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 lord_blackfang wrote:


Yes. 1 Blastmaster at 10 guys, 2 at 20.

You can take the FNP Icon.

Model per model.

Champion by RAW cannot have a Sonic Blaster, nor a basic CCW for that matter.


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 Vaktathi wrote:
Predators, anything up with them?

Base cost up a bit, weapon upgrades down a bit. I'll ignore the rest of your questions since they've been known for ages.

Thank-you kindly!

I hope there's a way around the champion issue... I really, really would hate to have to shelve the one I've converted using bitz from about a dozen different kits!

Is there a new type of Land Raider and if yes which weapons does it have?

Oh! Is there some sort of Drop Pod?

 Vaktathi wrote:
What are Havoc costs like relative to say...Long Fangs?

As a side note, Predators, anything up with them?

To equate approximately with the current CSM's, is a 10man squad with a pfist champ and 2 flamers and CCW's, sporting a basic Icon and VotLW and a Rhino still ~240ish points?

I'm sad Reaper Autocannons are the same, they're grossly overcosted and limited in availability :(

They're definitely costed way better then before. Most of the LF configurations are cheaper but Chaos now have the cheapest Lascannon heavy weapon squad in the game. They're also the same points as a normal CSM with the same options.

Chaos preds base cost is a bit higher then the Loyalist versions, but have cheaper weapon upgrades. They have a more expensive dakkapred but a very cheap full las pred.

 Shadox wrote:
Is there a new type of Land Raider and if yes which weapons does it have?

No, that was just trolling. Same with all the Apostle powers, Helbrute Marks, etc.

 Shadox wrote:
Is there a new type of Land Raider and if yes which weapons does it have?

Nope.


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Dandruff wrote:
Oh! Is there some sort of Drop Pod?

Nope too.

Wow, my Slaaneshy Biker squad gained FNP and still went down 45 pts.

FallenAfh wrote:


They cost more. Have to pay extra to exchange for autoguns. Only the champion gets to buy a shotgun (also only option), and the only special weapons available to the normal cultists are the heavy stubber and flamer. And they get to take marks for cheaper then normal CSM do.

Does this mean there are more 'elite/special' cultist squads which get access to more than just those two weapons? if so, is it dependent on mark?

How does the scourge work?

 Anpu42 wrote:
How does the scourge work?

Scourge is a powerfist that deducts d3 from adjoining WS of enemies


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 Garuss Acine wrote:

FallenAfh wrote:


They cost more. Have to pay extra to exchange for autoguns. Only the champion gets to buy a shotgun (also only option), and the only special weapons available to the normal cultists are the heavy stubber and flamer. And they get to take marks for cheaper then normal CSM do.

Does this mean there are more 'elite/special' cultist squads which get access to more than just those two weapons? if so, is it dependent on mark?

Only one type of cultist squad, found in troops. Typhus gets super cultists which cannot get more options, but do not cost more.

 Garuss Acine wrote:

FallenAfh wrote:


They cost more. Have to pay extra to exchange for autoguns. Only the champion gets to buy a shotgun (also only option), and the only special weapons available to the normal cultists are the heavy stubber and flamer. And they get to take marks for cheaper then normal CSM do.

Does this mean there are more 'elite/special' cultist squads which get access to more than just those two weapons? if so, is it dependent on mark?

Nope, there's only one cultist entry in the codex. On the other hand Typhus upgrades a vanilla squad to zombies for free.

Can any model (or specifically just units from Codex: Daemons) deep strike off icons?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'll ignore the rest of your questions since they've been known for ages.

Sorry I can't keep abreast of every single thing rumored in several thousand posts worth of conversation... I apparently found the one thing that couldn't be re-stated




Man I wish 4chan weren't blocked at work....

How many points are thousand sons, and what are the options for the aspiring sorcerer in terms of how many powers they get and what they can choose from?

Can cultists take marks?

What weapons do the heldrake come with?

ThatEdGuy wrote:
Can any model (or specifically just units from Codex: Daemons) deep strike off icons?

Nobody. There is only one teleport homer type thing in the Codex and it's a Chaos Artefact.


Breaking news: Obliterators Ld8, not Fearless.

Ozomoto wrote:
How many points are thousand sons, and what are the options for the aspiring sorcerer in terms of how many powers they get and what they can choose from?

Can cultists take marks?

What weapons do the heldrake come with?

1ksons are same points though champ is two points cheaper than before. They have few options though can get soulblaze.

Cultists can get marks but no icons

Heldrake can get one hades auto cannon or the balefire thingy.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

ThatEdGuy wrote:
Can any model (or specifically just units from Codex: Daemons) deep strike off icons?

Nobody. There is only one teleport homer type thing in the Codex and it's a Chaos Artefact.


Breaking news: Obliterators Ld8, not Fearless.

edit, thought daemon caused fearless, they just cause fear.

 lazarian wrote:

Oblits are daemons, thus fearless.

Might wanna re-check that

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 lazarian wrote:

Oblits are daemons, thus fearless.

Might wanna re-check that

word yeah saw that, thought fear gave them fearless.

Ozomoto wrote:
How many points are thousand sons, and what are the options for the aspiring sorcerer in terms of how many powers they get and what they can choose from?

Can cultists take marks?

What weapons do the heldrake come with?

Same as before, lost the sorceror commands but gets veterans of the long war standard. Sorcerer only has 1 master level and since is Tzeench marked, must pick his power from the Tzeencth table. On the other hand he's slightly cheaper and doesn't have to pay for his power. May take a gift of mutation/meltabombs.

Cultists can take marks for cheaper then normal CSM.

Helldrake comes with the Hades Autocannon, and can exchange for the bale flamer for free.

Can the heldrake and the helfiend get marks?

Ozomoto wrote:
Can the heldrake and the helfiend get marks?

There are no vehicle specific marks.

Ozomoto wrote:
Can the heldrake and the helfiend get marks?

No they just get to move around weapon options.

Ozomoto wrote:
Can the heldrake and the helfiend get marks?

No, vehicles can't get marks, end of story.

I am laughing at this ^

 lord_blackfang wrote:

ThatEdGuy wrote:
Can any model (or specifically just units from Codex: Daemons) deep strike off icons?

Nobody. There is only one teleport homer type thing in the Codex and it's a Chaos Artefact.


Breaking news: Obliterators Ld8, not Fearless.

IMO, even with the point decrease, they got a huge nerf. Which I guess makes perfect sense by GW's MO, everyone who wanted any already has a bunch so might as well nerf them ...

How many points is Ahriman, what ap is his staff, and does he have any specific powers only he can use?

no they didn't get nerfed because now you can take mark of nurgle and pop them up to t5

whoadirty wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

ThatEdGuy wrote:
Can any model (or specifically just units from Codex: Daemons) deep strike off icons?

Nobody. There is only one teleport homer type thing in the Codex and it's a Chaos Artefact.


Breaking news: Obliterators Ld8, not Fearless.

IMO, even with the point decrease, they got a huge nerf. Which I guess makes perfect sense by GW's MO, everyone who wanted any already has a bunch so might as well nerf them ...

For about the same price as the previous oblits you can get T5. Thats huge.

Ozomoto wrote:
How many points is Ahriman, what ap is his staff, and does he have any specific powers only he can use?

Two meltaguns less than before, AP4, no.

Ozomoto wrote:
How many points is Ahriman, what ap is his staff, and does he have any specific powers only he can use?

Staff is only ap 4, he doesn't appear to have any special powers, I don't think we can post exact points.