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Around 12-14"

Been a while since I actually measured mine(and its 100 miles away right now)

 Samus_aran115 wrote:

captain bloody fists wrote:
Afternoon All,

Just out of curiousity is the forgeworld gear any good? I'm not realy talking quality of the models but the value of what you get to improve your army (running sm). I was thinking of getting a thunderhawk and the deadly looking drop pod with the assualt cannons.

What's everyone's thoughts?

They're just delicate trinkets that offer nothing in regular games,and make people upset with you, or more importantly, jealous. They look really nice, and they're fun to paint. Plus, they always add a little splash to your army when it's in the cabinet.

I would hold off on buying a thunderhawk until your army is HUGE. Then you can actually use it in Apoc games. They're amazing, from what I've heard.

Thank you. This post really has snow balled.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Around 12-14"

Been a while since I actually measured mine(and its 100 miles away right now)

I really do want a titan

Who doesn't? :d


As far as being third party or not... Forge World is a separate firm from Games Workshop for tax purposes. However, the Forge World books are published by Games Workshop under the Forge World imprint, making things more confusing.

So: Forge World models are third party.
Forge World books are first party, but published under a third party name.

Forgeworld is a GW subsidiary.

Thunderhawk is pretty good at having an odd effectiveness in apoc games, but the assault cannon drop pod IMO isn't exactly that great at times.

Is there actually any official word on the status of Forgeworld rules? Why do they require your opponents consent to use while, say, Grey Knights don't? Sure, it always polite to ask, but is there any actual rules on this?

Personally I'd be fine with any Forgeworld stuff. It is interesting to face new units, especially if the models are gorgeous.

 Crimson wrote:
Is there actually any official word on the status of Forgeworld rules? Why do they require your opponents consent to use while, say, Grey Knights don't? Sure, it always polite to ask, but is there any actual rules on this?

The start of every recent FW book or pdf says "these are 100% official and for standard 40k". The rule requiring your opponent's consent was removed years ago.

 Peregrine wrote:


The start of every recent FW book or pdf says "these are 100% official and for standard 40k". The rule requiring your opponent's consent was removed years ago.

Then it is a bit sad that 'FW requires opponents consent' still gets touted a lot.

 Crimson wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:


The start of every recent FW book or pdf says "these are 100% official and for standard 40k". The rule requiring your opponent's consent was removed years ago.

Then it is a bit sad that 'FW requires opponents consent' still gets touted a lot.

Yeah. That may be down to the contempt/jealousy factor mentioned by Samus. I for one would welcome the chance to face armies with FW models in them. They look great, and if they're painted nice and complement the fluff of the army/battle - even better!

As someone who had a Thunderhawk I would advice against it. Its one of their older models and just the prep time to start assembling is lengthy. Go with the Cestuas assault ram, its pretty sweet.

As many have said some Forgeworld is meh an some is great. I picked up Inquisitor Hector Rex during 5th an he was pretty meh but he is an awesome model. With 6th changing psykers around Rex makes a good compliment to any hammer CC unit.

Also I really like the Storm Eagle its the only way without allies to get flyers into a Dark Angel or Space Wolf army and it packs a ton of weaponry. Its kinda pricey pointwise but I like it.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Is there actually any official word on the status of Forgeworld rules? Why do they require your opponents consent to use while, say, Grey Knights don't? Sure, it always polite to ask, but is there any actual rules on this?

The start of every recent FW book or pdf says "these are 100% official and for standard 40k". The rule requiring your opponent's consent was removed years ago.

Damn, I didn't even know that. I have many of the the older IA books, but I have always been bothered that people never were perfectly okay with FW rules, even though they never read a single one of the books (that is probably why). I really should start lobbying more for FW rules as they are fluffy and interesting and have gorgeous models.


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 Anfauglir wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:


The start of every recent FW book or pdf says "these are 100% official and for standard 40k". The rule requiring your opponent's consent was removed years ago.

Then it is a bit sad that 'FW requires opponents consent' still gets touted a lot.

Yeah. That may be down to the contempt/jealousy factor mentioned by Samus. I for one would welcome the chance to face armies with FW models in them. They look great, and if they're painted nice and complement the fluff of the army/battle - even better!

I heartily agree, all the people I have ever seen who have purchased FW models, (including myself) have always tried to paint them to the highest standard so that they could use them in fluffy army lists. I can't really see anyone besides a small minority abusing the 5% broken FW rules.

Some people just don't want to play against Forgeworld models because it is an unknown factor. The rules are not easily obtainable as many game stores don't have copies of the already very expensive books on hand for people to look through, so while most people can become familiar with all of the codexes, even a basic Forgeworld tank can be a surprise. Forgeworld really needs a US based operation in order to bring the prices down and to be more widely available to people.

Personally, I like some of the more cosmetic options from Forgeworld. I'm going to use three Contemptor models as my Grey Knights Dreadnoughts because they look cool (and, in Apoc games, they can actually BE Contemptors, yay). I've also got the GK Land Raider Redeemer because it looks cool. And I have a Red Scorpions marine army. Why? Because it looks cool!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Some people just don't want to play against Forgeworld models because it is an unknown factor. The rules are not easily obtainable as many game stores don't have copies of the already very expensive books on hand for people to look through, so while most people can become familiar with all of the codexes, even a basic Forgeworld tank can be a surprise. Forgeworld really needs a US based operation in order to bring the prices down and to be more widely available to people.

Personally, I like some of the more cosmetic options from Forgeworld. I'm going to use three Contemptor models as my Grey Knights Dreadnoughts because they look cool (and, in Apoc games, they can actually BE Contemptors, yay). I've also got the GK Land Raider Redeemer because it looks cool. And I have a Red Scorpions marine army. Why? Because it looks cool!

I've only played a few games but I'm getting the hang of it against other races but I can see where your coming from about the different rules for a simple tank figurine.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Some people just don't want to play against Forgeworld models because it is an unknown factor. The rules are not easily obtainable as many game stores don't have copies of the already very expensive books on hand for people to look through, so while most people can become familiar with all of the codexes, even a basic Forgeworld tank can be a surprise. Forgeworld really needs a US based operation in order to bring the prices down and to be more widely available to people.

Personally, I like some of the more cosmetic options from Forgeworld. I'm going to use three Contemptor models as my Grey Knights Dreadnoughts because they look cool (and, in Apoc games, they can actually BE Contemptors, yay). I've also got the GK Land Raider Redeemer because it looks cool. And I have a Red Scorpions marine army. Why? Because it looks cool!

I really don't get this argument. I mean, I understand where it comes from, but surely people who use it must recognise that it's completely circular. People don't use Forgeworld because it's not considered "official" by their local group or because they don't want to deal with certain types of people saying "it's too rare and I can't be bothered to spend five minutes looking at your book", which combined with the cost makes Forgeworld rare, which drives other people to make the argument that it's too rare and that's not fair especially at tournaments, which leads other people to claim it isn't "official" because it's not in use at every single tournament, so people don't use Forgeworld.....etc etc ad nauseam.

Maybe if those aforementioned certain people would recognise that they're playing a game with little toy soldiers not a deadly serious competitive sport, and being beaten by an opponent because they have a unit that's unfamiliar isn't the final harbinger of the apocalypse, we could get past this slightly ludicrous stage where people keep trying to argue that rules published by a wholly-owned subsidiary of a company, which bear the logo of that company, which are featured in that company's magazine and on their website, and which explicitly state that they're official rules, are not official rules.

Although I must admit, I do quite enjoy the bare-faced hypocrisy on show when someone tries to tell me my FW units and characters aren't official because their rules aren't in the print codex, then whack down a Storm Talon or Dakkajet.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Some people just don't want to play against Forgeworld models because it is an unknown factor. The rules are not easily obtainable as many game stores don't have copies of the already very expensive books on hand for people to look through, so while most people can become familiar with all of the codexes, even a basic Forgeworld tank can be a surprise. Forgeworld really needs a US based operation in order to bring the prices down and to be more widely available to people.

Personally, I like some of the more cosmetic options from Forgeworld. I'm going to use three Contemptor models as my Grey Knights Dreadnoughts because they look cool (and, in Apoc games, they can actually BE Contemptors, yay). I've also got the GK Land Raider Redeemer because it looks cool. And I have a Red Scorpions marine army. Why? Because it looks cool!

I really don't get this argument. I mean, I understand where it comes from, but surely people who use it must recognise that it's completely circular. People don't use Forgeworld because it's not considered "official" by their local group or because they don't want to deal with certain types of people saying "it's too rare and I can't be bothered to spend five minutes looking at your book", which combined with the cost makes Forgeworld rare, which drives other people to make the argument that it's too rare and that's not fair especially at tournaments, which leads other people to claim it isn't "official" because it's not in use at every single tournament, so people don't use Forgeworld.....etc etc ad nauseam.

Maybe if those aforementioned certain people would recognise that they're playing a game with little toy soldiers not a deadly serious competitive sport, and being beaten by an opponent because they have a unit that's unfamiliar isn't the final harbinger of the apocalypse, we could get past this slightly ludicrous stage where people keep trying to argue that rules published by a wholly-owned subsidiary of a company, which bear the logo of that company, which are featured in that company's magazine and on their website, and which explicitly state that they're official rules, are not official rules.

Although I must admit, I do quite enjoy the bare-faced hypocrisy on show when someone tries to tell me my FW units and characters aren't official because their rules aren't in the print codex, then whack down a Storm Talon or Dakkajet.

I completely agree. The availability argument is invalid - currently, the models and rules for SoB are either less or exactly as available as any FW unit. And, of course, there are loads of rules in the game I don't know already - nobody in my group plays Tyranids, so I'd have to ask a lot of questions and check the codex if I came up against them, just like Death Korps. A good player should be able to deal with that. Saying that I should be expected to know the (out of print) Sisters rules, but not the in-print Tyrants Legion, is ridiculous....

To the OP - YES. The models are lovely, add character to the army, and generally the units are on-par with the codexes. Some are weaker, some are stronger, just like in the codexes, and while a few FW models are OP, the codexes themselves contain many more OP units....

 Peregrine wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Is there actually any official word on the status of Forgeworld rules? Why do they require your opponents consent to use while, say, Grey Knights don't? Sure, it always polite to ask, but is there any actual rules on this?

The start of every recent FW book or pdf says "these are 100% official and for standard 40k". The rule requiring your opponent's consent was removed years ago.

Not completely true, but you straw man any attempt to actually discuss this, so ill just note that you're leaving part of the quote out.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Some people just don't want to play against Forgeworld models because it is an unknown factor. The rules are not easily obtainable as many game stores don't have copies of the already very expensive books on hand for people to look through, so while most people can become familiar with all of the codexes, even a basic Forgeworld tank can be a surprise. Forgeworld really needs a US based operation in order to bring the prices down and to be more widely available to people.

Personally, I like some of the more cosmetic options from Forgeworld. I'm going to use three Contemptor models as my Grey Knights Dreadnoughts because they look cool (and, in Apoc games, they can actually BE Contemptors, yay). I've also got the GK Land Raider Redeemer because it looks cool. And I have a Red Scorpions marine army. Why? Because it looks cool!

I really don't get this argument. I mean, I understand where it comes from, but surely people who use it must recognise that it's completely circular. People don't use Forgeworld because it's not considered "official" by their local group or because they don't want to deal with certain types of people saying "it's too rare and I can't be bothered to spend five minutes looking at your book", which combined with the cost makes Forgeworld rare, which drives other people to make the argument that it's too rare and that's not fair especially at tournaments, which leads other people to claim it isn't "official" because it's not in use at every single tournament, so people don't use Forgeworld.....etc etc ad nauseam.

Maybe if those aforementioned certain people would recognise that they're playing a game with little toy soldiers not a deadly serious competitive sport, and being beaten by an opponent because they have a unit that's unfamiliar isn't the final harbinger of the apocalypse, we could get past this slightly ludicrous stage where people keep trying to argue that rules published by a wholly-owned subsidiary of a company, which bear the logo of that company, which are featured in that company's magazine and on their website, and which explicitly state that they're official rules, are not official rules.

Although I must admit, I do quite enjoy the bare-faced hypocrisy on show when someone tries to tell me my FW units and characters aren't official because their rules aren't in the print codex, then whack down a Storm Talon or Dakkajet.

I completely agree. The availability argument is invalid - currently, the models and rules for SoB are either less or exactly as available as any FW unit. And, of course, there are loads of rules in the game I don't know already - nobody in my group plays Tyranids, so I'd have to ask a lot of questions and check the codex if I came up against them, just like Death Korps. A good player should be able to deal with that. Saying that I should be expected to know the (out of print) Sisters rules, but not the in-print Tyrants Legion, is ridiculous....

To the OP - YES. The models are lovely, add character to the army, and generally the units are on-par with the codexes. Some are weaker, some are stronger, just like in the codexes, and while a few FW models are OP, the codexes themselves contain many more OP units....

Thanks. Just touching on the SoB I really do wish they would produce another codex. I am really wanting to get into building a formidable army with them but without a decent codex it seems rather pointless. Just saying.

I didn't say I agreed with the availability argument, I just said it's one I've come across before. I, personally, have no problems with Forgeworld being used in games I play.
Regarding SoB and models like the Stormtalon and Dakkajet, GW really needs to get off its butt and post those rules to their website. It's kind of hard for them to sell models without rules, I would think.

Sisters of Battle are even harder to sell since they're $17 for three for a minimum unit of 10...they need plastic models and a playable Codex before GW is going to sell any.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I didn't say I agreed with the availability argument, I just said it's one I've come across before. I, personally, have no problems with Forgeworld being used in games I play.
Regarding SoB and models like the Stormtalon and Dakkajet, GW really needs to get off its butt and post those rules to their website. It's kind of hard for them to sell models without rules, I would think.

I duno about you guys but I just cut the page out of the white dwarf regarding the stormtalon and just taped it in the back of my SM codex.

captain bloody fists wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I didn't say I agreed with the availability argument, I just said it's one I've come across before. I, personally, have no problems with Forgeworld being used in games I play.
Regarding SoB and models like the Stormtalon and Dakkajet, GW really needs to get off its butt and post those rules to their website. It's kind of hard for them to sell models without rules, I would think.

I duno about you guys but I just cut the page out of the white dwarf regarding the stormtalon and just taped it in the back of my SM codex.

I think what he means is that the rules for those units are in white dwarf, in issues that are no longer published.

 Doomhunter wrote:

captain bloody fists wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I didn't say I agreed with the availability argument, I just said it's one I've come across before. I, personally, have no problems with Forgeworld being used in games I play.
Regarding SoB and models like the Stormtalon and Dakkajet, GW really needs to get off its butt and post those rules to their website. It's kind of hard for them to sell models without rules, I would think.

I duno about you guys but I just cut the page out of the white dwarf regarding the stormtalon and just taped it in the back of my SM codex.

I think what he means is that the rules for those units are in white dwarf, in issues that are no longer published.

probably but i'm pretty sure you can get them off the GW site.


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no sorry i just checked and i thought it might be in the Errata & FAQ section.

Unfortunately, GW sells WD issues till they run out.

As a WD issue with legal rules, it naturally sells out quite fast.


I'm still always shocked that GW wouldn't keep printing those issues though. Lost chance to make money.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Unfortunately, GW sells WD issues till they run out.

As a WD issue with legal rules, it naturally sells out quite fast.


I'm still always shocked that GW wouldn't keep printing those issues though. Lost chance to make money.

Actually to think of it i really would like to get my hands on an old copy of WD about the Crimson Fists

Some shops have back issues and you can occasionally find them online.

Aside from that your best bet is someone that has an extensive collection of WD mags.

^ sadly i don't know that many people and i don't think they had it australia. from what i can gather it only appeared in the US & UK mags.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

nobody in my group plays Tyranids, so I'd have to ask a lot of questions and check the codex if I came up against them, just like Death Korps.

Funny thing, if anyone plays IG, you'll probably end up spending far less time looking at the Krieg rules than you would had you beel playing a Nids player for the first time.

Ignore me. I checked, and Stormtalon is not on the IBooks list.
Ork Bomma is, though.

13 page thread in the tournament area discussing Forge World

Discussion about can they, should they, are they allowed in standard games of 40k can get heated. My group uses them, some groups do not. Before you plunk down major $$$ on certain models, see if your group wants to play with them or if your FLGS allows them in their tournaments.

^i started this to find out if fordgeworld gear was worth the cost but it's sort of snowballed since.

The models are excellently sculpted and fun to paint/assemble (generally speaking).

The linked thread above has good discussion about their usefulness in regular games, although that focus was specifically on tournaments.

Every Forge World thread spirals into this discussion. It comes up every month or so.