not attuned to other issues that those on the border states see...

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Why should a workers permit be heavily taxed? They should pay the same taxes as anybody else, don't punish them for having a permit, that just means they won't get one.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Why should a workers permit be heavily taxed? They should pay the same taxes as anybody else, don't punish them for having a permit, that just means they won't get one.

Yeah... I agree with that. I never truly understood that green-cards get taxed more.

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 whembly wrote:
 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
I always love hearing people bitch about illegal immigration. You ever buy food grown in America? Yep you've supported illegal immigration.

Eh... so, you're implying that because we WANT cheap food, that we have to hire illegals to illegally pay them at a lower rate to keep food prices down?

Feth that...

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Im not implying anything its the truth. The real reason that very little has changed about immigration reform is we are highly dependent on them for cheap labor. Are you going to go pick fruit for pennies? No. But you'll surely buy them cheap in the supermarket.


   
 
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