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The best way to do flyer spam is using wraiths. You have a steady ground presence and at the same time retain a threatening amount of damage that can be dished out or hot. (Whatever you prefer)

Make sure your deathmarks are accompanied by a Despairtek. In my list I run 2 despairteks in a unit of 5 deathmarks. This combo is absolutely deadly and destroys the morale of my opponent. A deathball that seemed absolutely scary is just completely wiped out the table in one turn. Wound on a +2 is gross.

Imotekh is a good HQ but in order to use him effectively you need to build an army and a tactic around him. In the last major tournament, beakycon, the winning tournament list included Imotekh and mass flyers. So he definitely works with a flyer list.

I don't like running more than doom scythe due to its high point cost. The deathray is good at popping vehicles and spooky scary units like termies and even insta killing Hq's. The odds are that the deathray will kill a few amount of units and that the TL tesla destructor will due the brunt of the damage. Don't get me wrong the Death ray is spectacular but in order to use it optimally you need to plan a few turns ahead to get the results that you want. At least, thats how I run it lol.

If you like Night fighting I would keep Imotekh, he is at his best during the night. if you want to open a court and save points just get an Overlord with MSS and a Warscythe. Its pretty cost effective. Also, Nemesor Zandrekh is pretty bawler lol.

Give me your list and points and I can provide better C&C.

This is the necron list that won beakycon
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/10/15/tits-for-tournaments-beakycon-results-cheating-and-public-service-announcement/

Imotek

5 Deathmarks
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

Tombblade

Tombblade

Tombblade

Doomscythe

Doomscythe

Doomscythe

Tomblades are all seperate units to try and help me survive turn 1.

what would you change?

I know despair tecks are awesome but im not convinced paying for another lord to get a second one is worth it.. i may be wrong here though.
you are probably right about the doomscythes effectiveness
and i know if i had at least some ground troops my opponent wouldnt be so angry when i play him lol (mainly a khone assault army)

can i take 2 chronometrons fron different courts and put them with imotekh to give him 2 rerolls per phase?

Also I vs a few landraider regulary so id need something to kill them which was sorta the doomscythes job i guess.

I am infatuated with Annihilation Barges in my 2k list I plan on running 3 of them. AV 13 is really good and something definitely worth considering. Tesla from the annihilation is extremely reliable and effective at killing infantry. I would take out one doomscythe and substitute it for 2 annihilation barges.

I'm not really a fan of tomb blades. You could be using wraiths instead. Wraiths are one of the best fast attacks in the game. They are extremely good at soaking damage and act as a good distractions. If they survive enemy fire (which is very likely) they will put the hurt on the units they assault. They are also relatively good at locking units in combats.

If you want to play an assault army the best way to do this is to run wraithwing. This army revolves around a mix of flyers and wraiths lead by a destroyer lord.

I would run something along the lines of this.

HQ
Destroyer Lord MSS Sempiternal Weave
Necron Overlord MSS Warscythe

Troops
5 Warriors 1 HoS (Voltaic Staff) Night scythe

5 Warriors 1 HoS (Voltaic Staff) Night scythe

5 Warriors 1 HoS (Voltaic Staff) Night scythe

5 Warriors 1 HoS (Voltaic Staff) Night scythe

Fast Attack
6x wraiths 3x Whip Coils
6x wraith 3x Whips Coils

Heavy support
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Doom scythe

I don't know what the exact points are but this is the gist of the list.

The overlord mainly serves to open up a court.

The warriors and the voltaic staffs will own any vehicle regardless of the hull points. Hence, your anti vehicle unit. The night scythes superior mobility allows you to zoom forward and be in range of capturing objectives.

I think you will have alot of fun with this list but your opponents won't lol.




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Sinny! wrote:
Imotek

5 Deathmarks
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

Tombblade

Tombblade

Tombblade

Doomscythe

Doomscythe

Doomscythe

Tomblades are all seperate units to try and help me survive turn 1.

what would you change?

I know despair tecks are awesome but im not convinced paying for another lord to get a second one is worth it.. i may be wrong here though.
you are probably right about the doomscythes effectiveness
and i know if i had at least some ground troops my opponent wouldnt be so angry when i play him lol (mainly a khone assault army)

can i take 2 chronometrons fron different courts and put them with imotekh to give him 2 rerolls per phase?

Also I vs a few landraider regulary so id need something to kill them which was sorta the doomscythes job i guess.

Yes you can have two chronometrons from two different royal courts in the same group.

im guessing despair teks are really just made for dropping an opponents death star unit and then not much else?

I wouldn't recommend it but you can run a royal court full of lanceteks. In many ways, it would be similar to running a pseudo long fang group. It might be pretty good. Let me know if its works if you do try it out.

Not sure why players here dislike a royal court with lanceteks. These guys rock and are rather durable when mounted in a ghost ark.

It's not that a court of lanceteks are bad, It's just overkill to have more than two in a court.

 sounddemon wrote:


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I disagree with you about Annihilation Barges. While they are good, their role their weapons play is already filled by the Night Scythes (which also have a Twin-Lined Tesla Destructor). Doom Scythes, on the other hand, benefit from the Death Ray, allowing them to deal with high AV, armoured infantry, and multi-wound models. Additionally, bringing Doom Scythes over Annihilation Barges has the added benefit of target saturation. To put it simply, your average list will have some amount of anti infantry, some amount of anti tank, and some amount of anti-air. If you build a list that does not include one of those three types of units (in this case tanks), any points and slots spent on anti-tank units and wargear are effectively wasted. Additionally, by focusing entirely on Air, you limit your opponents ability to deal with all of your fliers, meaning that your air force is more survivable and better able to take control of the game. If you are going with 'Cron Air (although I personally prefer Monty Necron's Flying Circus) , the only reason I could see for one to take Annihilation Barges over a Doom Scythe would be if you were concered about surviving until your fliers arrive, but even then there are usually other options that can better fill that role.

Necrons have many advantages over the other factions but what necron units do you recommend when playing against necrons?

 Nakor The BlueRider wrote:
Necrons have many advantages over the other factions but what necron units do you recommend when playing against necrons?

Same technique as any other army. Massed firepower, focus fire on single units at a time where possible.

 sounddemon wrote:
It's not that a court of lanceteks are bad, It's just overkill to have more than two in a court.

Far from it. Most people simply think they should be used to destroy vehicles, but so many MC and TEQ have already kissed the dirt right below my GA.

So with a necron airforce Im thinking lanceteks arent the best compared to the ones with the haywire guns (forgot what they are called, dont have my codex on me

Also with my list that I just posted (bottom of page 9)
I realised I can drop the 3 doom scythes and imotekh in order to get 2 Overlords and 2 courts each with 1 harbinger of despair and 3 harbinger of the storm, and then 2 more warrior squads in nightscythes.

I know this doesnt boost my model count for turn 1 but it does make the deathmarks more useful and my whole army alot more killy.
It gives me the deathmarks to counter someones deathstar unit and 3 squads with 2 harbinger of the storm in each to combat landraiders which i vs oftem and really noone ever really fields more than 2-3 landraiders so i shouldnt need any more vehicle killingness than that i think.

Only downside to the change seems to be instead of flying around and not getting killed I will now have 4 units of 7 guys that will drop from their scythes to kill something but then get killed next turn in return.
Is that how I should look at these squads? like a suicide unit?

Sinny! wrote:
So with a necron airforce Im thinking lanceteks arent the best compared to the ones with the haywire guns (forgot what they are called, dont have my codex on me

Also with my list that I just posted (bottom of page 9)
I realised I can drop the 3 doom scythes and imotekh in order to get 2 Overlords and 2 courts each with 1 harbinger of despair and 3 harbinger of the storm, and then 2 more warrior squads in nightscythes.

I know this doesnt boost my model count for turn 1 but it does make the deathmarks more useful and my whole army alot more killy.
It gives me the deathmarks to counter someones deathstar unit and 3 squads with 2 harbinger of the storm in each to combat landraiders which i vs oftem and really noone ever really fields more than 2-3 landraiders so i shouldnt need any more vehicle killingness than that i think.

Only downside to the change seems to be instead of flying around and not getting killed I will now have 4 units of 7 guys that will drop from their scythes to kill something but then get killed next turn in return.
Is that how I should look at these squads? like a suicide unit?

I personally do not believe that the necron air list is a good one, and it is for the reason you stated, the typical squad size of troops is too low and therefore they are not durable enough once they have been placed on the table, not to mention they are easy to kill off with basic simple shooting, not to mention anything near them that has any skill in CC. I find air lists to be lacking of real balance. But hey to each his own.

Dave

my new list..

Overlord
Warscythe
Mindshakle Scarabs

1 Harbinger of Despair
3 Harbinger of the Storm

Overlord
Warscythe

1 Harbinger of Despair
3 Harbinger of the Storm

5 Deathmarks
Nightscythe

8 squads of 5 Warriors
all in Nightscythes

3 Tomb Blades,
(Seperate Units)

Thoughts compared to my old list?
2 Harbinger of storms + 5 Warriors should easily wreck a landraider or any other vehicle compared to
doomscythes which would theoretically only kill .25 of a landraider each but obviously have the ability to explode it.
Then I have the added bonus of the harbingers of despair plus 2 extra troops even though in theory 3 will be suicide squads
so I really only end up with 5 troops for scoring instead of 6

Looks fine you made your list your own. I would suggest running the tomb blades in 3's that way you don't give up easy kill points. Your list has alot of shooting potential but lacks in close combat. I would suggest adding wraiths somehow. Maybe taking a set of warriors and flyers to comprise. But overall it looks good.

You are likely to struggle with capturing objectives since a squad of 5 Warriors is extremely easy to get rid of, even with the Night Scythe's protection.

Anyway, it's just another flyer-spam list. *yawn*

Prey you don't meet a drop pod army with that list.

I am a barge fanboy for heavy support. Doom Scythes are good but you need to bring 2+ or don't bother.

Not sure how you're getting 8 squads of warriors...

Typo?

He is probably doing double force chart at 2k, that is my guess.

 Dave-c wrote:
He is probably doing double force chart at 2k, that is my guess.

Must be, I guess....It just reads like a single foc. *Shrug*

Sinny! wrote:
Imotek

5 Deathmarks
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

5 Warriors
Nightscythe

Tombblade

Tombblade

Tombblade

Doomscythe

Doomscythe

Doomscythe

Tomblades are all seperate units to try and help me survive turn 1.

what would you change?

I know despair tecks are awesome but im not convinced paying for another lord to get a second one is worth it.. i may be wrong here though.
you are probably right about the doomscythes effectiveness
and i know if i had at least some ground troops my opponent wouldnt be so angry when i play him lol (mainly a khone assault army)

can i take 2 chronometrons fron different courts and put them with imotekh to give him 2 rerolls per phase?

Also I vs a few landraider regulary so id need something to kill them which was sorta the doomscythes job i guess.

What would you have on the table to begin? Only thing I'd change is have a fully kitted out Overlord with his 2+3++MSS Gucci kit. next to Imotek to protect him?

Hey guys, looking for some help for my necron allies to my greyknights. What I came-up with was this:

Overlord, tacheon arrow
3 lanceteks, one solar pulse
1 stormtek
1 eternity with chronomotron

5 immortals and nightscythe

doom scythe.

So my grey knights have lots of anti infantry, a play strike spam so have about 80 strength 5 stormbolter shots a turn, what I lack is anti-tank and anti flyer.

The stormtek rides with the immortals, and use the haywire and gauss blasters to take out any tank on the board I don't like, with the night scythe and doom scythe (tesla) being the anti flyer, if not much then doom scythe brings its deah ray to bear on ground targets.

Chronomotron is there to help the tacheon arrow, and well, you all know how good lanceteks are.

My main point is how good are doom scythes these days and what is there main roll, I just saw the S10 AP1 line and thought amazing, but now I'm not to sure.

My ally detatchment is about 600 points (for a 2k list), anyone think I should change anything?

I love the doom scythes, get rid of marines fast, plus you have an autocannon that can produce more shots. I always bring one in my heavy slot.

You could run a CCB with the overlord. If you position your self well enough you can sweep a vehicle and then charge another. Warscythes are really good at popping vehicles.

Another anti vehicle tactic is running warriors + crypytek of the storm. in a night scythe. You disembark from a night scythe and with the HoS volatic staff and the gauss from the warriors glance a vehicle to death.

Nemesor Zandrekh can be pretty good comboed with your Grey Knights. You give your GK's tank hunters and your psycannons go to town on destroying vehicles. Also, giving your guys furious charge or counter attack makes them even stronger than they were initially thought to be.

Annihilation Barges and Night Scythes are relatively good and reliable anti air. Twin linked Tesla Destructors and the "Tesla" rule provide 2 additional hits. against fliers.

Tachyon arrow is pretty good but is extremely situational. I would only consider taking it on a destroyer lord for preferred enemy .

 sounddemon wrote:
You could run a CCB with the overlord. If you position your self well enough you can sweep a vehicle and then charge another. Warscythes are really good at popping vehicles.

Another anti vehicle tactic is running warriors + crypytek of the storm. in a night scythe. You disembark from a night scythe and with the HoS volatic staff and the gauss from the warriors glance a vehicle to death.

Nemesor Zandrekh can be pretty good comboed with your Grey Knights. You give your GK's tank hunters and your psycannons go to town on destroying vehicles. Also, giving your guys furious charge or counter attack makes them even stronger than they were initially thought to be.

Annihilation Barges and Night Scythes are relatively good and reliable anti air. Twin linked Tesla Destructors and the "Tesla" rule provide 2 additional hits. against fliers.

Tachyon arrow is pretty good but is extremely situational. I would only consider taking it on a destroyer lord for preferred enemy .

Is Zandrekh allowed to use his abilities on allies?

I already have the cryptek of storm + immortal in night scythe combo, it is pretty awsome

I don't think you can in hindsight. Necrons and Grey Knights are allies of convenience. They're considered to be enemy units.

The annihilation barge is hilarious at anti-air. Twin-link, and when you do hit that snap shot 6, you get 2 more free auto-hits! MUAHAHAHA

katfude wrote:
The annihilation barge is hilarious at anti-air. Twin-link, and when you do hit that snap shot 6, you get 2 more free auto-hits! MUAHAHAHA

Also great anti FMC. Shoot it with your AB's until it grounds itself, then hit it with lance teks to flush that turd.

I know this question is kind of list dependent, but with allies only being able to take 1 heavy, would you choose the annihilation barge or the doom scythe.

The barge seems so cheap for what you get, and that means more points to spend else where, but the doom scythe is awesome.

tuiman wrote:
I know this question is kind of list dependent, but with allies only being able to take 1 heavy, would you choose the annihilation barge or the doom scythe.

The barge seems so cheap for what you get, and that means more points to spend else where, but the doom scythe is awesome.

In reality this question is impossible to answer without knowing what the rest of what you have planned for the army. What it comes down to is what are you needing? You are essentially paying 85 points for the death ray and to be a flyer. In a regular necron list that is almost enough to buy a second barge to accompany the first.

The addition of the Annihilation Barges can only help an army. For 90 points your getting strong anti infantry and anti air capabilities. The barge for sure is a definite steal.