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Do they?

Page 69 has your answer.

Left Column, 1st graph, 3rd sentence.

Call me..maybe at 215-257- get the rulebook

Thanks I found it.

What a shame, because Psychic Shriek is just silly if you roll a 6 to hit.

 Brometheus wrote:
What a shame, because Psychic Shriek is just silly if you roll a 6 to hit.

Why is that?

It hits once but deals multiple wounds, If you roll a 6 To Hit with a Character...

It can deal multiple wounds, but about half the time it hits it does nothing.

I think the point was a character doing Precision shots with all those wounds.

Fragile wrote:
I think the point was a character doing Precision shots with all those wounds.

All what wounds?

You successfully cast the power about 90% of the time on a LD 10, barring additional die abilities, then they get a 6+,5+ or 4+ to deny the witch, then you only hit 66% of the time with a BS 4, and you only get to use precise shot 16.66% of the time, and then they need to fail a LD test at LD 7-10 (most units have a 7,8,9, or 10 LD) and if the unit has a LD of 10 then you will do nothing 1/2 the time, as the 3D6 roll will be 10 or less about 50% of the time.

The power only works if none of those rolls fail.

It is not something to expect to happen in most games.

You can't Precision shot abilities that effects an entire unit.

You can however position your self closest to the model you wish to snipe (which may be a multi-wound model) and force it to take the wounds first or Look Out Sir.

 Prodromus wrote:
You can't Precision shot abilities that effects an entire unit.

You can however position your self closest to the model you wish to snipe (which may be a multi-wound model) and force it to take the wounds first or Look Out Sir.

If any of your character's shots roll a 6 To Hit, these are Precision Shots. Wounds from Precision Shots are allocated against a model (or models) of your choice in the target unit, as long as it is in range, rather than following the normal rules for Wound allocation.

Psychic Shriek is a witchfire power with a range of 12". Roll 3d6 and subtract the target's Leadership -- the target unit suffers a number of Wounds equal to the result.

Witchfire powers are often referred to as psychic shooting attacks. Manifesting witchfire counts as firing an Assault weapon (unless otherwise noted). A witchfire power must roll To Hit, ....


Characters can allocate this power on a 6 to hit.

Your arguing an irrelevant point DR.

The point being that it is not something that is going to have much of an effect in about 96 castings out of 100.

 DeathReaper wrote:
The point being that it is not something that is going to have much of an effect in about 96 castings out of 100.

The post was addressing specificly those 4 out of 100 times it does work and just how sick it could potentially be.

yes about 4% of the time that power is extremely powerful.

And about 75% of the time the power does nothing at all.

It depends greatly on your BS, LD, and target.

My Terv has about a 38% chance for it to go off. Rolling a 10.5 LD on average with 3d6.

12% of the time it will be a 6, rolling an average of 10.5 LD on 3d6.

So yes, a roughly 60% chance of failure and only a 6% chance of rolling a 6 and getting a 10 or higher for Precision. Those odds go down with targeting Psykers, Runes, etc....

Yea, I went with BS4, as that is probably the most common. Anything less would give even worse results.

But, while rare, nothing stops the Character from Precision strikes with those wounds when it does actually succeed.

Combo psychic shriek with a guard psyker battle squad and when it does work it kills everything. "oh hello leadership two squad of [insert thing about to be mind raped here] I'm going to kill you all now"

 White Ninja wrote:
Combo psychic shriek with a guard psyker battle squad and when it does work it kills everything. "oh hello leadership two squad of [insert thing about to be mind raped here] I'm going to kill you all now"

And then cry when you roll all 1's...

Or cry when you expose that PBS and they get blown to bits

PBS is pretty easy to use, since you only need LoS from one model.

Turn 1: Fire from chimera.
Turn 2: Peek one model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Turn 3: Peek next model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Repeat!

Pyrian wrote:
PBS is pretty easy to use, since you only need LoS from one model.

Turn 1: Fire from chimera.
Turn 2: Peek one model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Turn 3: Peek next model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Repeat!

It's like a turn counter, only it counts backwards.

It's decent enough if:
1) Your psyker is Ld10
2) Your psyker is BS4
3) You're targeting a non-psyker (to limit deny the witch)
4) You're targeting a Ld9 or worse unit.

I did see a trio of zoanthropes drop in an assassinate a whole squad of terminators with a trio of psychic shrieks.
Each shriek has a ~50% chance of passing the Ld, passing the deny the witch, and making the to hit roll. Then it's just the 3D6 vs leadership, which isn't all that bad against 9, and pretty good vs 8.

-Matt

Pyrian wrote:
PBS is pretty easy to use, since you only need LoS from one model.

Turn 1: Fire from chimera.
Turn 2: Peek one model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Turn 3: Peek next model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Repeat!

Well not so much. Your forgetting that Shriek is 12" range. Which greatly narrows its ability. Weaken Resolve is not listed as a PSA, therefore it cannot use a Fire point to use it, so they must exit the vehicle. Also they are only T3 models so if they are in the vehicle when it blows up, odds are you will lose most of them.

The Primaris Psyker is decently protectable being an IC, but still suffers from the fact he must get to within 12" and not be locked in combat to use his power.

Fragile wrote:
Your forgetting that Shriek is 12" range.

I don't see what that has to do with the PBS, whose range is 36".

Fragile wrote:
Weaken Resolve is not listed as a PSA, therefore it cannot use a Fire point to use it, so they must exit the vehicle. Also they are only T3 models so if they are in the vehicle when it blows up, odds are you will lose most of them.

Good points, so they don't start in a vehicle. You're still looking at exposing one model a turn.

Fragile wrote:
The Primaris Psyker is decently protectable being an IC, but still suffers from the fact he must get to within 12" and not be locked in combat to use his power.

Seems to me that this guy is the weak point of the combo, but its worth noting that while Psychic Shriek is a lot less powerful without Weaken Resolve, the PBS is still useful without the Primaris.

Pyrian wrote:

Fragile wrote:
Your forgetting that Shriek is 12" range.

I don't see what that has to do with the PBS, whose range is 36".

Fragile wrote:
Weaken Resolve is not listed as a PSA, therefore it cannot use a Fire point to use it, so they must exit the vehicle. Also they are only T3 models so if they are in the vehicle when it blows up, odds are you will lose most of them.

Good points, so they don't start in a vehicle. You're still looking at exposing one model a turn.

Fragile wrote:
The Primaris Psyker is decently protectable being an IC, but still suffers from the fact he must get to within 12" and not be locked in combat to use his power.

Seems to me that this guy is the weak point of the combo, but its worth noting that while Psychic Shriek is a lot less powerful without Weaken Resolve, the PBS is still useful without the Primaris.

Correct, the issue i was talking about was how effective the combo of Shriek plus Weaken Resolve was.

Fragile wrote:

Pyrian wrote:
PBS is pretty easy to use, since you only need LoS from one model.

Turn 1: Fire from chimera.
Turn 2: Peek one model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Turn 3: Peek next model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Repeat!

Well not so much. Your forgetting that Shriek is 12" range. Which greatly narrows its ability. Weaken Resolve is not listed as a PSA, therefore it cannot use a Fire point to use it, so they must exit the vehicle. Also they are only T3 models so if they are in the vehicle when it blows up, odds are you will lose most of them.

The Primaris Psyker is decently protectable being an IC, but still suffers from the fact he must get to within 12" and not be locked in combat to use his power.

Weaken resolve isn't 12" however so the guys can be quite far out, and i'm pretty sure when he said shooting out he meant soulstorm.
Either way an allied psyker with shriek can have a bike or jetpack and pretty good armor to go with the mind-raping potential.

 HoverBoy wrote:

Fragile wrote:

Pyrian wrote:
PBS is pretty easy to use, since you only need LoS from one model.

Turn 1: Fire from chimera.
Turn 2: Peek one model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Turn 3: Peek next model out from behind wrecked chimera.
Repeat!

Well not so much. Your forgetting that Shriek is 12" range. Which greatly narrows its ability. Weaken Resolve is not listed as a PSA, therefore it cannot use a Fire point to use it, so they must exit the vehicle. Also they are only T3 models so if they are in the vehicle when it blows up, odds are you will lose most of them.

The Primaris Psyker is decently protectable being an IC, but still suffers from the fact he must get to within 12" and not be locked in combat to use his power.

Weaken resolve isn't 12" however so the guys can be quite far out, and i'm pretty sure when he said shooting out he meant soulstorm.
Either way an allied psyker with shriek can have a bike or jetpack and pretty good armor to go with the mind-raping potential.

Yes, WR is 36", but we were referring to this combo...

Combo psychic shriek with a guard psyker battle squad and when it does work it kills everything. "oh hello leadership two squad of [insert thing about to be mind raped here] I'm going to kill you all now"

so I assumed he was "shooting" with the WR, which doesnt quite work.

Here are the odds with a LD 10 Caster, BS4 against LD 10 unit

5 wounds 4.7%
4 wounds 8.25%
3 wounds 13.2%
2 wounds 19.09%
1 wound 25.46%

Chance of rolling a 6 to hit and causing 1 wound is 6.36%

This is before cover and Inv saves. You have a 55.5% chance of causing 1 wound with a Plasma pistol or Melta gun, but you have zero chance of harming multiple models with those guns.

Chance of rolling 6 with Melta/Plasma pistol 13.89%