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Me and a friend are arguing because I thought you could use a Wizard as a general but he says that, in the general section of the rulebook, it says that he is a character to keep order amongst the army and also the wizards, so it can't be a wizard. Sorry I didnt quote it, I am to lazy to go look at it right now, but I know it is along those lines.

Absolutely can be. Sometimes he has to be- consider the Vampire Counts, whose general *must* know the lore of vampires.

Why on earth couldn't a wizard be a general?

Look back to the grandfather of modern fantasy, Tolkein. If Gandalf wasn't the leader of the good guys, I don't know who was!

 Vulcan wrote:
Why on earth couldn't a wizard be a general?

Look back to the grandfather of modern fantasy, Tolkein. If Gandalf wasn't the leader of the good guys, I don't know who was!

Frodo?

-Matt

Dartdon wrote:
Me and a friend are arguing because I thought you could use a Wizard as a general but he says that, in the general section of the rulebook, it says that he is a character to keep order amongst the army and also the wizards, so it can't be a wizard. Sorry I didnt quote it, I am to lazy to go look at it right now, but I know it is along those lines.

The only rule about who can be a general is that it must be the character with the highest LD in the army, unless there is some rule in the army book that says otherwise.

What about armies that only have a wizard for their characters?

Flavor text does not dictate rules at all.

HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
Why on earth couldn't a wizard be a general?

Look back to the grandfather of modern fantasy, Tolkein. If Gandalf wasn't the leader of the good guys, I don't know who was!

Frodo?

-Matt

Frodo made three decisions the whole trilogy. 1) To carry the ring to Mordor; 2) To split from the group; 3) To use Gollum as a guide. The rest of the story, he was following someone else the whole time - Gandalf, Aragorn, or Samwise. Add in that he missed ALL the large battles ...

Aerethan has it right. There is one restriction on who can be the general. It must be the eligible character with the highest Leadership score. (There are a few characters that are prohibited from being the general, like Dark Elf Assassins.)

And (most) BSBs.

 HoverBoy wrote:
And (most) BSBs.

That rule is listed under the BSB restrictions iirc, not the General restrictions.

That one is subject to some argument. There are people that think that if the BSB has the highest Leadership in the army, that disqualifies them from being the BSB, as opposed to those who think the BSB is removed from the equation entirely.

The rule is rather clear the BSB can't be the general without specific permission, LD has nothing to do with it.

 Vulcan wrote:
That one is subject to some argument. There are people that think that if the BSB has the highest Leadership in the army, that disqualifies them from being the BSB, as opposed to those who think the BSB is removed from the equation entirely.

There is no rule that says a BSB can't have the highest Ld in the army.

A BSB can't be a general, a Wizard can provided he has the highest leadership or equal to the highest.

If you took only a wizard then you super 100% could, as he would be your only option for general.

BSB's are only hero's (not lords) in almost all books, and almost always costs 25 points. The general is the character with the highest leadership in your army, so if your playing a small game or a tournament with limited comp, then you could technically be the BSB and general in one character.

bRianStorm wrote:
BSB's are only hero's (not lords) in almost all books, and almost always costs 25 points. The general is the character with the highest leadership in your army, so if your playing a small game or a tournament with limited comp, then you could technically be the BSB and general in one character.

Um no, cuz the rules say so. Now there are a couple of exceptions to this but they are expressly stated as such, if the highest LD character is a BSB you skip him and move on to the next guy available.

The BSB rules say they cannot be the General unless they have a specific exemption. Such as Slann have.

To clarify: the rules usually say something like, "One Heroe X, Y, or Z may be upgraded to carry the Battle Standard for +25pts. He may not be the army general".

Since you need a general, and your BSB can't be one, a list with its one and only character with the BSB upgrade is illegal.

Warpsolution wrote:
To clarify: the rules usually say something like, "One Heroe X, Y, or Z may be upgraded to carry the Battle Standard for +25pts. He may not be the army general".

Since you need a general, and your BSB can't be one, a list with its one and only character with the BSB upgrade is illegal.

Also it's impossible to have a Bretonnian army with only one character, as the army must have a BSB.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:
That one is subject to some argument. There are people that think that if the BSB has the highest Leadership in the army, that disqualifies them from being the BSB, as opposed to those who think the BSB is removed from the equation entirely.

There is no rule that says a BSB can't have the highest Ld in the army.

But there is a rule that says the model with the highest Ld in the army must be the general.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. My low-point DE armies often have LD 8 sorceressess as generals, with LD 9 master or death hag BSBs. I'm just pointing out the argument.

iirc exclusive rules trump inclusive rules.

Specific trumps General.

The General is the highest Ld character in your army: General

BSB's cannot be the General unless explicitly allowed: Specific