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I'm a huge fan of Chaos, since 2nd ed and I can say that I'm not all that impressed with the new range.

The 2nd ed stuff had loads of character, but the 6th ed stuff is just... well... boring.

IMO, Chaos has the best fluff in the game. The Heresy, the long war against the Imperium has all been one of my faves. It would just be great to have models as good as the fluff.

Not since Abaddon, Fabius and Kharn has any Chaos model got me to go "yep... totally buying that."

I'm going to retunr to my first ever army, which was Dark Angels and rebuild my 3rd Company Army from the Battle of Piscina IV.

JoshInJapan wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Gnawer wrote:
I was collecting a Chaos army with plans to complete it once the new Chaos released. After looking at new sculpts, I'm now selling the models I got, even though it is already almost 75% of a playable army, most of it painted.

I liked to think of Chaos as of something not super evil and deformed, but rather a bunch of rogue space marines who would rather fight for their own causes than blindly obey the Emperor. Which of course is not true for older chaos legions, but newer warbands could be this way. The new art direction completely denies me this view, so I see no point in collecting Chaos anymore.

That being said, I wouldn't say it's that bad by itself. Personally I only like the Cultists though.

Conveniently, your bolded statement is why Chaos has sucked for the past 5 years. Thanks goodness we're done with this crap, because that's not Chaos.
While true Chaos players move onto the next codex, you should still keep playing with your bland, watered down Gavdex. Alternatively, if you want to play "renegades", go use a counts-as for a Space Marine codex since that's more what they'll be able to offer you to be honest.

I guess that makes me a Renegade Chaos player as well. I loathed the Slaves To Darkness/The Lost and The Damned-era renegades for being the John Blanche-inspired melted and deformed mistakes that they were. The 2nd Ed. Chaos Marines were an improvement, but in my eyes hindered by the "Got Gun? Paint It Red!" attitude of the era. It wasn't until the Marines got a resculpt that brought them closer to Loyalists that I finally thought they were worth building an army of. Now that they seem to be drifting back to the dark old days, I'm going to put them on the back burner and work on something else.

Lmfao, please do. How could you like Chaos and despise Slaves to Darkness? Also a lot of that art was Ian Miller's anyway, John Blanche didn't have much of a hand in that book.

Also your bolded. Of course you didn't like Slaves to Darkness or Lost and the Damned, you just wanted spikey (hurrrr) and emo Mureenz.
If you hate a truly disturbing aesthetic, that's your prerogative. But to think that the 2nd edition spikey marines were an improvement is pretty ridiculous. If you really just wanted evil marines, go play a space marine codex and glue on some spikes to your tacticals and assault marines.

And it's true, the old days were darker and much more disturbing. If you can't handle it, sucks for you, I've had to deal with crappy spikey marines forever and trawling trading websites for Rogue Trader Chaos stuff is expensive.
I for one welcome my disturbing, mutated, insane marine overlords. Have fun playing with your "Marines gone baaaaad".

The thing is, I'd hardly call the new Chaos marines "disturbing, mutated, and insane."

More like "Stuff" marines. They don't look mutated or insane, they just look incredibly cluttered and messy.

It's actually pretty amusing to read the website description of the new models. It's like a laundry list of random 'stuff,' and makes it feel as if everything was forced onto the model. "Look, guys! See, there's lots of chaos stuff on him! He's chaotic, get it!"

It also doesn't help that the posing isn't anything special compared to what we've seen before, even from the loyalists.

It's especially disappointing considering that the Chosen from Dark Vengeance actually looked pretty good. It suffered from many of the same flaws, but at least it wasn't so boring and toyetic about it.

 Fafnir wrote:
The thing is, I'd hardly call the new Chaos marines "disturbing, mutated, and insane."

More like "Stuff" marines. They don't look mutated or insane, they just look incredibly cluttered and messy.

It's actually pretty amusing to read the website description of the new models. It's like a laundry list of random 'stuff,' and makes it feel as if everything was forced onto the model. "Look, guys! See, there's lots of chaos stuff on him! He's chaotic, get it!"

It also doesn't help that the posing isn't anything special compared to what we've seen before, even from the loyalists.

It's especially disappointing considering that the Chosen from Dark Vengeance actually looked pretty good. It suffered from many of the same flaws, but at least it wasn't so boring and toyetic about it.

When I talk about the new direction for Chaos Marines, I noted that I'm talking about Dark Vengeance Chaos. That's what I'm looking for and what I want. For the first time in about 2 or so years, I have stopped caring about the absurd price of the Rogue Trader Chaos Marines and I'm getting a couple sets of the new Chosen to convert for my line troops.

I dislike the dragon, I dislike the maulerfiends and forgefiends. The difference is that I don't need that stuff to play Chaos Space Marines. I need CSM to do that, and if the models suck then I'm out of luck, hence why I've had to convert basically all of my marines hahaha

Granted the posing for DV Chaos is somewhat boring but they're all snapfit models so I can't complain too much.

Don't think I've posted in here yet (thought about it a few times), but I also dislike the new Power Ranger type models. I also was only a fan of a couple models from DV, and the only new models I like are the raptors. Everything else looks far too cartoony and seems to fail. I love my old school Noise Marines, with the daemonic heads, tongues sticking out and big skull faces on their guns, and I even like the previous edition CSM models, but these new ones...no. If I stick with CSM, I won't run any of the new toys, or I'd convert my own. They're butt-ugly. Some people will like them though. Hell, 1 out of every 3,400,000 people are crazy enough to like the Dreadknight, and these look slightly better. Not much, but slightly.


Does anyone else think that the Heldrake looks like it just got f*$ted by Paul Bunyon?

Don't like the hellbrute, the concept is good, but the pose is awful. One would look OK, but two would look stupid.
The helldrake looks like a rubber chicken, with some triangular wings stuck on. New wings and some sort of tail fins, would cure that.
hellfiend/mauler, no just no
GW have the sculptors, just look at the contempter dread or decimator demon engine.
They have the talent, so why turn out this dross.

I think the least impressive members of the new lineup belong to the Dragon / Mutilators, as others have said. In their company however are models like the new sorcerer, warp talons, and aspiring champion, which are all really awesome minis. I also love the look of the Hellbrute and think it beats the ever-living snot out of the old chaos dread design. The Forgefiends are cool, but I think for their role on the battlefield they are far too large and pose various problems (transport, LoS, etc) through that, much the same weaknesses as the old Defiler.

aka; great so I have a 12/12/10 model that is as big / bigger than some superheavies

wee

I loathe them. Don't get me wrong, they're a feat of modelling when you look at the technicals, but overall they're hideous.

Firstly, I don't think there have been enough people complaining about how busy the models are (as in, fewer than 100%). The worst part about the needless detail cluttering up everything is that there is no theme whatsoever. It looks like they took their old models, filled a box with random bones, hornes, SM bitz and whatever else they had lying around, covered the CSM with PVA glue, and dipped it in the box.

Are they supposed to be demonic? Are they supposed to be renegades? Are they supposed to be the new space barbarians? Are they supposed to be freakish mutants? Are they supposed to be warp-fueled monsters? It feels like GW just couldn't decide what the new theme of CSM would be, so it decided to do all of the themes simultaneously. The end result is awful.

Some of the new stuff may be salvageable with a lot of work with a knife removing some of the needless detail. In the end, I think I'll just stick with the khorne berzerker box. Starting with no detail and then adding a little bit of tasteful kitbashing with a single theme is much better than spending hours with a file and hobby knife attempting to create the same effect by removing junk.

I love the new Chaos Space Marines infantry, but I dislike the Mutilators, the Warpsmith and the Dragon thing. Ah well, I'll just buy the minis I like and not buy the ones I don't.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Lmfao, please do. How could you like Chaos and despise Slaves to Darkness? Also a lot of that art was Ian Miller's anyway, John Blanche didn't have much of a hand in that book.

Also your bolded. Of course you didn't like Slaves to Darkness or Lost and the Damned, you just wanted spikey (hurrrr) and emo Mureenz.
If you hate a truly disturbing aesthetic, that's your prerogative. But to think that the 2nd edition spikey marines were an improvement is pretty ridiculous. If you really just wanted evil marines, go play a space marine codex and glue on some spikes to your tacticals and assault marines.

And it's true, the old days were darker and much more disturbing. If you can't handle it, sucks for you, I've had to deal with crappy spikey marines forever and trawling trading websites for Rogue Trader Chaos stuff is expensive.
I for one welcome my disturbing, mutated, insane marine overlords. Have fun playing with your "Marines gone baaaaad".

Just what.....
This is a very rude statement, also, I think this is this perfect reason GW should make two different codices. One for Renegades and one for horribly mutated uglies that are unable to speak due to another arm instead of a tongue. It is cool to have like a unit of mutants, but the normal marines being that changed and deformed makes no sense whatsoever. A normal CSM is not a chaos spawn.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Lmfao, please do. How could you like Chaos and despise Slaves to Darkness? Also a lot of that art was Ian Miller's anyway, John Blanche didn't have much of a hand in that book.

Also your bolded. Of course you didn't like Slaves to Darkness or Lost and the Damned, you just wanted spikey (hurrrr) and emo Mureenz.
If you hate a truly disturbing aesthetic, that's your prerogative. But to think that the 2nd edition spikey marines were an improvement is pretty ridiculous. If you really just wanted evil marines, go play a space marine codex and glue on some spikes to your tacticals and assault marines.

And it's true, the old days were darker and much more disturbing. If you can't handle it, sucks for you, I've had to deal with crappy spikey marines forever and trawling trading websites for Rogue Trader Chaos stuff is expensive.
I for one welcome my disturbing, mutated, insane marine overlords. Have fun playing with your "Marines gone baaaaad".

I agree with most of what you said; Slaves to Darkness and The Lost and the Damned are fething amazing books, and I really disliked the 4th and 5th ed 'Marines Gone Bad' direction for Chaos.

That being said, there's no need to be so impolite, man. We're just talking about toy soldiers. Very expensive and cool looking toy soldiers with indepth backgrounds, but still toy soldiers none the less. As a great man once said, "For god's sake, they're man-dollies".

 Shredsmore wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Lmfao, please do. How could you like Chaos and despise Slaves to Darkness? Also a lot of that art was Ian Miller's anyway, John Blanche didn't have much of a hand in that book.

Also your bolded. Of course you didn't like Slaves to Darkness or Lost and the Damned, you just wanted spikey (hurrrr) and emo Mureenz.
If you hate a truly disturbing aesthetic, that's your prerogative. But to think that the 2nd edition spikey marines were an improvement is pretty ridiculous. If you really just wanted evil marines, go play a space marine codex and glue on some spikes to your tacticals and assault marines.

And it's true, the old days were darker and much more disturbing. If you can't handle it, sucks for you, I've had to deal with crappy spikey marines forever and trawling trading websites for Rogue Trader Chaos stuff is expensive.
I for one welcome my disturbing, mutated, insane marine overlords. Have fun playing with your "Marines gone baaaaad".

Just what.....
This is a very rude statement, also, I think this is this perfect reason GW should make two different codices. One for Renegades and one for horribly mutated uglies that are unable to speak due to another arm instead of a tongue. It is cool to have like a unit of mutants, but the normal marines being that changed and deformed makes no sense whatsoever. A normal CSM is not a chaos spawn.

Okay first of all that's a really cool idea for a model, thank you! This is why I enjoy Chaos, you get fun stuff like that.

And again to be totally honest, if you want to play Renegades then play a counts-as Space Marine codex. I'm dead serious dude and I mean that in as nice a way as possible. This new Chaos codex most likely won't work too well for Renegades, considering that over the course of the game champions and lords are going to mutate and gain chaotic attributes.
You can perfectly play any kind of Renegade Marine army with a Space Marine codex, but let's not confuse them with "Chaos" because they're not.

Marines that have been in the Eye of Terror for thousands of years should be horribly demented and twisted, even the "normal" ones. Now perhaps they won't be as "touched" as the champions, but they will certainly not look the same. They still have some knowledge of what they've done and been through, but being in that kind of environment for that long will certainly do something to you!

I agree they're all pretty horrible models, with the "good" ones really just mediocre (but good in comparison to the truly awful).

Helldrake...are there words to describe just how bad that model is?

The Fiends...eh. They're not Helldrake or Mutilator level bad but, they're certainly not awe inspiring. I think my main criticism is they are just so static.

The raptors are O.K. I suppose, but the old ones were far better. Why not just do a resculpt/re-release of them?

I find it very ironic that people love the warpsmith, but love the direction of CSM moving away from "marines with spikes!" Seriously the warpsmith is a techmarine...with chaos bitz.

Totally agree about the business of all the models. That dark apostle is just horrible with the scrolls covering his body and the goofy, massive chaos halo.

The funny thing is I don't even mind that I dislike the new models, because I honestly wouldn't have included any in my Death Guard army. The sad part is that there is no new sculpts for cult troops or special characters.

I was going to start a small alpha legion force to use with my guard from time to time. Loved the idea of them deceiving and tricking loyalist forces into working for them. Not to mention that they trained their underlings in guerrilla warfare and tactics instead of just making them meatshields.

Then I saw the new models... Whelp, there goes that plan.

Long story short, too much crap, not enough god@#$% sense.

It is literally spikes for the spiek god, needless details for the needless detail throne. Heck, I hated the Cadian models for being "plain" but they look like friggin masterpieces compared to these train wrecks. At least there they knew where to stop. Here, they literally kept adding details until there was NOWHERE left to add it to.

If I ever get around to that Alpha legion force, it'll have to be converted from regular space marines, or even from the MKII and other older variants forgeworld makes. These new models just make my eyes bleed. And probably my hands too if I ever tried to hold one.

Also, is anyone else thinking they'll pour all their firepower into the chaos flyer as soon as possible just so they don't have to stare at such a hideous model on the table? Because I know I will be.

I like it all. Maybe I'm just weird, though I do like some things more than others.

I don't get the hate directed at the extra details. I did mention that the cultists were my fav of the new models, but I can see the bright side of having a lot of detail molded onto the mini.

First off, there is the option to just not pick out the details or use atmospheric effects like OSL over them, you know blend the colors together on the mini, that will make them look a lot less busy than the GW paintjob. There are some great hellbrute paintjobs appearing that really make it look cool. You don't need to color in the lines like GW does when they paint.

Second, if you are very much into painting but not so much into converting/building then the models are awesome, they are pre-made with all the bits to look cool, and there is a lot of different areas to practice or demonstrate your painting skills on.

If you're not into painting the models will still look cool and dynamic if you just do something like wash + drybrushing...

I wouldn't use a lot of the models as-is. But the bits are a goldmine, especially those warp talons. If you don't like so much busy-ness, just grab the bits later and add them to normal dudes, or get the cheap DV models and chop off parts you want to use. It's easier than buying a whole new model and chopping/sawing all the extra bits off... which is ridiculous as you would pretty much need to sculpt a whole new model.


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I was going to start a small alpha legion force to use with my guard from time to time. Loved the idea of them deceiving and tricking loyalist forces into working for them. Not to mention that they trained their underlings in guerrilla warfare and tactics instead of just making them meatshields.

Then I saw the new models... Whelp, there goes that plan.

I would suggest: Blood angels with guard allies. With BA you can get outflanking fast tanks, scouts, deepstriking/drop pod guys. With guard, you can get sentinels, marbo, could use cultists for models, and use other cool stuff.

Second, if you are very much into painting but not so much into converting/building then the models are awesome, they are pre-made with all the bits to look cool, and there is a lot of different areas to practice or demonstrate your painting skills on.

Not really. When I'm converting, it's the more generic, plain parts that I like using as a base. Too much extra crap makes it too hard to properly convert into anything good, and makes the parts too iconic to be inconspicuous with the rest of the conversion. For the purposes of painting, if you really want to show off your skills, you actually want models that aren't incredibly busy and messy, to show off freehanding and blending.

 Fafnir wrote:

Not really. When I'm converting, it's the more generic, plain parts that I like using as a base. Too much extra crap makes it too hard to properly convert into anything good,

Yeah use the models for parts. Chop off a head here and there, use a shoulder pad. Those DV backpacks are awesome for true scale stuff.

For the purposes of painting, if you really want to show off your skills, you actually want models that aren't incredibly busy and messy, to show off freehanding and blending.

Yeah the dark vengeance models all have flat areas to paint on. The lord has a cloak as well. Also you can do a great paintjob on any surface, the edges of armor plate you can do NMM on, you can experiment with different textures and lighting sources, etc. My point was that in one model you can show off painting metal, bone, fabric, glowing weapons, runes, organic eyes and such.... the sky is the limit.

check out this hellbrute, pretty awesome.

It's an amazing paintjob, but the model is still ugly as sin.

 Fafnir wrote:
It's an amazing paintjob, but the model is still ugly as sin.

I agree with you a little bit. But only because the sculpt is not my style. Many people like it.. the pose is dynamic and balanced, the detail is crisp, etc. If I were to do one of these I think I would need to make it Nurgle Again I never said the aesthetics are my thing, just that I don't necessarily disagree with the excessive detail. Having that amount of detail created in plastic molds for cheap is ultimately a boon for converters.

I have to disagree. All my best conversions were done using models that were simple to start with.

 Fafnir wrote:
I have to disagree. All my best conversions were done using models that were simple to start with.

Yes, as a base. But lets say you are converting up some true scale chaos guys. You build your own body from a simple base or kit, but then you add stuff like the dark vengeance backpacks, cool looking helmets/shoulder pads/weapons and choice bits, all of which go along with your theme and to your taste. All of that can be mined from the new kits. My point is that they are so cheap, and are literally crammed with so much stuff, you can buy them and chop off bits for awhile, or just buy the bits online. I can eventually do this, using a true-scale chapterhouse marine body (or just built from terminator parts) and adding on bits from the DV kits to add detail in areas, but also making it less busy and forming into the pose I want.

I'm doing it with the cultists now. I just remix the heads and body parts over and over with different other kits. They are really the least busy-looking out of the new range, but I still end up cutting off some of their chaos necklaces and throwing stars. It doesn't bother me too much in the end.

I LOVE the new art direction for Chaos. I love Chaos Warriors, but have always felt the Chaos miniatures in 40k were a bit lackluster. No more. If these new releases were out when I was thinking about what army to collect next, I would have chosen Chaos for sure.

Fafnir wrote:It's an amazing paintjob, but the model is still ugly as sin.

Yup. That's a great attempt at painting over an awful model. And that's really the point. Good models look good no matter how you paint them. Bad models need GD-level paint jobs to make them look even passable, much less good.

As for "spiky marines", I actually liked that motif. I mean, CSM ARE SM, that have just changed sides. In my mind, the two model ranges should actually look rather similar to each other, like how SW models are different, but still pretty similar to codex marines. The same basic thing with a little flare or a single theme to make them distinct is great.

Which is much better than now. The new models seem to have little resemblance with their SM counterparts, and this is actually one of my chief complaints. It's hard to tell that they're wearing power armor, rather than just some generic heavy suit of plate mail. I look at the lord and I don't see a power weapon and a plasma pistol, I see a sword with a bunch of runes on it and some half-flesh, half-metal something that vaguely resembles a pistol. They're not chaos SPACE MARINES, they're CHAOS, with some vague overtones to a space marine army. Instead of crazy hellbrute, they should have had a corrupted dreadnought. Instead of some crazy dragon thing, they should have had a corrupted storm talon. Instead of a bunch of crazy demon warp engine things, well, you get the point.

Having some things that are completely different than SM is fine (obliterators are tastefully done, for example), but CSM really doesn't make sense without the SM. The new models look just too different.

And then you return to the world of aesthetics. I think that spikey marines are way, way better than the bone-in-the-beard, tentacles everywhere, horny marines. It added content while muddling the content over all. It added detail while losing subtlety. I don't know what I'm looking at anymore, and not in a good way.

 Meade wrote:
I don't get the hate directed at the extra details. I did mention that the cultists were my fav of the new models, but I can see the bright side of having a lot of detail molded onto the mini.

First off, there is the option to just not pick out the details or use atmospheric effects like OSL over them, you know blend the colors together on the mini, that will make them look a lot less busy than the GW paintjob. There are some great hellbrute paintjobs appearing that really make it look cool. You don't need to color in the lines like GW does when they paint.

Second, if you are very much into painting but not so much into converting/building then the models are awesome, they are pre-made with all the bits to look cool, and there is a lot of different areas to practice or demonstrate your painting skills on.

If you're not into painting the models will still look cool and dynamic if you just do something like wash + drybrushing...

I wouldn't use a lot of the models as-is. But the bits are a goldmine, especially those warp talons. If you don't like so much busy-ness, just grab the bits later and add them to normal dudes, or get the cheap DV models and chop off parts you want to use. It's easier than buying a whole new model and chopping/sawing all the extra bits off... which is ridiculous as you would pretty much need to sculpt a whole new model.

because it doesnt look good and it's annoying to build and even more annoying to paint. that dark apostle is a good example... Just look at that thing.. i think i would rather jab a knife in my eye than build/paint that. I feel sorry for the pro painters they pay to paint their stuff.

Even worse look at the 360 of that new aspiring champion. he doesnt even have any range of motion on his left shoulder because his shoulder bling is locked into his backpack. GW is so dead set on stuffing all this crapy looking detail everywhere the models look like they cant even move anymore.

i think the only ones impressed are the 10-12 year olds. they see all the bling and go OMG SO COOL MOMMY BUY IT FOR ME. then they go home spend an hour dumping plastic glue all over everything before giving up and going back to playing video games.

They should leave it up to the modeler. if i feel something needs more details i can add free hand/decals or i can just glue on THE EXTRA BITS THEY INCLUDE IN THE KITS.

and that hellbrute you posted... i hope you realize the guy who painted that probably spent 16-24 hours just painting that OSL and free hand on the upper plates. He also probably charged 1000 or more just for that paint job.

I SHUDDER TO THINK WHAT EVEN A BASIC TACTICAL MARINE WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN GW DECIDES TO REDO THEM. Im guessing 16-24 imperial eagles per model.

edit: oh and no less than 34 purity seals

kb305 wrote:Even worse look at the 360 of that new aspiring champion. he doesnt even have any range of motion on his left shoulder because his shoulder bling is locked into his backpack. GW is so dead set on stuffing all this crapy looking detail everywhere the models look like they cant even move anymore.

Actually, this is my chief complaint about the hellbrute.

You see how that spot right below his left armpit is sprouting a nest of horns? How would he ever put his left arm down? In fact, how could he ever do anything with that arm, other than hold it in that exact position without ramming into them all the time?

The picture of the Obliterator on page 17 of the ol' 3.0 Chaos codex is the very picture that made me want to play 40k.

I said to may friends "What is that thing?! I want an army of those!" Then I saw the actual models and stuck with the Space Marines I had already started collecting.

The newer Oblits and their derpy cousins are absolute garbage. I hate the new Chaos line.

Of all the new chaos stuff I like the Cultists and the DV Lord. A few of the DV Chosen would make good champions but with the direction GW has taken I don't think I'll be buying much for a few years.

Dragon and Fiend(s) look ugly and do not fit into my EC army.

Which is much better than now. The new models seem to have little resemblance with their SM counterparts, and this is actually one of my chief complaints. It's hard to tell that they're wearing power armor, rather than just some generic heavy suit of plate mail. I look at the lord and I don't see a power weapon and a plasma pistol, I see a sword with a bunch of runes on it and some half-flesh, half-metal something that vaguely resembles a pistol. They're not chaos SPACE MARINES, they're CHAOS, with some vague overtones to a space marine army. Instead of crazy hellbrute, they should have had a corrupted dreadnought. Instead of some crazy dragon thing, they should have had a corrupted storm talon. Instead of a bunch of crazy demon warp engine things, well, you get the point.

There's always that option of putting spikes and skulls on your space marines, painting them a different color, and using the actual Space Marine Codex with your counts as renegade army. Because that's what it really sounds like you want.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Which is much better than now. The new models seem to have little resemblance with their SM counterparts, and this is actually one of my chief complaints. It's hard to tell that they're wearing power armor, rather than just some generic heavy suit of plate mail. I look at the lord and I don't see a power weapon and a plasma pistol, I see a sword with a bunch of runes on it and some half-flesh, half-metal something that vaguely resembles a pistol. They're not chaos SPACE MARINES, they're CHAOS, with some vague overtones to a space marine army. Instead of crazy hellbrute, they should have had a corrupted dreadnought. Instead of some crazy dragon thing, they should have had a corrupted storm talon. Instead of a bunch of crazy demon warp engine things, well, you get the point.

There's always that option of putting spikes and skulls on your space marines, painting them a different color, and using the actual Space Marine Codex with your counts as renegade army. Because that's what it really sounds like you want.

There are some posters on here, suggesting to other players. That if they're not happy with the new models, to use the spacemarine codex.
As if their vision of a chaos army is somehow inferior, I.E. just renegades.

I would suggest that if they require malformed models to feel chaotic, That they play chaos deamons and take some chaos marines as allies.

Now lets all be nice to each other.