Aegis and cover saves

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**DeathReaper**

Verd_Warr wrote:
OK, so nothing but terrain density limit and some technicality about timing

And the fact that you can not put terrain within 3 inches of other terrain.

The ADL is terrain, as is the Hill, so you can not place an ADL on a hill.

**NecronLord3**

Bausk wrote:
If you deployed the ADL in a rectangle like formation, was standing next to it on one side, the enemy managed to get behind you (the opposite side where none of your unit was standng next to the ADL) and the ADL covered 25% of the model as described in the cover section then yes. They get a cover save from your fire warriors but not from the quadgun as you take the shoots from its height which should be enough to clear it most of the time unless they are too close.

Actually don't you draw LOS from the model shooting the gun?

**HawaiiMatt**

DeathReaper wrote:
Verd_Warr wrote:
OK, so nothing but terrain density limit and some technicality about timing

And the fact that you can not put terrain within 3 inches of other terrain.

The ADL is terrain, as is the Hill, so you can not place an ADL on a hill.

Huh, haven't seen that rule. I must of missed it. What page says no terrain within 3" of other terrain?

I might use the ADL to make a landing strip of clear space.

**DeathReaper**

P.120 Alternating terrain section, last sentence of number 3

**Bausk**

NecronLord3 wrote:
Bausk wrote:
If you deployed the ADL in a rectangle like formation, was standing next to it on one side, the enemy managed to get behind you (the opposite side where none of your unit was standng next to the ADL) and the ADL covered 25% of the model as described in the cover section then yes. They get a cover save from your fire warriors but not from the quadgun as you take the shoots from its height which should be enough to clear it most of the time unless they are too close.
Actually don't you draw LOS from the model shooting the gun?

The gun is a model in its own right and its the one doing the firing, its just using another models BS like another model can use telions.

**NecronLord3**

Bausk wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
Bausk wrote:
If you deployed the ADL in a rectangle like formation, was standing next to it on one side, the enemy managed to get behind you (the opposite side where none of your unit was standng next to the ADL) and the ADL covered 25% of the model as described in the cover section then yes. They get a cover save from your fire warriors but not from the quadgun as you take the shoots from its height which should be enough to clear it most of the time unless they are too close.
Actually don't you draw LOS from the model shooting the gun?

The gun is a model in its own right and its the one doing the firing, its just using another models BS like another model can use telions.

Where does it state that. The way I read it was that the model in base contact may shoot the gun emplacement instead of their own weapon. Which to me would use the firing model for LOS, not the gun emplacement.

**Bausk**

NecronLord3 wrote:
Bausk wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
Bausk wrote:
If you deployed the ADL in a rectangle like formation, was standing next to it on one side, the enemy managed to get behind you (the opposite side where none of your unit was standng next to the ADL) and the ADL covered 25% of the model as described in the cover section then yes. They get a cover save from your fire warriors but not from the quadgun as you take the shoots from its height which should be enough to clear it most of the time unless they are too close.
Actually don't you draw LOS from the model shooting the gun?

The gun is a model in its own right and its the one doing the firing, its just using another models BS like another model can use telions.
Where does it state that. The way I read it was that the model in base contact may shoot the gun emplacement instead of their own weapon. Which to me would use the firing model for LOS, not the gun emplacement.

I should have specified that its more the way I'd play it than any thing else, my bad.

It says the model may fire it instead of its own weapon, not that it replaces its own weapon with it. It does not change where the weapon is or that it has vital statistics (Toughness, wounds and a save). As its not specified either way I tend to agree the RAW is on your side, but its a bit odd (not something uncommon in the rules).

**NecronLord3**

I simply would like clarity on it as I can see it ruled either way. There was just a time that I considered manning my quad gun with a minimal squad of scarabs before I realized 2 things that A) they are BS 2 so what a waste of shots, and B) that when behind a ADL they can't see hardly anything!

**Bausk**

NecronLord3 wrote:
I simply would like clarity on it as I can see it ruled either way. There was just a time that I considered manning my quad gun with a minimal squad of scarabs before I realized 2 things that A) they are BS 2 so what a waste of shots, and B) that when behind a ADL they can't see hardly anything!

BS2 isn't bad on a quad, gets rerolls to hit after all. But yes the LoS issue is a bit much.

**NecronLord3**

Bausk wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
I simply would like clarity on it as I can see it ruled either way. There was just a time that I considered manning my quad gun with a minimal squad of scarabs before I realized 2 things that A) they are BS 2 so what a waste of shots, and B) that when behind a ADL they can't see hardly anything!

BS2 isn't bad on a quad, gets rerolls to hit after all. But yes the LoS issue is a bit much.

When an army has such pletiful access to BS4 it seems kinda idiotic. But then again this is also coming from a guy who has stop himself from manning the thing with a C'tan!

**don_mondo**

Bausk wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
I simply would like clarity on it as I can see it ruled either way. There was just a time that I considered manning my quad gun with a minimal squad of scarabs before I realized 2 things that A) they are BS 2 so what a waste of shots, and B) that when behind a ADL they can't see hardly anything!

BS2 isn't bad on a quad, gets rerolls to hit after all. But yes the LoS issue is a bit much.

Course, since it is a weapon emplacement and not and emplaced weapon, it doesn't get BS2. The Aegis weapons cannot be fired on their own.

**grendel083**

don_mondo wrote:
Bausk wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
I simply would like clarity on it as I can see it ruled either way. There was just a time that I considered manning my quad gun with a minimal squad of scarabs before I realized 2 things that A) they are BS 2 so what a waste of shots, and B) that when behind a ADL they can't see hardly anything!
BS2 isn't bad on a quad, gets rerolls to hit after all. But yes the LoS issue is a bit much.
Course, since it is a weapon emplacement and not and emplaced weapon, it doesn't get BS2. The Aegis weapons cannot be fired on their own.

It fires at BS2 because the model firing (scarabs) has BS2.

**don_mondo**

grendel083 wrote:
don_mondo wrote:
Bausk wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
I simply would like clarity on it as I can see it ruled either way. There was just a time that I considered manning my quad gun with a minimal squad of scarabs before I realized 2 things that A) they are BS 2 so what a waste of shots, and B) that when behind a ADL they can't see hardly anything!
BS2 isn't bad on a quad, gets rerolls to hit after all. But yes the LoS issue is a bit much.
Course, since it is a weapon emplacement and not and emplaced weapon, it doesn't get BS2. The Aegis weapons cannot be fired on their own.
It fires at BS2 because the model firing (scarabs) has BS2.

Ahhhhh, gotcha. That's actually fairly clever.

**Bausk**

don_mondo wrote:
grendel083 wrote:
don_mondo wrote:
Bausk wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
I simply would like clarity on it as I can see it ruled either way. There was just a time that I considered manning my quad gun with a minimal squad of scarabs before I realized 2 things that A) they are BS 2 so what a waste of shots, and B) that when behind a ADL they can't see hardly anything!
BS2 isn't bad on a quad, gets rerolls to hit after all. But yes the LoS issue is a bit much.
Course, since it is a weapon emplacement and not and emplaced weapon, it doesn't get BS2. The Aegis weapons cannot be fired on their own.
It fires at BS2 because the model firing (scarabs) has BS2.

Ahhhhh, gotcha. That's actually fairly clever.

As a wolf player I intend on using a left over wolf guard after I share out the rest of his pack to other packs. Unit of one model FTW, 18 point dedicated gunner.

**grendel083**

Same idea for the necron royal court.